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Ronster said:

You can go on and on. Paintings are not 3D it's like saying make the Mona Lisa in 3D on my TV. It's also not going to move it's motionless.

 I dunno, I have a book of some of da Vinci's images in 3D. It's one of those cross-eye jobs which you look through a viewpiece to see, but it kind of works.

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Stereoscopic images are nothing new, it's been around a long time.

So perhaps it would work in some kind of really odd quirky way.. I would have to see it to make proper judgement on still Matte paintings from Star Wars converted into 3D.

But without any movement in them, it's a real stretch to my imagination of what that would be like on film. That last film that I recall using static 2D matte paintings was Grand Budapest Hotel and it was a joke not meant to be taken seriously which although the OT is a fun film I do think it's not joking when it is showing you an environment via a painting.

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I think that camera projection would work very well here on this for vertigo sensation.

If ypu take the Endor landing platform matte though, it is a bit silly here are a load of hand painted trees. In the next shot here are some real trees... Just fails no matter if you made it 3D or not but it works in more fantastical environs. But the Jabbas palace Matte is not too shabby. 

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Did I miss the part where Landis said a 3D OUT is coming?

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Speaking of Bespin, it would be cool if they added all the crazy stuff from the McQuarrie paintings for a future "ultimate" SE. As it stands, it's the only planet we see without any indiginous life whatsoever. Yavin IV at least had trees.

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TV's Frink said:

Did I miss the part where Landis said a 3D OUT is coming?

 No.. But you have missed the point that the last time the OT was planned for a re-release was the 3D conversion.

Even the Special Edition will not convert to 3D properly.

So what is left to release also considering screen Resolutions are increasing and the Special edition elements are obsolete at higher resolutions.

By power of deduction you are only left with one possible answer.

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Fang Zei said:

Speaking of Bespin, it would be cool if they added all the crazy stuff from the McQuarrie paintings for a future "ultimate" SE. As it stands, it's the only planet we see without any indiginous life whatsoever.

 How do you know Ughnauts aren't native?

I heard John Landis said they are.

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The 1997 SE or a modified form of it?

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towne32 said:

The 1997 SE or a modified form of it?

 nah the 2006 bonus disc

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I don't see how a bipedal humanoid species could be native to a gas giant.

Nevermind the original Marvel run....

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The Ugnaughts are supposed to be from the nearby Anoat system if I remember the old EU correctly. I always thought they were saying "The No-Add system" until I turned on the dvd subtitles.

Anyway, McQuarrie's floating islands of moss with their humanoid inhabitants flying around on thrantas is something I could see being added into the background of the Bespin arrival (before we actually see Cloud City) or just added editorially like they did with the cloud car that flies past Leia's room.

It was probably a stretch in '97 when all they could do was add the refinery, another McQuarrie concept, into the foreground of one of the shots. But now that we're in a post-Avatar world, showing the native lifeforms of Bespin would certainly be possible.

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Guys, Frink gets mad if you get off topic.  All you have to do is to imagine ending every post with "...according to John Landis."

If it still makes sense, you're good to post.

HTH.

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The problem is no one cares about 3D rereleases anymore. It was a fad that passed. People barely care about 3D movies. Disney started a policy in 2010 that every film they made from then on would be 3D. This year they had two (Cinderella, Tomorrowland) that were 2D. TFA is only 3D because it'll get Disney a couple extra bucks and JJ didn't mind either way. 

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DominicCobb said:

It was a fad that passed.

Yeah, but it took so painfully long to die this time around that they might be gearing up for its next revival already.  3D is the Rory Pond of technology.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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When did it die again? I hear this every other decade. ;)

The studios keep missing opportunities to promote 3-D better. The original Dracula is being shown in theaters this month. Universal could just as easily bring back Creature From The Black Lagoon, and it's sequel to show people how old school 3-D is done.

And I would probably suffer the SE's just one more time if they were shown theatrically in 3-D.

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Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

And I would probably suffer the SE's just one more time if they were shown theatrically in 3-D.

I think a lot of people would, which is why I'm convinced it will happen eventually.

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Ronster said:

TV's Frink said:

Did I miss the part where Landis said a 3D OUT is coming?

 No.. But you have missed the point that the last time the OT was planned for a re-release was the 3D conversion.

 According to John Landis, I did not.

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Darth Id said:

Guys, Frink gets mad if you get off topic on a subject he has no interest in.

 Fixed.

