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i dont get how it will fix the plot holes since the show wont be about the main characters
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I can see how Clone Wars is considered EU since it was made by someone else, but isn't George heading up this new TV series, so wouldn't it be what you call G-level canon?

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My first thought after reading that interview is, that McCallum is a complete schmuck...If things had been done correctly on the conceptual level in the first place the prequels should have left very little in doubt for further explanation, everything should have fallen into place where there would be no need to have a dilluted spin-off to further explore issues that should have been explained in the first place...

The sad fact is I think it actually think it took more effort to fuck up the prequels, than to just being faithful and following the bits and pieces of backstory that already existed in the OT....instead there was some ungodly need to turn every bit of information into a deformed mutation of itself, with and even more bizarre explanation behind it.

Case and point:
It wasn't enough to have Anakin born on Tatooine and have a senario where he was inspired to go on some idealistic crusade (clone wars) with Kenobi...instead we have a plot where Anakin is turned into a 9 year old immaculate concepted slave boy with a high midichlorian count, who by chance creates 3PO in his spare time.. Obi-Wan never discovers him, and only trains Anakin in the first place because of an oath to his dying master, after Anakin is trained as a Jedi he falls in love with a human wardrobe malfunction called a Padme' and ingages in romatic dialogue that makes a Harrlequin novel look like romeo and Juliet, because of this love for Padme, and because his mother was killed by Sandpeople, he is quick to turn into a child serial killer for the chance of saving his wife, who by the way dies from the lost will to live after popping out twins...Kenobi then delivers baby Luke to a couple he's never met before, and rides off on an eeopie....


Lucas has fallen so far from his raw creative genius it's not even funny... For every prequel that was made, every new SE and every spinoff TV show, it further mocks, dismantles and blackmarks what were once three great films.....I have absolutely no faith in the TV show whatsoever, because Lucas is involved.....If some guys like Kirsh, Kasdan and Kurtz and even Hamill (who gets it BTW) were involved, I'd have some faith in a spinoff.......Kevin Smith , Lucas and McCallum don't do it for me.... asshats.
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Originally posted by: battlewars
i dont get how it will fix the plot holes since the show wont be about the main characters
lucas has said the live action series wll not deal with main characters, takes place between ep 3 and 4 though, the cg series will just deal with the clone wars. so how will it deal with all the major questions left unanswered in the PT?

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It wasn't enough to have Anakin born on Tatooine and have a senario where he was inspired to go on some idealistic crusade (clone wars) with Kenobi...instead we have a plot where Anakin is turned into a 9 year old immaculate concepted slave boy with a high midichlorian count

There's no evidence one way or the other that Anakin's conception was immaculate, or that the phrase even has any meaning in the Star Wars universe.

and because his mother was killed by Sandpeople, he is quick to turn into a child serial killer for the chance of saving his wife


Serial killers kill for personal satisfaction and have a waiting period between kills. That doesn't describe Anakin. If you want to characterize his kills as murder, he's a mass murderer. Even that's not entirely accurate, as he was taking orders from the legitimate head of the Republic and Jedi have never been shy about performing extrajudicial executions -- the killings were probably quite legally defensible. It's hard to tell for sure, but given the way the Jedi hack-and-slash anyone they choose, they probably have de jure broad authority to use force in the accomplishment of their missions.
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There's no evidence one way or the other that Anakin's conception was immaculate, or that the phrase even has any meaning in the Star Wars universe.


There's no evidence?

"SHMI
There was no father... I carried him, I gave him birth... I can't explain what happened. Can you help him?"

Implying that Anakin was concieved through the Force, with the destiny of "The Chosen One". this metaphorically refers to the biblical "Immaculate Conception" is this the first time you've heard Anakin's birth referred to as that?

and because his mother was killed by Sandpeople, he is quick to turn into a child serial killer for the chance of saving his wife

Serial killers kill for personal satisfaction and have a waiting period between kills. That doesn't describe Anakin. If you want to characterize his kills as murder, he's a mass murderer. Even that's not entirely accurate, as he was taking orders from the legitimate head of the Republic and Jedi have never been shy about performing extrajudicial executions -- the killings were probably quite legally defensible. It's hard to tell for sure, but given the way the Jedi hack-and-slash anyone they choose, they probably have de jure broad authority to use force in the accomplishment of their missions.


I don't think it really matters if I classified Anakin killing Children and others as him being a cerial killer or mass murder, I know what the difference is, it's pretty obvious what the point was..
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I can see how Clone Wars is considered EU since it was made by someone else, but isn't George heading up this new TV series, so wouldn't it be what you call G-level canon?


