Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal — Page 9

ok,

nows a good time to revive this..

forget dealing with theoretical numbers and such..

no, its not star wars, or a new hope..

but lets all try to concentrate our efforts here

on the 35mm version of 'the empire strikes back'

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/35mm--empire-strikes-back/topic/9497/

it has begun....

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i want to bring this back up,

because at some point this might become a reality..

has anyone thought about this, and what can we do?

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1) how will the HD versions of the OT be distributed?

2) how do we keep it anonymous?

3) how do we restrict the copy to only people that want it?

4) can we keep it off torrent, filesharing sites?

5) how do we make all the discussion about these topics disappear

once its done, and that way it won't be archived by google?

6) how do we keep any of the information about it, or the people

involved disappear also? [AND NO, I DONT MEAN MAKE THE PEOPLE DISAPPEAR, ha ha]

i'm very serious about this, because we might be facing these issues

in the near future, and i want to be prepared..

please discuss these thoroughly, and bring up other issues,

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1) if you're thinking we need to move to a private board,

that is definitely going to take place, i'll let you know when it

happens

2) if you're thinking it will be a private release thats fine... but

how do you stop people from leaking copies to the net?

of course, all of this is to avoid 'imperial entanglements'...

so lets start talking about it .. for now..

(and of course,  this discussion will disappear also, once we get some

ideas)...

later

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I like to keep my site off Google because of the amount of random junk stashed in deep links that I don't want to be randomly found.  robots.txt ftw.

Molly said:

I like to keep my site off Google because of the amount of random junk stashed in deep links that I don't want to be randomly found.  robots.txt ftw.

 yeah, buts tons of stuff on this board is already archived,

so its a little late for that..

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not that i want to be legal....

oooppsss.  what i meant is that for a legal approach..

does anybody know anything about film preservation institutes?

http://www.filmpreservation.org/

there's a lot of info here:

http://www.filmpreservation.org/preservation/frameset_preservation.html

since i have a lot of time on my hands i'll be reading it..

too bad star wars wasn't made in 1923 or it would be public doman..

also in dec 1977, they changed the copyright on movies from 75years,

to the life of the director+90 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

man that's a long time..

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where are you zombie84?

i see you're still posting, but you haven't said much about this lately..

i figured you would have thought a lot about this.. looking forward

to your comments..

later

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negative1 said:

) how will the HD versions of the OT be distributed?

2) how do we keep it anonymous?

3) how do we restrict the copy to only people that want it?

4) can we keep it off torrent, filesharing sites?

5) how do we make all the discussion about these topics disappear

once its done, and that way it won't be archived by google?

6) how do we keep any of the information about it, or the people

involved disappear also? [AND NO, I DONT MEAN MAKE THE PEOPLE DISAPPEAR, ha ha]

1. The usual channels? Or do you mean the raw files (for cleanup etc.)? Someone with a bigass server and uplink... if many people are going to be involved in the frame by frame cleanup.

2. You can't basically, unless you go completely dark and run everything from a server located in Russia or similar.. But of course getting all the threads erased would increase security.

3-4. Impossible...Stuff is leaked on the interwebs all the time, movies, music games etc. Once it's out it's out..

5-6. You will need to contact a moderator or owner of this site...

Suggestion:

Worry more about intent... Set up a closed website with invite only access. This is a private project for transferring 35mm film for personal/educational use... The intent is not to distribute it and certainly not profit from it. What happens later is out of your hands basically.

thanks for some ideas...

but don't you think that people that actually care about this

would agree to the rules (initially) about not distributing it

through the public internet?

i worked on other (music related) projects, where everybody

that got it for free, agreed they would never post it, sell it on 

ebay, or distribute it for a cost... and it worked ! it never

appeared on the net, only when people asked for it, they

got copies, and we distributed it around the world..

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you're right once it's out, we can't control it.....

but we can control how the information gets out, and who has access

to it...

basically, we have to erase all tracks of the source material, who worked on it,

and where did it originate....

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i have an idea, ( a really crazy one)..

but let's just take the whole thing off the internet .......... all the files,

all the discussions, everything ...period.........

and then what? you say...

i don't know.......  physical mail only, hard copies of the print? anonymous

post office boxes?

