Mark Hamill endorses Barack Obama....

Mark Hamill endorses Barack Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cvxPvvjp1U&feature=rec-fresh

I guess not too surprising considering that he campaigned for George McGovern.

Because SO many people care what Mark Hamill has to say about politics. :P

So brilliant? So intelligent? So measured? Has exibited exhibited such great judgement? Hah.

From what I've seen the guy's pretty dumb, politically extreme, and has made some really poor judgements over the course of his life and in the campaign. He's not different from other politicians. To me he actually seems more like a well-spoken version of George W. Bush except for the fact that he's surrounded himself with people just as dumb as he is (at least Bush picked smart dudes to back him up).

zombie84 said:

Tiptup said:

at least Bush picked smart dudes to back him up).

 

I would strongly disagree with that. Perhaps better spoken than him, but thats no accomplishment when you have the diction of a ten year old.

I was thinking more in terms of running a good campaign. You can easily argue that his advisors weren't as smart when it came to other, real issues (such as some involving "the war" . . . as well as others), but in general they've struck me as being very intelligent in their maneuvering (even when I've strongly disagreed).

Who anybody supports in hollywood will not sway my vote.

I could not care less who the looney libs want for president.

I can be a fan or mr lucas and mr hamill and still think they are nuts to support barack.

I hope that the time has not come when we will hand the country over to the subversives or the communists and socialists.

my two great uncles who died fighting in world war II would not want that to happen to america and neither would my recently passed grandfather who also faught in ww2.

Mielr said:

I guess not too surprising considering that he campaigned for George McGovern.

Then let us hope Obama's campaign is as sucessful as McGovern's.

Here are some more clips from that day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMXUvCd103Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG1cOVKf03E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pby9uEXkrf8

Some of his comments kind of tick me off.

"His base is the young people"

Yeah, all the people that didn't live through Carter and don't know any history.  Ask anybody that lived through Carter about Barack Obama and they'll all tell you the same thing, he's another Carter and this country doesn't need 4 more years of Carter.  There's a reason the conservative talk shows all refer to him as Carter 2.  Everything Obama wants to do, Carter already tried, with disastrous results.  You guys want to know how Carter got elected?  The people wanted change and Carter was a Democrat.  Ford was the sitting Republican President that pardoned Nixon and the people wanted something different.

4 years later, Reagan won in a landslide.

Change is fine, but Obama is the wrong kind of change.

If Obama wins, we may in fact witness history repeat itself.  4 years of shit, to be followed by a landslide win of the most conservative president we've had since Reagan.  I only hope Obama doesn't win.

What's even funnier is all these guys that were in their 20s when Carter was elected.  They probably weren't paying attention to anything that was really going on at the time or they were high on drugs.  Either way, even they don't remember the shit this country went through.  It seems that only people in their 30s and 40s at the time are the ones that really remember how bad it was.

sean wookie said:

The drug war costs too much money and people are doing hard time in prison for things that should be a small fine at the most if not legal.

I agree with you, but Obama won't fix that.

Also, in your mind, is there a party that is against "rights for everyone"?

lordjedi said:

"His base is the young people"

Yeah, all the people that didn't live through Carter and don't know any history.  Ask anybody that lived through Carter about Barack Obama and they'll all tell you the same thing, he's another Carter and this country doesn't need 4 more years of Carter.  There's a reason the conservative talk shows all refer to him as Carter 2.  Everything Obama wants to do, Carter already tried, with disastrous results.  You guys want to know how Carter got elected?  The people wanted change and Carter was a Democrat.  Ford was the sitting Republican President that pardoned Nixon and the people wanted something different.

4 years later, Reagan won in a landslide.

Change is fine, but Obama is the wrong kind of change.

If Obama wins, we may in fact witness history repeat itself.  4 years of shit, to be followed by a landslide win of the most conservative president we've had since Reagan.  I only hope Obama doesn't win.

What's even funnier is all these guys that were in their 20s when Carter was elected.  They probably weren't paying attention to anything that was really going on at the time or they were high on drugs.  Either way, even they don't remember the shit this country went through.  It seems that only people in their 30s and 40s at the time are the ones that really remember how bad it was.