No. Anything outside of the six films is considered C-level. It doesan't matter if Lucas himself is involved or not. It is stiill considered EU. I mean, he wrote the story and executive produced the Ewok films and wrote the story for the holiday special, yet they are still considered EU. He advised the author and told him what to basically write about for Labyrinth of Evil, yet it is considered EU.
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Case and point:
It wasn't enough to have Anakin born on Tatooine and have a senario where he was inspired to go on some idealistic crusade (clone wars) with Kenobi...instead we have a plot where Anakin is turned into a 9 year old immaculate concepted slave boy with a high midichlorian count, who by chance creates 3PO in his spare time.. Obi-Wan never discovers him, and only trains Anakin in the first place because of an oath to his dying master, after Anakin is trained as a Jedi he falls in love with a human wardrobe malfunction called a Padme' and ingages in romatic dialogue that makes a Harrlequin novel look like romeo and Juliet, because of this love for Padme, and because his mother was killed by Sandpeople, he is quick to turn into a child serial killer for the chance of saving his wife, who by the way dies from the lost will to live after popping out twins...Kenobi then delivers baby Luke to a couple he's never met before, and rides off on an eeopie....


This baffles me too. It's like Lucas watched the OOT and said, "ok...it's obvious what has to happen in the prequels when you watch these movies, so everyone is assuming that this stuff is gonna happen. What I'm going to do is do the EXACT opposite and everyone will think it's great."

The story to the prequels should have been the easiest damn thing to write. That should have been the easiest thing to develop in the whole damn trilogy.

I just feel like Lucas played a really bad joke on us. Bad in quality most of all.

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"SHMI
There was no father... I carried him, I gave him birth... I can't explain what happened. Can you help him?"

Implying that Anakin was concieved through the Force, with the destiny of "The Chosen One". this metaphorically refers to the biblical "Immaculate Conception" is this the first time you've heard Anakin's birth referred to as that?

That has nothing to do with immaculate conception (which isn't Biblical; even the Catholic Encyclopedia admits, "No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture"). Perhaps immaculate conception doesn't mean what you think it means?

I don't think it really matters if I classified Anakin killing Children and others as him being a cerial killer or mass murder, I know what the difference is, it's pretty obvious what the point was..


If you knew what the difference was, why did you use the incorrect term? Again, I think you are using words without knowing what they mean. You shouldn't lecture other people about how "obvious" your points are if you use imprecise (or completely wrong) language in making them.
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Even if he pulled the unexpected Prequel story as he did, I personally and i am sure others would have no problem with that if the continuty issues the plot holes and inconsistencies that people bring up and i have noticed were addressed and not present in the films/saga

I hate when Prequel fans say you dont like the Prequels/Prequel story because Lucas didnt write it they you wanted it or expected it when i find BS it just wasnt executed good enough thats the problem IMO for me and others probably...
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Even if he pulled the unexpected Prequel story as he did, I personally and i am sure others would have no problem with that if the continuty issues the plot holes and inconsistencies that people bring up and i have noticed were addressed and not present in the films/saga

I hate when Prequel fans say you dont like the Prequels/Prequel story because Lucas didnt write it they you wanted it or expected it when i find BS it just wasnt executed good enough thats the problem IMO for me and others probably...


I generally don't have a problem with the way the Prequels were layed out storywise. I think it could have been better if Lucas had stuck to the the hints that were dropped in the OT about what happened in the PT, but such is life.

I have a problem with all the little stuff that was messed up: Anakin's and Obi-Wan's "friendship", the way Beru and Owen played into the story, the failure to show the beginnings of the Rebellion, Anakin's and Padme's romance.

Then there was the stuff that just came out of left field: Anakin creating C-3PO, the midiclorians, the conception by the force, the allusion that Palpatine created Anakin.

Then there are the major points: Anakin's turn to the dark side, Padme's whole role as Anakin was falling to the dark side, Padme's death, Boba Fett's origins, Palpatine's seizure of power, the Jedi being portrayed in a way that we don't really care when they are killed.

The basic story to the Prequels was okay at best....nothing really mind blowing to me, but when you throw all this other stuff into the mix, you hurt things a lot. If Lucas had dropped much of this stuff and gotten the rest right, the Prequels would actually be quite good.
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I saw something a while back that said Hamill might be involved, and make little cameo's from time to time, anyone else see the article?


Scruffy, the term "immaculate conception" has been used since TPM by many fans to describe Anakin's origin, if you don't like the term look elsewhere to bitch about it....I don't even remember what your other point was...move on bud.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Even if he pulled the unexpected Prequel story as he did, I personally and i am sure others would have no problem with that if the continuty issues the plot holes and inconsistencies that people bring up and i have noticed were addressed and not present in the films/saga

I hate when Prequel fans say you dont like the Prequels/Prequel story because Lucas didnt write it they you wanted it or expected it when i find BS it just wasnt executed good enough thats the problem IMO for me and others probably...


