- Time
- Post link
What do you think of that?
What do you think of that?
War does not make one great.
Modern Myths?
What do you think of that?
- Time
- Post link
- Time
- Post link
Thing is..we don't really need them so much anymore, at least the first part. I guess you could easily say that movies and TV have certain aspects that teach people something in some way. It's just that so little of them do anymore that technically, we have no modern myths on those fronts. It's all for pure entertainment. Not that I mind it because to be taught a lesson everytime a i watched a movie would get a little bit repetative I guess.
It kinda sucks that we will have so very few "moder myths" to pass on to history unlike the Greeks or Romans. No one is gonna remember this period in history for it's myths anyways. It'll all be about terrorism, war, Bush and general unrest in the world.
EDIT: YIYF is completely right tho....if much gets remembered, I think Star Wars will be the ultimate Good Vs. Evil myth of our time.
Hey look, a bear!
- Time
- Post link
But when I saw the topic I thought you were refering to "urban legend" myths, the sort of thing the Mythbusters did.
- Time
- Post link
Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
I've been reading Power of Myth by Campell and Moyers. Interesting stuff, especially about how Campell says we no longer have myths. However, in the novel (not the movie) Sphere, during a discussion of the Disney version of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, a character reflected that movies and television are our new myths.
What do you think of that?
I've been reading Power of Myth by Campell and Moyers. Interesting stuff, especially about how Campell says we no longer have myths. However, in the novel (not the movie) Sphere, during a discussion of the Disney version of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, a character reflected that movies and television are our new myths.
What do you think of that?
Are you referring to Joseph Campbell, who also wrote The Hero with a Thousand Faces? If so, his writings inspired George Lucas to write Star Wars as a modern heroic myth set in space. In fact, I think Campbell was quoted as saying that Lucas was one of his finest students. In Thousand Faces, Campbell contends that the heroic myth (and others) is something that has been repeated throughout history, and needs to be retold again and again for each new generation. He says that the symbolism and archetypes of these myths are somehow imbedded in our unconscious mind, which is why they continue to resonate.
One need only read a comic book to know that the modern myth lives on.
http://www.myspace.com/red_ajax
- Time
- Post link
Originally posted by: theredbaron
One need only read a comic book to know that the modern myth lives on.
Very good point.One need only read a comic book to know that the modern myth lives on.
BTW Ric, I have been to Nottingham and Sherwood Forest and all the museums and exhibitions and stuff, and Robin Hood did exist, but not in the way he is popularly portrayed. What I mean is there was a guy (probably not even called Robin) who the legend is very, very loosely based on, just like there was a King Arthur, but he didn't neccesarily kick it with a wizard called Merlin, and he probably didn't become King by pulling a sword from a Stone (but the Magna Carta, for example, is real. It's a really old document that sets out some laws (kinda like England's version of the constitution, but only dealing with certain issues rather than the entire law of the land - I've seen it).
War does not make one great.
- Time
- Post link
Or like that story of the piper who is asked to remove the rats of the town with his flute, but when the town dosent pay him he makes the children get out by the same way... That was based on a real incident, a tragedy that occurred lots of centuries ago, but no historian was able to decipher how did it happen, why did it happen, and if it happened like the story.
- Time
- Post link
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Yeah I know the Magna Carta's real, and that Arthur could have existed, and Robin Hood might have been based on one person or a group of persons, but that makes those myths.
Or like that story of the piper who is asked to remove the rats of the town with his flute, but when the town dosent pay him he makes the children get out by the same way... That was based on a real incident, a tragedy that occurred lots of centuries ago, but no historian was able to decipher how did it happen, why did it happen, and if it happened like the story.
Yeah I know the Magna Carta's real, and that Arthur could have existed, and Robin Hood might have been based on one person or a group of persons, but that makes those myths.
Or like that story of the piper who is asked to remove the rats of the town with his flute, but when the town dosent pay him he makes the children get out by the same way... That was based on a real incident, a tragedy that occurred lots of centuries ago, but no historian was able to decipher how did it happen, why did it happen, and if it happened like the story.
You mean, like, whether or not the flute/pan-pipe was involved?
http://www.myspace.com/red_ajax
- Time
- Post link
However, in the broader sense of the word, I have to agree that such figures as Arthur and Robin Hood, perhaps even the Pied Piper of Hamlin would fit.
I don't think you can consider TV or movies to be myth. Will people 500 years from now remember the tales of Jack Bauer?? Doubtful. But a story like Robin Hood has survived for a very long time (according to Wikipedia the first stories were compiled in the 16th and 17th centuries from ballads of earlier times).
- Time
- Post link
Originally posted by: theredbaron
You mean, like, whether or not the flute/pan-pipe was involved?
You mean, like, whether or not the flute/pan-pipe was involved?
No, I mean, if the pied piper even existed and what he did, if he actually captured the children and stuff.
- Time
- Post link
The star wars trilogy films
lord of the rings books, and the silmarlilion and hobbit by tolkien
the star trek series
the stories of neil gaiman
and of course most of the sci fi/fantasy books that are out there.
heck there is even mythology in shows like alias, lost and buffy the vampire slayer as well as smallville.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
- Time
- Post link
In the scene in Sphere, the characters were talking about 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. It was a story they were all familiar with, loved, and had in one way or another, influenced their lives. This is what I was talking about, more than the explicator or the just plain supernatural or even stories that conform to Campell's views on mythology and the monomyth. I would imagine that Monty Python and the Holy Grail has become mythological to a certain group of people who had grown up with it.
- Time
- Post link