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yes, its crazy paranoia...

but only because people keep telling me how much of a crackdown there is,

and the consequences of getting caught..

wouldn't it be better to be safe than sorry?

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i've seen PIF chains for many projects here, so let's just extend that here..

if people want a copy, they get it from one person, not one centralized location,

and not from just one person .. once you get your copies out, you're done forever,

and you never need to  make a copy again, ...

i don't know... work with me on this... give me some more ideas...

later

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Well, I guess it depends on how paranoid you are.. :)

But (talking generally) if you're doing something illegal a po box is not gonna save you...

I'm still not quite sure what kind of distribution you're talking about - the final product?
That's not really anything to worry about at this point?

But if, say, 50 people are going to work on individual raw frames, then that method is going to be s-l-o-w. Snailmailing frames out... Working on them... Sending them back... Team leader or whatever checking them... sending back if more work is needed... it will be logistics hell...

satanika said:

Well, I guess it depends on how paranoid you are.. :)

But (talking generally) if you're doing something illegal a po box is not gonna save you...

I'm still not quite sure what kind of distribution you're talking about - the final product?
That's not really anything to worry about at this point?

But if, say, 50 people are going to work on individual raw frames, then that method is going to be s-l-o-w. Snailmailing frames out... Working on them... Sending them back... Team leader or whatever checking them... sending back if more work is needed... it will be logistics hell...

i just meant the final product..

also, i still don't ever want any intermediate or work copies floating around either..

it would just be trading hard disks, because the files are gigantic..

people would have their own personal copy to work on, that's it.. and i don't even

know who's really interested in doing the whole project besides a handful of people,

so it might not be that hard..

on the other hand, i've yet to see a crackdown (ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh) on

any HD version of any film, they're all free on the net, including all 6 star wars

movies....and we talk about everything pretty freely on this board..

so why am i being paranoid about the HD versions of the OT? because people

are making me paranoid, maybe we dont' have to be..

it will be our own 'blue harvest' project..

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Ya know... the movie studios seem to be a lot less vindictive and vengeful than the music studios. Perhaps movie studios don't feel as threatened, because movies take a lot more time to download. HD, in particular, and there's the storage & playback issues. Perhaps also, because you can rent movies, and tv broadcasters play everything, while radio typically only plays certain cuts of music... Also, people buy as much music as they can afford. But they buy as many dvds as they have space for...

Also, everybody has a several dozen new (and older) movies/shows, per year, to think about choosing. But "fanatics" can be counted on to buy their "cult films". (And, they will never admit, the general population is more likely to choose a "cult film/show", per-purchase-decision, than one of the yearly flood of yeah-that's-nice films). So they have to strategize for how they exploit, errr, abuse, err, relate to the "fringe" who generate those insane sales figures on certain titles. (Deleted a lot more rambling).

Most HD distributors try to stay fairly anonymous... Kinda hard to pin down the line for paranoia. Especially with the special circumstances of Lucas*. Limited distribution, of the HD, might be a good idea. Especially if it's ready before he releases his non-OUT Blu-Rays.

Brings up another subject, though...

One-upmanship is a game of increments.

Lucas defeated the community's laserdisc rips's video with the crappiest source in his vaults. And one can easily imagine that he howled with laughter, as he pulled it out of the vault. Then, perhaps to to rub it in, he gave it an even-worse-mastering than his other OT DVDs (not that his PT dvds were mastered all that well).

Our answer was going to be the X0 (less detail, but wayyy better PQ)... I'm sure he, and people of his, read these forums. And, if this is oneupmanship, they may've made plans.

This transfer could make an SD DVD release that would beat the snot out of the GOUT, SE, Super-SE, ultra duper hyper... A general release of that wouldn't be pushing too far into strange waters...

Of couse we couldn't talk specifics, in the forums, about hey-it's-being-distributed-this-way-now, when it's happening, but still. (Some of the rules may not seem intuitively obvious, but there is a logic to them).

So, anyway, supposing, there's an SD version, swimming around freely... and they know that, somewhere, out there, lurks an HD version (that would be easy for them to one-up, of course). Will it surface? When? Should they transfer a 16mm? A 35mm print? An interneg? A sep neg? A techicolor? Should they pay for the transfer now? Heheh, let 'em sweat... :-}

Speaking of paranoia, I don't think taking extreme precuations is unwarranted in any way. When it comes to the OOT, any version other than the GOUT will not be tolerated. The SEs, in whatever form (HD, corrected DVDs, fanedits), seem to be allowed.