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moviefreakedmind said:

http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=1114372

Comment #44 in this forum is from a user claiming to work with a company that is supposed to be up-rezzing the Empire of Dreams documentary in HD. Although he does admit he doesn't have all the information... Very strange

 Why would they? That seems a little bit pointless to be uprezzing the documentary? Just put it on the disc as an SD extra, I can't imagine it's worth the time or the money to do work on a special feature.

Tobar said:

People in this thread are greatly underestimating the demand for OOT. When the digital release was announced the comment sections of various sites were filled with, "If it's not the original versions, I'm not buying!" as well as, "If you guys want to see the real deal google Harmy!" All from tons of people whose names I certainly didn't recognize from around these parts.

I haven't checked yet but I wouldn't be surprised if the same holds true for the comments sections for articles about this latest rumor.

 Maybe, but that's people like us. The fact that the Blu-ray boxed set shattered records suggests that for the vast majority of the population, it's not an issue.

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What would Disney have to gain from making more changes?

A 4K version of Star Wars, for one.  For >2K, they absolutely must go back to film elements, which means pre-2004.  Another good reason would be maintaining contractual obligations (i.e. with Reliance Media) that were agreed to prior to the Lucasfilm purchase.  They may try to make the result look like the 2011SE, or the 2004SE, but if they do, it will inevitably be somewhat different and therefore "more changes".  Heck, if they decide to actually go the OOT route, they may decide to port over some of the more subtle recomps from the SE, and that too would be yet another special edition.  There are SO many ways this can go wrong without someone at the helm who actually loves the films deeply.

 This. Even if, by some twisted miracle, Disney DOES decide to remaster the OOT, there are still God-knows how many questions to figure out: what color timing? What sound mix? Garbage mattes? There are still so, so, so many things they could mess up.

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I'd love to hear what Landis himself said verbatim, but it seems that Empire magazine interpreted his statement as being the original versions specifically.

Sure, but Landis is already not the first speaker in that game of telephone.  He heard it from Lucas.  Lucas may have said "the original trilogy--yes, John, THE original classic films that started the whole thing, back in 1977, with no changes at all to what I intended all those years ago".  A normal person could walk out of there thinking Star Wars was finally going to get a decent home video release and say that to the press without reservations, but in Lucas-speak, that just means a new 2016 Specialer Edition where Yoda is now CGI.

 I don't think for one second that Disney would allow more changes to the trilogy due to the backlash it gets every time it happens. I could see Disney sweeping it under the rug, continuing to release the 2011 SEs, and then never mentioning the OOT ever again, but adding even more changes I just can't see them doing.

 The backlash from 14 people on the Internet. 99.9999% of the population don't care at all, hence why it was the bestselling Blu-ray of all time when it came out and why it would break box office records in a heartbeat if a new version was released theatrically. People who care about the OOT are a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of the population.

What would Disney have to gain from making more changes? What could they possibly want to change? 

Nothing, perhaps, but why spend the tons of money and time on a restoration of a version with a tiny existing interested group of purchasers when the existing versions, for which they already have HD masters, are selling like heroine?

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Mike O said:

but why spend the tons of money and time on a restoration of a version with a tiny existing interested group of purchasers when the existing versions, for which they already have HD masters, are selling like heroine?

 If they ever want to release in 4K (and not just an upscale), they'll need to either release the 1997 version as-is, or spend money modifying them in some way. That could mean re-building something that resembles the 2011, the OOT, or both. 

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Mike O said:

Nothing, perhaps, but why spend the tons of money and time on a restoration of a version with a tiny existing interested group of purchasers when the existing versions, for which they already have HD masters, are selling like heroine?

 

This is disproven every time news crops up of a release. Everywhere news is reported the comments section of whatever article or video is bombarded by people demanding the OOT.

It's pure purchase fatigue. There is zero incentive for anyone that already owns the films to buy them YET AGAIN, unless they're the minority of collectors that has to have every release for their collection.

The reason every release up to now kept adding more changes was that George knew he could combat the fatigue with the promise of something new each time.

Now that he's out of the picture, the only thing they can do is the one thing they haven't yet and that's release a properly restored OOT. It's either that or tinker with the films themselves and I doubt they'd risk that as that would set off a firestorm with the TFNers and their worship of Lucas' "original vision."

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Tobar said:

It's either that or tinker with the films themselves and I doubt they'd risk that as that would set off a firestorm with the TFNers and their worship of Lucas' "original vision."

 I really enjoyed the day they found out Lucas's story treatment wouldn't be used for the ST.

"IT'S JUST GLORIFIED FAN FICTION!!!!"