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Missing Scenes which might have improved the saga.

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I'm not talking here about deleted material or even so much scripted or planned scenes that never got to be filmed.

What I'm waffling about are scenes that seemed to be suggested by what we saw but never got a mention in the films.

For example at the end of ROTS we see Obi-Wan bring Luke to Owen and Beru.

How did that scene play out?

In ANH Owen isn't just worried about Luke turning out like his father but is openly hostile to him doing anything more ambitious than staying and running the farm with him.

He seems to take a particular dislike to Ben and warns Luke away from him.

Luke knows about Ben and has probably met him as both of them know each other on sight so Luke may have been around on Ben's previous attempts to get to see Luke and begin his training which Owen will have nothing of.

Owen doesn't know Anakin that well personally but he must have heard enough from his stepmother to form some impression beyond the few days we know they spent together.

Beru doesn't seem as hostile towards Luke making more of his life or towards Ben.

A scene where Obi-Wan turns up with Luke and explains what happened to Anakin and where Owen puts the blame for Anakin's fall on the Jedi really should have been on screen.

The scene we have doesn't chime with what we know at all.

Look at the very similar scene in the first Harry Potter film.

Here the magical child is forced upon an unwilling family and it sets up the whole dynamic between them, Harry and the world of magic in general.

I don't think that Owen didn't want to look after Luke but I do think he had become hostile towards the people who took an apparently unselfish little boy from his mother and turned him into a child murdering / wife abusing monster.

It would also have shone a different light on how old Ben would later lie and manipulate Luke into the position where he may have to kill or be killed by his father.

The audience would then start to question if Owen had a point.

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How about the scene at the end of ANH that goes like this:

LUKE: Well Princess, that sure was a sweet Celebration ceremony!
LEIA: Thanks!  You didn't think the cardboard soldiers were too much?
LUKE: No, no... In fact, you can't even tell unless you're walking past them.
LEIA: Thanks, Luke.  You are too kind.
LUKE: Well!  I guess it's time to turn in.  Come on, Threepio and Artoo.  Let's go!
LEIA: Oh...
LUKE: Yes, Princess?
LEIA: Um... Luke?  Don't take this the wrong way...  I'm very grateful to you for rescuing me from the Death Star and then blowing it up...  but...
LUKE: Yes, Princess?
LEIA: Well... where are you taking my droids?
LUKE: Your droids?
LEIA: Yes, my father gave me those droids on my 12th birthday.
LUKE: Oh, I see.  My uncle bought me these droids right before he died and it's the only thing I have to remember him by...
LEIA: Luke, I understand.  I have very little to remember my father, my family or my planet by...
LUKE: ...
LEIA: ...
LUKE: How about I keep Artoo and you can have Threepio...
LEIA: That sounds fair.
LUKE: (until we're married, and then they'll both be ours!)
LEIA: What was that?
LUKE: Nothing.  Good night, Princess.

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i just always figured Owen was really Anakin's brother. they were brothers and had a big falling out and i guess Old Ben told Owen about what happened.

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Bingowings said:

A scene where Obi-Wan turns up with Luke and explains what happened to Anakin and where Owen puts the blame for Anakin's fall on the Jedi really should have been on screen.
The scene we have doesn't chime with what we know at all.

Bleah... backwards.  SW was correct, the other films didn't chime with IT.

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Yup.  Anakin should have had a scene where he tells Mrs. Skywalker that he is so thrilled to have a son, that he is going to give him his lightsaber when he was old enough to take care of it.

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Honestly, I want to see the scene where the Ewoks give Leia a new dress and braid her hair.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Bingowings said:

A scene where Obi-Wan turns up with Luke and explains what happened to Anakin and where Owen puts the blame for Anakin's fall on the Jedi really should have been on screen.
The scene we have doesn't chime with what we know at all.

Bleah... backwards.  SW was correct, the other films didn't chime with IT.

 That isn't a scene that's a entirely different set of films (not that I disassociate myself with that sentiment). In an ideal world Anakin would have been a young man who followed Obi-Wan on a damn fool idealistic crusade with tragic results but with the PT storyline we do have there is very little to base the attitude we see from Owen in ANH with the cheery sepia family snap shot we have at the end of ROTS.

I would have been in favor of retroactive surprises with the PT and perhaps finding that the Jedi and Obi-Wan was painting an incomplete picture of the past (which would have gone some way to explain the massive re-jigging in the story between ANH and ROTJ) but with so many years to sit back and plan those films the story is much more thrown together than anything we got in the OT.

George should have written all three films at the same time and worked all these things out before filming TPM.

We know he didn't have a plan for the OT but he had plenty of opportunity to do so with the PT.

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TheBoost said:

Honestly, I want to see the scene where the Ewoks give Leia a new dress and braid her hair.