Three projects that were aimed at preserving the OOT have gone strangely silent:

• XO
• Lancer (by Tellan)
• Star Wars Legacy (by mverta)

Make of this what you will. For my part, I am extremely suspicious. (And honestly, I am still astounded that Adywan was "allowed" to finish his awesome edit of ANH.)

Erikstormtrooper said:

Speaking of paranoia, I don't think taking extreme precuations is unwarranted in any way. When it comes to the OOT, any version other than the GOUT will not be tolerated. The SEs, in whatever form (HD, corrected DVDs, fanedits), seem to be allowed.

Three projects that were aimed at preserving the OOT have gone strangely silent:

• XO
• Lancer (by Tellan)
• Star Wars Legacy (by mverta)

Make of this what you will. For my part, I am extremely suspicious. (And honestly, I am still astounded that Adywan was "allowed" to finish his awesome edit of ANH.)

 i'm going into speculation mode here, but it is possible (however unlikely),

that one or more of those projects might have been completed,  but there

were legal issues?

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negative1 said:

i have an idea, ( a really crazy one)..

 

but let's just take the whole thing off the internet .......... all the files,

all the discussions, everything ...period.........

and then what? you say...

First, you can't.  It's really to late to take it off the Internet and expect people to forget about it.  Google archives everything and the Internet Wayback Machine will probably have a copy too.  You could stop talking about it, but it would be awefully funny if a pristine HD copy of the OOT showed up a year from now and it wasn't released by LFL.  Gee, I wonder where they'd look first.  If this thread suddenly went silent, they could easily get the IPs and find out where you are real quick.

Second, isn't it illegal to actually own a 35mm print of a copyrighted movie?  I thought there was discussion around here a while ago about that.  Didn't somebody get fined or arrested for having 35mm prints of copyrighted movies?

Jaiman Tuckuh said:

Ya know... the movie studios seem to be a lot less vindictive and vengeful than the music studios. Perhaps movie studios don't feel as threatened, because movies take a lot more time to download. HD, in particular, and there's the storage & playback issues. Perhaps also, because you can rent movies, and tv broadcasters play everything, while radio typically only plays certain cuts of music... Also, people buy as much music as they can afford. But they buy as many dvds as they have space for...

 

well, with broadband access getting more common, FIOS, etc... it doesn't take that long

to get a popular movie for me (a few hours by bittorrent, and less than hour with rapidshare

links)....for the FULL DVD ... maybe longer for dual layer .....

HD rips take maybe a day or 2 [ok, i have 20M down] for the 9 gig WMV/MKV .... and for

the HD DVD/BLU RAY rips maybe 4-6 days, if its seeded well .... so i don't think that for me,

time is not a deterrant...

storage space is not a issue either, i can get a 500 Gig drive for less than US$100 now,

and its getting cheaper, i'm sure a Terabyte drive will cost that much by the end of the

year (hopefully sooner), that means i can fit  20 full hd dvd/bluray rips on 500 gigs,

and double that on 1 terabyte... of course DVD's are dirt cheap too, going for about

50 per $20 on sale etc...so that's not a problem either......

i dont' buy many dvd's obviously, when you can get them for free, but i've stopped

when there is an HD version, i always get that now.......... and HD DVD's are dead,

but dirt cheap also,  so i only buy those...if i need a bluray version, i just download that

instead of buying yet another player, and format........ i'm sure more people will

do it also in the future...

 

One-upmanship is a game of increments.

Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up

on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...

but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people

don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?

who's going to buy Star Wars SE on blu-ray, when there are at least 5 or 6 versions

already out there, available completely for for free, i think i have them all, 720p

versions, 1080p versions, mkv format, wmv format, .TS format etc, etc.

there is no point in releasing Star Wars SE on bluray

Lucas defeated the community's laserdisc rips's video with the crappiest source in his vaults. And one can easily imagine that he howled with laughter, as he pulled it out of the vault. Then, perhaps to to rub it in, he gave it an even-worse-mastering than his other OT DVDs (not that his PT dvds were mastered all that well).