I generally don't have a problem with the way the Prequels were layed out storywise. I think it could have been better if Lucas had stuck to the the hints that were dropped in the OT about what happened in the PT, but such is life.

I have a problem with all the little stuff that was messed up: Anakin's and Obi-Wan's "friendship", the way Beru and Owen played into the story, the failure to show the beginnings of the Rebellion, Anakin's and Padme's romance.

Then there was the stuff that just came out of left field: Anakin creating C-3PO, the midiclorians, the conception by the force, the allusion that Palpatine created Anakin.

Then there are the major points: Anakin's turn to the dark side, Padme's whole role as Anakin was falling to the dark side, Padme's death, Boba Fett's origins, Palpatine's seizure of power, the Jedi being portrayed in a way that we don't really care when they are killed.

The basic story to the Prequels was okay at best....nothing really mind blowing to me, but when you throw all this other stuff into the mix, you hurt things a lot. If Lucas had dropped much of this stuff and gotten the rest right, the Prequels would actually be quite good.



Agreed, this what i meant partly by execution C3p0 should have been introduced if he was that necessary without a possible plot hole/continuty issue arising rather than Anakin building him etc and showing us stuff we heard about in the O.T and P.T and more important stuff like Anakin and Kenobi friendship instead of wasting time on Jar Jar and a Droid Factory etc
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Sometimes I do wonder what his issue is with continuity and plot elements. I mean, he cut the scene showing the beginning of the rebellion because he claims it "wasn't really important to the stroy." What... the hell? Filming that scene was one of the best decisions he made in tying the two trilogies together. Yet what does he do? He cuts it.

And then the Yoda arriving on Dagobah scne. He cuts it because "we already know where he goes." What? No we don't. Not if we are seeing things for the first time.
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Originally posted by: Tim Lehrbach
I saw something a while back that said Hamill might be involved, and make little cameo's from time to time, anyone else see the article?



I highly doubt it. Any kind of cameo would require him to be in make up or something because he would instantly be recognized as Luke Skywalker (abit older). He might do some voices of some masked characters since he is, after all, a wonderful voice actor.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Sometimes I do wonder what his issue is with continuity and plot elements. I mean, he cut the scene showing the beginning of the rebellion because he claims it "wasn't really important to the stroy." What... the hell? Filming that scene was one of the best decisions he made in tying the two trilogies together. Yet what does he do? He cuts it.

And then the Yoda arriving on Dagobah scne. He cuts it because "we already know where he goes." What? No we don't. Not if we are seeing things for the first time.


Wasn't there a debate a month or so ago on this board about these two scenes getting cut? I agree that they damn well should be in there...especially the Rebellion scene. That was way too important of a development to be left on the cutting room floor.
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If that's a concession, Tim, I accept it and encourage you to go and sin no more. Remember, kids: The immaculate conception was the miracle in which, by the grace of God, Mary was conceived without the stain of Adam's original sin. The Virgin Birth was the miracle in which the Holy Spirit quickened Jesus in Mary's womb without the usual generative act. These doctrines are ancient, and their meaning doesn't change just because some drooling TPM fans over on TF.net or overpaid publicists playing film critic get them confused.

Lucas was aiming for a Virgin Birth scenario, what with Anakin having no father and being the Chosen One (i.e. "annointed one," literally "Messiah" or "Christ"). An Immaculate Conception makes no sense, because there is no JudeoChristian God (that we know of) in the Star Wars universe, and there is no reason to believe that Star Wars humans are descended from Adam, one of that God's creatures. Even if the idea of an immaculate conception did exist in the Star Wars universe, in a more general sense, Anakin's conception certainly wasn't without some original sin -- he was created by Sith magic, which is about as sinful as you can get. So while the Immaculate Conception theory had some small hope of life before 2005, RotS blew it out of the water. The idea should be discarded like the nonsensical speculation it was.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Sometimes I do wonder what his issue is with continuity and plot elements. I mean, he cut the scene showing the beginning of the rebellion because he claims it "wasn't really important to the stroy." What... the hell? Filming that scene was one of the best decisions he made in tying the two trilogies together. Yet what does he do? He cuts it.

And then the Yoda arriving on Dagobah scne. He cuts it because "we already know where he goes." What? No we don't. Not if we are seeing things for the first time.


Wasn't there a debate a month or so ago on this board about these two scenes getting cut? I agree that they damn well should be in there...especially the Rebellion scene. That was way too important of a development to be left on the cutting room floor.


I do wonder if his decision to cut those scenes and then not edit them into the movie for the DVD was merely a marketing plan so that he could sell his "revised special edition DVD" of ROTS sometime in the future, as Rick McCallum called it.
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: Tim Lehrbach
I saw something a while back that said Hamill might be involved, and make little cameo's from time to time, anyone else see the article?