 

the Lucas of today would certainly have included that.

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captainsolo said:

And Leia would have 50 costume and hair changes in 20 minutes.

I've never thought that's fair.

Is there ever a point where Amidala is changing clothes where it's not appropriate for a Galactic Senator/Queen? Palpy get's his fair share of outfits too.

And Leia seems to change clothes as much as reasonable for the stories she's in.

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TheBoost said:


Honestly, I want to see the scene where the Ewoks give Leia a new dress and braid her hair.


The dress was probably left there by the last 'guest' that the Ewoks cooked over a spit and ate. ;-)

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This'd require changing the story a bit in the prequels but, whatever I'm posting it.

 

Padme's being used as assasin bait in the other room. Obi-wan and, Anakin are talking.

ANAKIN

I haven't been sleeping well lately.

OBI-WAN

Why?

ANAKIN

Every time I sleep lately I get the feeling my Mom's in danger. I remember her being a slave all those years ago and, I wake up.

OBI-WAN

You shouldn't worry about her. Remember we freed her? She's at my fathers place and, she encouraged you to finish your training.

ANAKIN

I know she's supposed to be safe. It's just that, I have a bad feeling about this.

Outside Padme's window the assasin droid is there.

 

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So, yeah just something I thought about while reading this thread. The idea is that Owen's Obi-wan's brother. Anakin follows Obi-wan on the quest to become a jedi at the encouragement of his mom. Good or, bad?

 

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^ I thought something along the same lines only Shmoo opted to stay on Tatooine after getting freed by the Jedi and brought a farm rather than move to Coruscant and be a distraction to her son but your idea is much better.

It makes the Jedi out to be less of a bunch of crazy child stealing cultists.

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I think confused Matthew pointed out why couldn't Anakin's mother be freed after the final battle in episode 1? I mean the kid saved the day and who could honestly refuse a sweet little child's request not of money but to see his mommy no longer be a slave?

Oh, how about some of the events between episodes 1 and 2 so that we know why Anakin goes from being such a sweet happy child to an annoying whiny teenager who's upset about something? What happened? Why did he get so moody? He's like a totally different person, and it doesn't help that Hayden Christensen seems nothing like Jake Lloyd. (Lloyd is now the age of Anakin in episode II, he does not at all look like Hayden did in 2002) Nor does Hayden look at all like Mark Hamill.

So we have a character who is totally different from how we last remember him and we are given nothing to explain why. I thought he wanted to be a jedi. And why was Anakin so obsessive over Padme for those 10 years? Wouldn't it make more sense that he was just happy to see her again and as they went away to hide, he grew more attracted to her? I mean I think a 10 year old can have a crush on an older girl but not nearly as mature and adult as we are told it is in Clones.

Oh and what the hell do the Separatists want? Why can't the Republic just say "Fine, leave if you want." There's a couple of deleted scenes in Clones that I sort of liked. We see Padme suggest to the entire senate that someone tried to kill her likely due to her opinion of the military bill. I thought that builds intrigue and suspense.

We see more of Padme's house and learn a little bit more about her. This is just a little down to earth moment that could have helped us better connect with characters in a movie that is too detached and sterile.

Dooku captures Anakin and Padme and hints that he knows more about who is behind everything. Padme just says something like "you're a bad guy, I'll never join you because we can't split up the republic because... well because. Padme was idealistic about the republic in Episode 1 (she questions Shmi Skywalker "how can there be slavery, with the republic's anti-slavery laws?" then she sees the senate only able to set up a committee to investigate whether there actually is a Naboo invasion.) but maybe by this point in Clones, she might say "You know what Dooku, the Republic is broken. Maybe you're not so far off. I've lost my faith in it too. But why should I trust you?"

But instead of thinking about what would be the most intelligent response to gain a greater sense of what's happening, Padme just says no because the plot demands it. "Is that the script over there, yeah it says I am not supposed to let the republic fall ever."

So I guess I would have liked the prequels better if they weren't as confusing and Lucas was more consistent. At least with Phantom Menace I knew what Lucas was trying to do, hell Jar Jar is so hated but the idea of having a comedic character in an effort to appeal to people who have never really fit in with others in their life before is actually a pretty good idea. It just didn't turn out as intended.

But with Clones, I really don't know what Lucas wanted, it seems like he could not have a firm idea or direction he wanted to take the story.

Does any of my rambling make sense?

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It makes perfect sense to me.

What Dooku is claiming to represent is essentially what Padme ends up trying to start in the deleted scenes of ROTS anyway.

If she showed some sympathy towards him but he was over-ruled by the angry Geonosians (her boyfriend has chopped a number of them to pieces) and Nute who already has an axe to grind it would set up Anakin's worry that his wife has Separatist leanings and help push him to being paranoid about her too in the final reel of ROTS.