  

So, anyway, supposing, there's an SD version, swimming around freely... and they know that, somewhere, out there, lurks an HD version (that would be easy for them to one-up, of course). Will it surface? When? Should they transfer a 16mm? A 35mm print? An interneg? A sep neg? A techicolor? Should they pay for the transfer now? Heheh, let 'em sweat... :-}

once again, why should they bother ? we've got yet another HD version of star wars

ready to be released shortly with color correction and fixes .............. and i'm sure its

just a matter of time, before more people work on de-SE ing these HD versions, just

like the plethora of fanedits that exist already for the OT now, there will be just as

many edits of the HD versions, and we will never need to go back to Lucasfilm ..

the cat is already out of the bag, and has been for quite some time now....

[i'm deliberately not talking about the 35mm transfer project for other reasons

obviously]..

later

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negative1 said:

Jaiman Tuckuh said:

Ya know... the movie studios seem to be a lot less vindictive and vengeful than the music studios. Perhaps movie studios don't feel as threatened, because movies take a lot more time to download. HD, in particular, and there's the storage & playback issues. Perhaps also, because you can rent movies, and tv broadcasters play everything, while radio typically only plays certain cuts of music... Also, people buy as much music as they can afford. But they buy as many dvds as they have space for...

 

 

well, with broadband access getting more common, FIOS, etc... it doesn't take that long

to get a popular movie for me (a few hours by bittorrent, and less than hour with rapidshare

links)....for the FULL DVD ... maybe longer for dual layer .....

HD rips take maybe a day or 2 [ok, i have 20M down] for the 9 gig WMV/MKV .... and for

the HD DVD/BLU RAY rips maybe 4-6 days, if its seeded well .... so i don't think that for me,

time is not a deterrant...

Dude, you seriously need to take another look at Usenet.  Those same things can all be done in a matter of hours, at the most, from Usenet.  A Blu-ray rip can especially be had in about 4 hours at 20 M down.  No need to wait 4-6 days.  If I had to wait that long for an HD copy of anything, I'd just order it online.  I think it would get to me faster that way.

Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up

on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...

but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people

don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?

They've only lost to people like us.  Talk to Joe Schmoe on the street.  They have no idea how to download anything outside of using some lame p2p program like Kazaa.  And then they'll complain about how every time they download a copy, it's not what it said it was (big surprise) and now their machine is infected with viruses and trojans.

Besides all that, most of us actually own the DVDs of any fan edits we download.  It's so nice that you don't actually buy any of your DVDs.  Way to go there Mr. Pirate.

For the record, I believe the HD broadcasts of Star Wars are what came first.  WG simply took the audio from the US broadcast and put it into the German video.  The German video was used because it wasn't compressed even further like the US broadcasters tend to do.

who's going to buy Star Wars SE on blu-ray, when there are at least 5 or 6 versions

already out there, available completely for for free, i think i have them all, 720p

versions, 1080p versions, mkv format, wmv format, .TS format etc, etc.

 

The SE?  Probably very few people here.  The OOT?  I'll be the first one in line.  I would rather have a completely remastered OOT in HD direct from LFL than a fan edit.  That's one of the points of this site.  Not only are we suppose to own the original of any movies we get, but we're also suppose to get rid of any fan edits we have once an official version comes out.  Or do you think everyone still has their fan edit copies of the various versions of Blade Runner now that an excellent boxed set has been released?

there is no point in releasing Star Wars SE on bluray

Of course there is.  Again, just because we all have HD copies of Star Wars does not mean that Joe Schmoe Star Wars fan on the street has a copy.  A Blu-ray copy of Star Wars is exactly what a lot of SciFi and Star Wars fans are waiting for.  Those same people don't want a fan edit or they don't know how to get their hands on one or they don't want to take the time.

once again, why should they bother ? we've got yet another HD version of star wars

ready to be released shortly with color correction and fixes .............. and i'm sure its

just a matter of time, before more people work on de-SE ing these HD versions, just

like the plethora of fanedits that exist already for the OT now, there will be just as

many edits of the HD versions, and we will never need to go back to Lucasfilm ..

