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Mike O said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

I'd love to hear what Landis himself said verbatim, but it seems that Empire magazine interpreted his statement as being the original versions specifically.

Sure, but Landis is already not the first speaker in that game of telephone.  He heard it from Lucas.  Lucas may have said "the original trilogy--yes, John, THE original classic films that started the whole thing, back in 1977, with no changes at all to what I intended all those years ago".  A normal person could walk out of there thinking Star Wars was finally going to get a decent home video release and say that to the press without reservations, but in Lucas-speak, that just means a new 2016 Specialer Edition where Yoda is now CGI.

 I don't think for one second that Disney would allow more changes to the trilogy due to the backlash it gets every time it happens. I could see Disney sweeping it under the rug, continuing to release the 2011 SEs, and then never mentioning the OOT ever again, but adding even more changes I just can't see them doing.

 The backlash from 14 people on the Internet. 99.9999% of the population don't care at all, hence why it was the bestselling Blu-ray of all time when it came out and why it would break box office records in a heartbeat if a new version was released theatrically. People who care about the OOT are a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of the population.

What would Disney have to gain from making more changes? What could they possibly want to change? 

If Plagueis shows up in the ST, not only will I refuse to watch the movies, but I won't so much as watch the trailers, either. - DuracellEnergizer

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StarWars.com said:

Lucas, unlike us, was not content with the original final product, finding the puppetry and costumes stiff, unconvincing, and generally a far cry from the big band performance he wished it to be (something time did not allow).

 Very nice.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said: I could see Disney sweeping it under the rug and never mentioning the OOT ever again

On the front page of starwars.com: http://www.starwars.com/news/6-fascinating-behind-the-scenes-concepts-from-the-star-wars-trilogy-special-edition

 Nevermind then. Han shooting first is also on their list of the most debated Star Wars issues so I guess they don't plan to ignore the OOT out of existence. 

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Yet he saw these costumes and puppets being built and camera tests done with them at ILM. (Months before they were shipped to the set in England.)

George even suggested Sy Snootles be the singer. Star Wars To Jedi clearly shows this.

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darklordoftech said:

What would Disney have to gain from making more changes?

A 4K version of Star Wars, for one.  For >2K, they absolutely must go back to film elements, which means pre-2004.  Another good reason would be maintaining contractual obligations (i.e. with Reliance Media) that were agreed to prior to the Lucasfilm purchase.  They may try to make the result look like the 2011SE, or the 2004SE, but if they do, it will inevitably be somewhat different and therefore "more changes".  Heck, if they decide to actually go the OOT route, they may decide to port over some of the more subtle recomps from the SE, and that too would be yet another special edition.  There are SO many ways this can go wrong without someone at the helm who actually loves the films deeply.

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The average Star Wars fan is pretty uninformed, it seems: one of them just wrote that this restoration may be useful only to collectors, especially because the theatricals look "vintage" quality-wise. I had to recommend him Verta's previews to understand what can be actually done with a PROPER restoration :D

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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Anything over ten years old is "vintage" to some people. :/

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I thought the youths liked vintage now anyway. Turntables and sepia-murdered digital photos are cool, but film vintage is not to extend beyond the late 90's, I guess.

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Seems a little short sighted for EOD to have been shot in standard def in 2004.

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I thought the youths liked vintage now anyway. Turntables and sepia-murdered digital photos are cool, but film vintage is not to extend beyond the late 90's, I guess.

There's a reason why this current generation should be officially designated Generation S (No prizes awarded for guessing what "S" stands for.).

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SilverWook said:

Seems a little short sighted for EOD to have been shot in standard def in 2004.

 It's not the only documentary from that era to be shot in SD. Metallica: Some Kind of Monster was also shot this way. Probably just a status-quo type of thing.

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Or a penny pinching measure. You'd have to be in a cave to not know HD was going to be the new standard at the time.

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SilverWook said:

Or a penny pinching measure. You'd have to be in a cave to not know HD was going to be the new standard at the time.

Unless it had something to do with not wanting to restore the unaltered footage. 

Maybe the reason the footage is currently unavailable is because it is being restored at the moment. I don't know if that really makes sense at all but who knows at this point? Nothing regarding Lucasfilm's business practices makes any kind of sense.

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darklordoftech said:

Mike O said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

I'd love to hear what Landis himself said verbatim, but it seems that Empire magazine interpreted his statement as being the original versions specifically.