I was very young when Carter was president, but I do remember some of his disastrous administration.  Some damage was undone (hostages), and some damage still remains (Iran, Panama Canal, Airline de-regulation....yes you can thank Jimmy Carter for our f**ked-up Airlines). But things will be much worse, I fear, if Obama is elected. Whatever taxes he raises can be cut by the next president, but if he brings in socialized health-care, that will NEVER go away. Our great-grandchildren will be stuck with that. I dread the day when I have to wait 4 months for an MRI, or the day that my Mom is told she's too old to have one.

McCain better get his ass in gear. I don't think this country can endure another four years of Jimmy Carter #2.

sean wookie, if you want to keep the gov't out of your life, then you should be a Libertarian or a Conservative. Democrats definitely don't want to keep the gov't out of your life!

Does anyone here have thoughts on this Ron Paul guy? One of my pals says he's going to vote for him, but I haven't looked into his views in detail yet myself.

I think Ron Paul dropped out of the race. I think Bob Barr is running as an Independent, though. 

I hear Ireland has the best economy in Western Europe now. Maybe I should start packing..... we'll see how the election turns out. ;-)

Sláinte!

sean wookie said:

I am kind of a reluctant supporter of Obama but all I want is rights for everyone and legalized drugs. The drug war costs too much money and people are doing hard time in prison for things that should be a small fine at the most if not legal. Both parties piss me off. Why does the goverment care that I smoke pot? I want the goverment out of my life, out of my words, out of my garden, out of my guns, out of marriges, out of my internet, out of my air waves, and out of my stash. I renounce my status as a Democrat and am creating the "Get The Goverments Dick Out Of My Ass Party" Also Iran and Vaginas are a bad place to go too.

You want all those things and you're a reluctant Obama supporter?  WTH?!  If you really want all that stuff and neither major candidate offers it, you either go with the one that offers the most "out of your life" or you go with the Libertarian candidate (or even Ron Paul).

If you think Obama is going to get the government out of your life, just go read what he plans to do as President.  One of his latest policy outlines is requiring community service in order to graduate high school and college.  I think kids getting involved in their communities is a great idea, but it definitely should not be a requirement and it definitely isn't something the government should be requiring.  Leave it up to the parents, students, and schools.

STAY OUT OF MY LIFE!

WXM said:

Does anyone here have thoughts on this Ron Paul guy? One of my pals says he's going to vote for him, but I haven't looked into his views in detail yet myself.

He ran as a Libertarian in the last election.  He's now running as a Republican, but his chances are slim to none.  Every Ron Paul supporter seems to think he's some great saviour.  Oh, he's going to kill corporate involvment in government.  He's going to get us out of Iraq.  He's going to lower taxes.  Yada, yada, yada.  What people don't realize is that Ron Paul is a true blue Libertarian.  So if he did get elected, sure, he wouldn't take corporate money, but you can bet your ass that he also wouldn't put any regulations in that hamper business.  If people think corporations are evil right now, wait until you live in a world with Ron Paul as President.  He'd remove most taxes and remove all kinds of regulation.  The free market would be truly free and I bet people would hate it.  Conservatives would love it.  In fact, if it weren't for his stance on Iraq, I'd support him.

Mark's "Star Wars geek" comment was a tad harsh, I thought.

lordjedi said:

Yada, yada, yada. What people don't realize is that Ron Paul is a true blue Libertarian. So if he did get elected, sure, he wouldn't take corporate money, but you can bet your ass that he also wouldn't put any regulations in that hamper business. If people think corporations are evil right now, wait until you live in a world with Ron Paul as President. He'd remove most taxes and remove all kinds of regulation. The free market would be truly free and I bet people would hate it. Conservatives would love it. In fact, if it weren't for his stance on Iraq, I'd support him.

