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Or if the Princess is rescuing the scoundrel.

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True.

So some monsters act as threshold guardians.  Other monsters are just... there.

The Sarlaac seems to be one of these.  It has only the purpose of representing a scary death.  I suppose a bottomless pit or a rock masher at the end of a conveyor belt would serve the same purpose.

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Sluggo said:

Pics or it didn't happen.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/16/8490c494-7a86-43bd-8058-e88dc923c5bd.jpg

A bottomless pit wouldn't be very effective on the scary scale.  I mean, what if it just led to a better place? (literally, rather than spiritually)

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TheBoost said:

 "Their territory" is a tricky concept if the Sandpeople are a nomadic people. "Dangerous areas" for settlers tends to mean places they haven't managed to kill off enough of the local nomads yet. I doubt there's a sign that says "NO TUSKENS" that the Sandpeople stop at. And since AOTC is 20 years before Star Wars I think it's a possibility that there were more Tuskens and less settlers, meaning more danger.

 

So Shmi was picking mushrooms, normally safe, but a group of Tusken Raiders picked that morning to go raiding (it's what they do) and she was unlucky enough to be caught. It's a risk people take settling in dangerous territory. No reason to assume she was 'dumb' at all or that it had to be dark.

Since Sand People, every time we see them do anything are in a state of active agression against the settled people of Tattooine, I don't see why its unlikely they would kidnap a settler if the oppurtunity arose. If they then beat/tortured/raped her (never made clear in the film) that plays right into their normal pattern.

Since 2 of the 3 times we see Sandpeople they are taking hostages, I disagree that they must lack the resources to take hostages. Instead I would say clearly they do have the resources, because they do it.

Nomadic people can claim ownership of lands with important things like wells on them. It comes up a few times in Lawrence of Arabia.

In the only other pre-SW story Marvel ever did, (and presumably with Lucasfilm's ok on it) Tuskens went on the attack as mineral prospectors accidentally poisoned a sacred well.

Based on the movies, the Tuskens seem to be in the hills/mountains and canyons. We don't see them out on the flat open desert where Luke is out daily fixing vaporators. At least not in the daytime.

I didn't say Shmi was dumb. She did a dumb thing because Lucas required it for her to die. In that instance, Tuskens were handy monsters.

I didn't say they didn't have the resources to take hostages, just that you don't waste them on someone you intend to kill. Put them to work for you, otherwise it's a waste of water. Why do I have the sudden urge to go watch Dune? ;)

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xhonzi said:

There seem to be 3 or 4 classifications:

Human or might as well be human Character:
Luke
Ackbar
Greedo
Twi'leks
Yoda

Alien, but still pretty human (maybe humans with learning disorders, or too much TV during development years)
Chewie
Ewoks
Sandpeople
Gamorreans

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I would put Chewie in the "might as well be human" category. He's like a frighteningly huge hairy biker with a bad attitude, who also happens to be good at fixing engines.

Ewoks are akin to a lost tribe of primitive humans hidden in a remote part of a South American rainforest - the Empire's presence on their planet being their first contact with the "modern" world.

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I think it's actually hard to put Chewie in either category.  I wrote that at the end of that post, once upong a time...  but for reasons I forgot I excised it before posting.

I see your point, but the growling thing, and the lack of clothes, I think, makes him more alien that some of the other aliens in the movie(s).

However, he is more human than the ewoks, etc.

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Yes, but he wins by feral argument.

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So now you're saying he doesn't belong in either the Human or Alien catagory?

*head scratch*

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No, did you look at the categories?  There were (among others)

Human or might as well be human Character

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Alien, but still pretty human

So you can be an alien in either category.  But your degree of humanity determines which of those two groups you might fall under.  Moth3r is arguing that he's human enough to be in the first, but I think you have to wear pants to be considered.  I put him in the 2nd category, but do think he's perhaps in a grey area between. 

I thought your chess example was an argument for #1.  But I'm not sure it's fair to say he "plays" chess when his opponents are told to let him win, so I counter with #2.

 

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So Donald Duck would be Alien, but still pretty human?

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I don't think a lack of pants is the only qualifier.

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Does Howard the Duck wear pants?  And does he wear the pants in this family?  And why isn't it just Howard Duck?

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Actual pants- no.

Proverbial pants- probably still no.

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Sluggo said:

And why isn't it just Howard Duck?

Because his last name isn't Duck.  Duh.

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xhonzi said:

Chewie is not "Might as well be human" because he doesn't wear pants.

Sluggo said:

So Donald Duck would be Alien, but still pretty human?

By my logic, I gues Anchorhead is Alien, but still pretty human as well.  ;)

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xhonzi said:

xhonzi said:

Chewie is not "Might as well be human" because he doesn't wear pants.

Sluggo said:

So Donald Duck would be Alien, but still pretty human?

By my logic, I gues Anchorhead is Alien, but still pretty human as well.  ;)

So you think Anchorhead is a pretty human?  I agree.

 

So what about threshold guardians?  It seems interesting that Anakin had to defeat some sand people to take those first steps towards the dark side.