And at some point, it's comments like these that are going to get this site shut down.  Seriously dude.  You're sitting here telling people that LFL shouldn't bother releasing any HD versions of Star Wars because we've got all we need.  You're telling LFL not to waste their time because we won't buy it anyway.  You're telling LFL that we have no need for them any longer.

Newsflash: Lucas still owns Star Wars.  Everything we do here is meant as a stop gap toward something official from LFL.  If you don't get that, then you seriously need your head examined.  The preservations have been allowed to exist to this point because most everyone has bought at least one version of Star Wars somewhere along the line.  People with the LDs have the LD preservations.  People bought the 04 sets and are now getting color corrected copies from someone else.  Some of those things might be a legal gray area, but they seem to be acceptable to LFL.

There's no reason to believe that if we just kept sharing the HD versions and spreading them around further and further and really started eating into LFL's profits by getting these into the hands of people who would ordinarily just wait for a Blu-ray disc, that LFL won't shut us down in a heartbeat.  As a perfect example, distribution of the original "The Phantom Edit" was nearly shut down because people were handing out VHS tapes all over the place.  Lucas took that as a direct hit to his own distribution and got it, at least temporarily, shut down.

LFL has sent C&Ds in the past for fan edits.  There's nothing to stop them from sending a C&D for these people like you keep acting like they're not going to buy an official release.

the cat is already out of the bag, and has been for quite some time now....

 

[i'm deliberately not talking about the 35mm transfer project for other reasons

obviously]..

<sarcasm> Oh yeah, you're being so secretive about that transfer. </sarcasm>

lordjedi said:

 Dude, you seriously need to take another look at Usenet.  Those same things can all be done in a matter of hours, at the most, from Usenet.  A Blu-ray rip can especially be had in about 4 hours at 20 M down.  No need to wait 4-6 days.  If I had to wait that long for an HD copy of anything, I'd just order it online.  I think it would get to me faster that way.

well, my ISP sucks at newsgroup access, and i hardly ever use newsgroups, torrents

work fine for me, and since it's basically 'free', what difference does it make if i get it today,

tomorrow, or in a week? i'm not THAT impatient...

Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up

on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...

but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people

don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?

They've only lost to people like us.  Talk to Joe Schmoe on the street.  They have no idea how to download anything outside of using some lame p2p program like Kazaa.  And then they'll complain about how every time they download a copy, it's not what it said it was (big surprise) and now their machine is infected with viruses and trojans.

everyone i know is technically capable of doing it ... also if average people are getting busted

constantly for sharing/downloading music, why would it be hard? someone mentioned that

movie studios don't crack down on stuff as much, only on the cammers, and distributors,

and physical pirates.....

Besides all that, most of us actually own the DVDs of any fan edits we download.  It's so nice that you don't actually buy any of your DVDs.  Way to go there Mr. Pirate.

well, i have bought enough laserdiscs, and dvd's to last me a lifetime, and i don't really

feel like spending more money unless its a HD version....i stated that earlier. unless a

movie is in HD, i don't see the point of wasting money on a DVD...

The SE?  Probably very few people here.  The OOT?  I'll be the first one in line.  I would rather have a completely remastered OOT in HD direct from LFL than a fan edit.  That's one of the points of this site.  Not only are we suppose to own the original of any movies we get, but we're also suppose to get rid of any fan edits we have once an official version comes out.  Or do you think everyone still has their fan edit copies of the various versions of Blade Runner now that an excellent boxed set has been released?

i LOVE all the fanedits from here, and from fanedit.org ..... i think they're great from a fans

viewpoint, on seeing different versions of a movie, or seeing a cool preservation from a

dead format (laserdisc, ced, 16mm, etc) .... why would i get rid of a fanedit that someone

made, just because the official dvd came out? they're different to me......

And at some point, it's comments like these that are going to get this site shut down.  Seriously dude.  You're sitting here telling people that LFL shouldn't bother releasing any HD versions of Star Wars because we've got all we need.  You're telling LFL not to waste their time because we won't buy it anyway.  You're telling LFL that we have no need for them any longer.

please dont be so dramatic, do you think i'm the first person to ever say these words?

let me go back through the threads to see what everyone thought about the HD versions

when they first came out? oh, theres not a whole lot there is there..... its a drop in the

bucket ... and by the way, i'm not telling LFL anything ....

all i've seen is speculation about a bluray version of star wars, is there actually

any hard evidence, or release dates for it? so if it isn't being worked on, then does

it really exist? not to me..