I highly doubt it. Any kind of cameo would require him to be in make up or something because he would instantly be recognized as Luke Skywalker (abit older). He might do some voices of some masked characters since he is, after all, a wonderful voice actor.


That's what I assumed, Hamill would make a "cameo" as some alien, he probably could get away with being a rebel or Imperial in costume or something of that nature...on the order of what Burtt, Lucas, McCallum and others did in the prequels....I'll try to find the article again.

BTW Mark does a pretty good Yoda impersonation.
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Originally posted by: Tim Lehrbach

BTW Mark does a pretty good Yoda impersonation.


HA! Yes. Yes he does!
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I do wonder if his decision to cut those scenes and then not edit them into the movie for the DVD was merely a marketing plan so that he could sell his "revised special edition DVD" of ROTS sometime in the future, as Rick McCallum called it.

Anything those people do at LFL is suspect.......they constantly find ways to make themselves look like greedy, money-loving bloodsuckers.
If you doubt me....go to the video store and see the latest "release" of the OT.

Lucas was aiming for a Virgin Birth scenario, what with Anakin having no father and being the Chosen One (i.e. "annointed one," literally "Messiah" or "Christ"). An Immaculate Conception makes no sense, because there is no JudeoChristian God (that we know of) in the Star Wars universe, and there is no reason to believe that Star Wars humans are descended from Adam, one of that God's creatures. Even if the idea of an immaculate conception did exist in the Star Wars universe, in a more general sense, Anakin's conception certainly wasn't without some original sin -- he was created by Sith magic, which is about as sinful as you can get. So while the Immaculate Conception theory had some small hope of life before 2005, RotS blew it out of the water. The idea should be discarded like the nonsensical speculation it was.


I never looked at it that way....the JudeoChristian thing and how it doesn't really work in the SW universe. But you are right about ROTS blowing it out of the water. I never liked the whole "immaculate conception" idea from TPM anyway. Thought it was incredibly hokey.

On another note.....I've heard that whole JudeoChristian Messiah stuff attached to the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeve. That always rubbed my the wrong way too. Superman being portrayed as some sort of messiah is kinda silly. I think the whole messiah, savior thing is silly. Like one being can save all of us from evil or whatever......rolls eyes.
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Originally posted by: Scruffy

Lucas was aiming for a Virgin Birth scenario, what with Anakin having no father and being the Chosen One (i.e. "annointed one," literally "Messiah" or "Christ"). An Immaculate Conception makes no sense, because there is no JudeoChristian God (that we know of) in the Star Wars universe, and there is no reason to believe that Star Wars humans are descended from Adam, one of that God's creatures. Even if the idea of an immaculate conception did exist in the Star Wars universe, in a more general sense, Anakin's conception certainly wasn't without some original sin -- he was created by Sith magic, which is about as sinful as you can get. So while the Immaculate Conception theory had some small hope of life before 2005, RotS blew it out of the water. The idea should be discarded like the nonsensical speculation it was.



I make no concession over this topic, I simply understand the term is being used as reference, and understand it as a loose reference....so fucking what?

God=Force Mary=Shmi Jesus=Anakin, nobody said anything about it making complete literal sense, obviously Anakin isn't literally modeled after Jesus, and Star Wars characters aren't literally decended from humans...and Midichlorians aren't literally a Judeo Christian God....

If you're religious, I suppose you might be offended with this tag, placed on a Star Wars character, however i'm not, and I'd say you're putting way too much into this....

I haven't read the ROTS novel so I really don't know if Palpatine is telling the truth about Plaguis creating life, and if he was telling the truth, it would be assuming things to say he created Anakin ....I'd say the dialogue was placed in there to add impact to the tale that he could cheat death and extend it.
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle

Im drained of it all and couldnt care anymore, good old George can release 50 special editions for all i care.....


That's exactly how I feel also. There's the original versions only, in my world. I already have the only versions I'll ever watch.
Lucas is just becoming some sort of Orson Wells-type eccentric. He'll be remembered for the altering - not the actual films.

Go get 'em George. I think you should release 6 new versions every year. "Hey, which version of Star Wars do you have?...I have Star Wars 7.2 - service pack 3."



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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: Mr Bungle

Im drained of it all and couldnt care anymore, good old George can release 50 special editions for all i care.....


That's exactly how I feel also. There's the original versions only, in my world. I already have the only versions I'll ever watch.
Lucas is just becoming some sort of Orson Wells-type eccentric. He'll be remembered for the altering - not the actual films.

Go get 'em George. I think you should release 6 new versions every year. "Hey, which version of Star Wars do you have?...I have Star Wars 7.2 - service pack 3."


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