Sure, but Landis is already not the first speaker in that game of telephone.  He heard it from Lucas.  Lucas may have said "the original trilogy--yes, John, THE original classic films that started the whole thing, back in 1977, with no changes at all to what I intended all those years ago".  A normal person could walk out of there thinking Star Wars was finally going to get a decent home video release and say that to the press without reservations, but in Lucas-speak, that just means a new 2016 Specialer Edition where Yoda is now CGI.

 I don't think for one second that Disney would allow more changes to the trilogy due to the backlash it gets every time it happens. I could see Disney sweeping it under the rug, continuing to release the 2011 SEs, and then never mentioning the OOT ever again, but adding even more changes I just can't see them doing.

 The backlash from 14 people on the Internet. 99.9999% of the population don't care at all, hence why it was the bestselling Blu-ray of all time when it came out and why it would break box office records in a heartbeat if a new version was released theatrically. People who care about the OOT are a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of the population.

What would Disney have to gain from making more changes? What could they possibly want to change? 

I've stated at length why Disney wouldn't want to do this in the 4K thread. Now, why they might: canon.

That's the one thing that'd make them pause. Now that there's apparently a story group, there's certainly a question of which version they consider canon. Right now it's the SE. But with the OOT release likely impending, and with people like Rian Johnson being the main authors of the new continuity, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some conversations about changing that. But then what, the OOT is canon and the SE isn't anymore? Would they want to change their minds? Would that switch actually change anything, continuity-wise?

Probably not. But if the quandary really gets under their skin, we could see a new version. Ultimately, though, I think it's not worth the effort and most people will probably say "who cares" anyway.

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People in this thread are greatly underestimating the demand for OOT. When the digital release was announced the comment sections of various sites were filled with, "If it's not the original versions, I'm not buying!" as well as, "If you guys want to see the real deal google Harmy!" All from tons of people whose names I certainly didn't recognize from around these parts.

I haven't checked yet but I wouldn't be surprised if the same holds true for the comments sections for articles about this latest rumor.

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^Very true. 

Also ALL of my friends want the OOT. Without my influence I might add. The plight is pretty well known.

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I also think that it's important to add that there is NO controversy that would be brought about by releasing the OOT. Even fans who like the SE's probably would like to own a copy of the OOT. The only people who are actually opposed to the release of the OOT are a few losers on TFN. If both the SE and the OOT are released together then no significant amount of people are going to be angry at Disney, as opposed to the reaction they get when releasing the SE's on their own.

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moviefreakedmind said:

The only people who are actually opposed to the release of the OOT are a few losers on TFN. 

 True dat.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Is there some kind of official twitter account we can be harassing for comment on this or something? I feel like I should be doing something.

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Interesting to see them double down on the completely impossible nonsense  that the Jabba scene was shot with the intention of putting stop-motion over the actor.  

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Well, that chestnut about Jabba has been around since 1983, so you can't blame people for taking it at face value. ;)

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CatBus said:

darklordoftech said:

What would Disney have to gain from making more changes?

A 4K version of Star Wars, for one.  For >2K, they absolutely must go back to film elements, which means pre-2004.  Another good reason would be maintaining contractual obligations (i.e. with Reliance Media) that were agreed to prior to the Lucasfilm purchase.  They may try to make the result look like the 2011SE, or the 2004SE, but if they do, it will inevitably be somewhat different and therefore "more changes".  Heck, if they decide to actually go the OOT route, they may decide to port over some of the more subtle recomps from the SE, and that too would be yet another special edition.  There are SO many ways this can go wrong without someone at the helm who actually loves the films deeply.

In short, the work must continue. Frankly I don't think there's anybody this can be entrusted to who isn't already here.

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

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DominicCobb said:

I've stated at length why Disney wouldn't want to do this in the 4K thread. Now, why they might: canon.

That's the one thing that'd make them pause. Now that there's apparently a story group, there's certainly a question of which version they consider canon. Right now it's the SE. But with the OOT release likely impending, and with people like Rian Johnson being the main authors of the new continuity, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some conversations about changing that. But then what, the OOT is canon and the SE isn't anymore? Would they want to change their minds? Would that switch actually change anything, continuity-wise?

Probably not. But if the quandary really gets under their skin, we could see a new version. Ultimately, though, I think it's not worth the effort and most people will probably say "who cares" anyway.

 What's most likely happening is that the ST will be written so that either will work canon, making no mention of anything specific in the SE or OOT. Unless they make a Han shot first joke.