The preservations have been allowed to exist to this point because most everyone has bought at least one version of Star Wars somewhere along the line.  People with the LDs have the LD preservations.  People bought the 04 sets and are now getting color corrected copies from someone else.  Some of those things might be a legal gray area, but they seem to be acceptable to LFL.

i wish all the people here were as altruistic as you seem to be,

do you REALLY THINK FOR ONE MINUTE, people that have downloaded laserdisc transfers,

bootlegs, edits, etc, really OWNED THOSE EXACT VERSIONS, i'd be hard pressed to prove that..

the cat is already out of the bag, and has been for quite some time now....

 

[i'm deliberately not talking about the 35mm transfer project for other reasons

obviously]..

Oh yeah, you're being so secretive about that transfer.

please wait for another week or two before my comment will make sense...

you'll see..

later

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negative1 said:

Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up

on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...

but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people

don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?

They've only lost to people like us.  Talk to Joe Schmoe on the street.  They have no idea how to download anything outside of using some lame p2p program like Kazaa.  And then they'll complain about how every time they download a copy, it's not what it said it was (big surprise) and now their machine is infected with viruses and trojans.

 

everyone i know is technically capable of doing it ... also if average people are getting busted

constantly for sharing/downloading music, why would it be hard? someone mentioned that

movie studios don't crack down on stuff as much, only on the cammers, and distributors,

and physical pirates.....

And anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal.  I know plenty of people that are not capable of doing this, at least not without being shown.  And I'd bet that after showing them, 90% would say "Forget it, I'll just wait until they release a Blu-ray version.  I'm sure they'll do it eventually".

Besides all that, most of us actually own the DVDs of any fan edits we download.  It's so nice that you don't actually buy any of your DVDs.  Way to go there Mr. Pirate.

well, i have bought enough laserdiscs, and dvd's to last me a lifetime, and i don't really

feel like spending more money unless its a HD version....i stated that earlier. unless a

movie is in HD, i don't see the point of wasting money on a DVD...

How does this excuse outright piracy?  "Oh, I've given them plenty of money over my lifetime, they don't need anymore".  That is not an excuse to pirate a movie.

The SE?  Probably very few people here.  The OOT?  I'll be the first one in line.  I would rather have a completely remastered OOT in HD direct from LFL than a fan edit.  That's one of the points of this site.  Not only are we suppose to own the original of any movies we get, but we're also suppose to get rid of any fan edits we have once an official version comes out.  Or do you think everyone still has their fan edit copies of the various versions of Blade Runner now that an excellent boxed set has been released?

i LOVE all the fanedits from here, and from fanedit.org ..... i think they're great from a fans

viewpoint, on seeing different versions of a movie, or seeing a cool preservation from a

dead format (laserdisc, ced, 16mm, etc) .... why would i get rid of a fanedit that someone

made, just because the official dvd came out? they're different to me......

So feel free to keep them both.  The point is that even when fan edits are released, it's expected that people either own the original or buy the official release when it comes out.  If they don't, they are pirating.  Both OT.com and fanedit.org know this.

 

And at some point, it's comments like these that are going to get this site shut down.  Seriously dude.  You're sitting here telling people that LFL shouldn't bother releasing any HD versions of Star Wars because we've got all we need.  You're telling LFL not to waste their time because we won't buy it anyway.  You're telling LFL that we have no need for them any longer.

please dont be so dramatic, do you think i'm the first person to ever say these words?

I think you're the first person to suggest that LFL not bother releasing Star Wars on Blu-ray

let me go back through the threads to see what everyone thought about the HD versions

when they first came out? oh, theres not a whole lot there is there

All the comments are about how great the quality is.  I don't ever remember seeing someone suggest that LFL not release an official version.  Everyone always says "This'll be great to have until LFL releases an official copy".

bucket ... and by the way, i'm not telling LFL anything ....