Oh. Well, if I smoked weed then I might just be be doing as sean wookie is on voting day I think. Ugh. The one set of people I wish could be made president and vice next term is Bush and Cheney. I would sincerely like to see them in the white house for another four years to deal with the big fallout from what they've caused that's very likely on its way (to me it's mostly about the debt -- I am very anti-big-debt -- as Mister Mackey would say, "Debt is baaad, m'kay?":)). As it is now, the next president is going to have almost no choice but to raise taxes to do something about the debt, and that president, whoever they are, is going to get hammered for that, which I don't think is fair (while Bush and Cheney will be retiring on some pretty big nesteggs/gifts I imagine). I am actually surprised anyone wants to step into that post right now; I can't think of anything more thankless than to become US President in 2009. Anything they do to try to address most big problems will make them f**king hated and despised by huge numbers of Americans I imagine. What a terrible situation to put ones self into, isn't it?

I wonder if this means that the gay community is backing Obama, or just Hamill himself?

zombie84 said:

Johnboy3434 said:

lordjedi said:

ne of his latest policy outlines is requiring community service in order to graduate high school and college.

 

The bastard. Why doesn't anyone realize that by making people help the community, you only inspire resentment towards the community? Think of it this way: would you live in an apartment building where you not only have to pay rent, but also wash your landlord's feet everyday? Would that endear him to you? No! You'd high-tail it out of there as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, in this case the entire country is an apartment building, meaning the only way to escape it is to jump the border and get a degree in Mexico or something. Who here wants our kids doing things like that?

 

Here in Canada this is mandatory and it hasn't stemyed our charity programs. I think its a good thing; kids ought to help out and learn the responsibility, even if they resent it, and its a good source of labor for charity. How many teenagers like work anyway?

I volunteered plenty during high school and I still do it from time to time today.  The point is that no one but the parents should be forcing kids to volunteer (it's not really volunteering once it becomes a requirement anyway).  Did I do 50 hours of service (Obama's plan)?  I have no idea.  I did a lot and I enjoyed helping people out.  People are usually more than willing to help each other out if they aren't forced to do it by someone else.  I even did plenty of volunteer work for ACS and CHOC a few years back.  I loved every minute of it.

I have no doubt that it won't stimy the charity programs.  I'm sure they'll grow and thrive.  Afterall, since the government will be forcing the students to do it in order to graduate, they'll suddenly have an influx of students to help with all the work.  The question then becomes, will the students continue to volunteer once they've graduated and completed the "requirement"?  Something tells me you'll end up with the same percentage that would've done it regardless.

Of course, I think Obama is only requiring the "community service" if the students want the government money to put them through school.  How about we cut government subsidized education instead of increasing the subsidies?

WXM said:

Oh. Well, if I smoked weed then I might just be be doing as sean wookie is on voting day I think. Ugh. The one set of people I wish could be made president and vice next term is Bush and Cheney. I would sincerely like to see them in the white house for another four years to deal with the big fallout from what they've caused that's very likely on its way (to me it's mostly about the debt -- I am very anti-big-debt -- as Mister Mackey would say, "Debt is baaad, m'kay?":)). As it is now, the next president is going to have almost no choice but to raise taxes to do something about the debt, and that president, whoever they are, is going to get hammered for that, which I don't think is fair (while Bush and Cheney will be retiring on some pretty big nesteggs/gifts I imagine). I am actually surprised anyone wants to step into that post right now; I can't think of anything more thankless than to become US President in 2009. Anything they do to try to address most big problems will make them f**king hated and despised by huge numbers of Americans I imagine. What a terrible situation to put ones self into, isn't it?

That depends.  Reagan seemed to have no problem running against Carter.  He even won in a landslide (lost only Washington state if I remember).  He started cutting taxes and reigning in the government.  By the end of his term, the economy was starting to get better.  By the end of his second term, things were looking much better.

Carter got in because the people were sick of the current party.  It didn't matter who was running, they just wanted the opposite.  Unfortunately, they paid so little attention that the guy they hoped would fix everything ended up making things worse.  Of course it didn't help that Ford pardoned Nixon.  In the American People's eyes, Nixon was a crook that should've sat in jail.

sean wookie said:

 

Who ever gets elected next term will be hated because they will deal with this administrations problems poorly and someone from the opposite party will get elected the next term.

You've been doing your homework :)  We can be almost assured that not only will someone of the opposite party get elected, but it'll probably be a repeat of the Reagan years.  Tax cuts, government cuts, etc, etc.