You did:

Lucasfilm lost the second any version of star wars SE/and the prequels showed up

on HD, i don't know what came first, the german versions, wookiegroomer, etc...

but as soon as those were free..... the game was over ..... maybe that's why people

don't think that the war is already over, before it has even started?

 

who's going to buy Star Wars SE on blu-ray, when there are at least 5 or 6 versions

already out there, available completely for for free, i think i have them all, 720p

versions, 1080p versions, mkv format, wmv format, .TS format etc, etc.

 

there is no point in releasing Star Wars SE on bluray

And...

once again, why should they bother ? we've got yet another HD version of star wars

ready to be released shortly with color correction and fixes .............. and i'm sure its

just a matter of time, before more people work on de-SE ing these HD versions, just

like the plethora of fanedits that exist already for the OT now, there will be just as

many edits of the HD versions, and we will never need to go back to Lucasfilm ..

So how is that not telling LFL it would be pointless to release Star Wars on Blu-ray?    That would be the equivalent of telling people to not bother with Iron Man on Blu-ray since it'll be broadcast in HD in the future.  They could just capture that and author their own.  If everyone that planned to buy the Blu-ray release did that instead, Marvel would be pretty unhappy.

 

all i've seen is speculation about a bluray version of star wars, is there actually

any hard evidence, or release dates for it? so if it isn't being worked on, then does

it really exist? not to me..

I didn't say it did.  But we don't wait for a release date to stop talking about not going to LFL for an eventual Blu-ray release.  What I am telling you is that you cannot sit here and tell people that we no longer need LFL for a Blu-ray release since we'll have our own fan created one very shortly and expect LFL to not react.

The preservations have been allowed to exist to this point because most everyone has bought at least one version of Star Wars somewhere along the line.  People with the LDs have the LD preservations.  People bought the 04 sets and are now getting color corrected copies from someone else.  Some of those things might be a legal gray area, but they seem to be acceptable to LFL.

 

i wish all the people here were as altruistic as you seem to be,

do you REALLY THINK FOR ONE MINUTE, people that have downloaded laserdisc transfers,

bootlegs, edits, etc, really OWNED THOSE EXACT VERSIONS, i'd be hard pressed to prove that..

I'm sure people have.  But it's not up to us or this site to prove it either.  If someone gets caught with a fan edit that they don't own the original of, that person will face fines.  I would say that quite a few posters around here do indeed have official copies of every preservation effort that's been done.  Quite a number of users here do indeed have every release of Star Wars to date.

This site does not make any bootlegs or fan edits available.  That is the single difference between OT.com and fanedit.org.  At ot.com, we discuss fan edits and preservations and then tell everybody where to find them.  So in order to get anything that's been worked on, people have to actively visit different sites/places.  That's probably one of the only reasons they're allowed to stay up.

I think most of this discussion has been great.  I think you crossed the line when you suggested that we no longer need LFL though.  I don't think I've ever seen anyone else make a statement like that around here.

lordjedi said:

Second, isn't it illegal to actually own a 35mm print of a copyrighted movie?  I thought there was discussion around here a while ago about that.  Didn't somebody get fined or arrested for having 35mm prints of copyrighted movies?

 

No, it's not automatically illegal to own a 35mm print. 

Roddy McDowell had his 35mm collection confiscated, but it was more about how the films were obtained than about the fact that they were 35mm.

Mielr said:

lordjedi said:

Second, isn't it illegal to actually own a 35mm print of a copyrighted movie?  I thought there was discussion around here a while ago about that.  Didn't somebody get fined or arrested for having 35mm prints of copyrighted movies?

 

No, it's not automatically illegal to own a 35mm print. 

Roddy McDowell had his 35mm collection confiscated, but it was more about how the films were obtained than about the fact that they were 35mm.

Ah, ok.  Good to know and I'm pretty sure that's the guy I was referring to.

Old (and long) article about 35mm piracy...
Mentions the McDowall case and more.

http://www.jamesmonaco.com/PiracyJM.html

Wow, it says Roddy Mcdowall's collection was raided in 1974. Yet theatrical films didn't even BEGIN to show up on home video until November 1977. (source: http://www.entmerch.org/industry_history.html)

So it's not like the film companies were losing money by him not going to the store and picking up a copy on video. Unless he was showing them publicly and charging admission, they should have left him alone. Jerks.