Ya know now I watched the trailers a couple of times. The "Dirt" is kinda growing on me. Wouldn't say that it's not worth at all trying to "fix" the blu-rays using footage from this. But this version will definitely be worth watching on its own.
Also keep in mind, unlike most of you I'm only 19 years old. So I didn't really grow up with the originals the same way most of you would've.
jero32 said:
Also keep in mind, unlike most of you I'm only 19 years old. So I didn't really grow up with the originals the same way most of you would've.
It's not about what *I* like, or what anyone in particular likes. It's about preserving the movie that won 7 academy awards and changed filmmaking. It's about preserving history.
I actually enjoy some of the changes. But this effort (and this website, for that matter) is about preserving the original, since Mr. Lucas won't.
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Yet a few pages back you mentioned alot of people liked your 8mm transfers because they looked like they would've in the theathres at the time.
(all scratched up etc)
If you look at my post a few pages back I actually mention this being a great preservation project. Not neccesairly one that would end up being the most "watchable"
To clarify, when the film came out, it wasn't scratched up... the scratches came over the years. There would have been some film grain, though, and that is one thing that many viewers appreciate seeing again.
This 35mm transfer has the potential of looking fantastic, even compared to the blu ray, and certainly compared to the DVD, because the detail (including the grain) is so well preserved. It also will accurately preserve an important window into film history.
You are right that some people may subsequently use it for repairing the blu ray. I'm just guessing that is about the last thing on -1's mind.
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Well the scratches coming up later was kind of the point I was trying to make.
Anyway I think you’re confusing my “vision” for what can be done with the footage with the idea that I want it to be the main focus here.
35mm certainly has alot of potential of looking awesome. In particular I’m surprised by how good some of the desert shots look (the stil images). Altough it looks like mos eisley spaceport might be a little grainy.
A number of shots are "grainy" as you put it, due mainly to the shooting technique. Some of the FX shots in Mos Eisley are many, many times removed from the original negative due to the compositing, while others such as the desert scenes were shot "soft," so it appears less clear. The shots that should stand out are the corridor scenes and the Death Star battle.
jero32 said:
Ya know now I watched the trailers a couple of times. The "Dirt" is kinda growing on me. Wouldn't say that it's not worth at all trying to "fix" the blu-rays using footage from this. But this version will definitely be worth watching on its own.
Also keep in mind, unlike most of you I'm only 19 years old. So I didn't really grow up with the originals the same way most of you would've.
I'm curious to see what a younger person thinks of people attempting to restore an old film like this. I wonder if it seems like crazy old people trying to hold on to their youth from someone with your perspective.
I think this is an excellent effort at preservation but a real preservation will be needed. It will probably happen when Mr. Lucas passes away but none of us want to wait that long.
Well I'm 29, but I love film restoration when done right, that means preserving the film as it is, grain and all. So many blu rays have been scrubbed clean of all grain because people don't know any better. They prefer the fake waxy look. I definitely don't. I won't buy a movie if it has excessive DVNR and edge enhancement. The star wars blu rays aren't guilty of this, it's just all the needless changes and the horrible color timing that makes them undesirable to watch.
I'm in my 20s. I may be crazy, but I'm certainly not old! I was, however, born early enough to where I was watching the original versions growing up as opposed to the 97 SE. "Old and crazy" to preserve this? Where do you come up with that?
This isn't Xanadu or The Incredible Melting Man or some trash. This is STAR WARS- one of the most popular movies of all time. And I cannot wait for this to come out.
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lucasdroid said:I'm curious to see what a younger person thinks of people attempting to restore an old film like this. I wonder if it seems like crazy old people trying to hold on to their youth
I doubt it, there's no minimum age for noticing bad work. Plus, a movie from the 30s or the 90s would look just as retarded if it was as haphazardly fumblefucked as Star Wars is, so no childhood attachment is necessary.
Trooperman said:
I'm in my 20s. I may be crazy, but I'm certainly not old! I was, however, born early enough to where I was watching the original versions growing up as opposed to the 97 SE. "Old and crazy" to preserve this? Where do you come up with that?
This isn't Xanadu or The Incredible Melting Man or some trash. This is STAR WARS- one of the most popular movies of all time. And I cannot wait for this to come out.
to be fair... this thread did have a 'crazy' thought in it..
but that was referring to the process.
also, i've been called crazy by a lot of people here,
(if you read the middle of this thread around page 20),
and pretty much every girl i've met thinks i'm crazy,
along with my brother and family members..
i'm kinda old too, so i can see where the 'crazy old fool',
tag comes with the territory... although i'm not like ben kenobi
yet! ha ha
later
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ww12345 said:
A number of shots are "grainy" as you put it, due mainly to the shooting technique. Some of the FX shots in Mos Eisley are many, many times removed from the original negative due to the compositing, while others such as the desert scenes were shot "soft," so it appears less clear. The shots that should stand out are the corridor scenes and the Death Star battle.
the corridor scenes look great... haven't gotten to the
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
To clarify, when the film came out, it wasn't scratched up... the scratches came over the years. There would have been some film grain, though, and that is one thing that many viewers appreciate seeing again.
This 35mm transfer has the potential of looking fantastic, even compared to the blu ray, and certainly compared to the DVD, because the detail (including the grain) is so well preserved. It also will accurately preserve an important window into film history.
You are right that some people may subsequently use it for repairing the blu ray. I'm just guessing that is about the last thing on -1's mind.
yup, hadn't really thought about it much.
busy making sure the process goes through
for each reel, and then we can assess what
needs to be completed.
later
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negative1 said:
we'll release the raw files too, but they will be huge!
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No size is too large for something that important!
I'm 19. I was exposed to Star Wars for the first time through this release in the 90s:
I watched them so many times I wore out the tapes. This couldn't have been any earlier than 1996, I was 4 years old. Out came the special editions. I hated them. Out came the prequels. Appallingly bad.
I don't think you need to be someone who watched the original film in theatres back in 1977 to understand why it is culturally significant and deserves to be preserved.
Is it bad that I still have that and the widescreen version? ;)
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Brooks said:
negative1 said:
we'll release the raw files too, but they will be huge!
later
-1
No size is too large for something that important!
the size is Terabytes, you'll have to
supply your own hard drives. that's the plan.
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negative1 said:
Brooks said:
negative1 said:
we'll release the raw files too, but they will be huge!
later
-1
No size is too large for something that important!
the size is Terabytes, you'll have to
supply your own hard drives. that's the plan.
later
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I currently own 8 external 1TB drives. Is it enough or do I need to buy more ? :-)
pittrek said:
negative1 said:
Brooks said:
negative1 said:
we'll release the raw files too, but they will be huge!
later
-1
No size is too large for something that important!
the size is Terabytes, you'll have to
supply your own hard drives. that's the plan.
later
-1
I currently own 8 external 1TB drives. Is it enough or do I need to buy more ? :-)
our estimate was 6-10T, not including the english red print,
but including ESB. basically just the raw frames, no video or
audio included. it would be better to have larger drives, because
the shipping would be a lot i would think. i'm still not sure how
this will work, until we actually get to that point. it'll be awhile
after the release though.
later
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Also keep in mind when I talk about "dirt" I mean physical scratches and well...dirt on the film. Now apparently the blu-rays (like I said I havent actually seen the blu-rays yet) may have scrubbed a little TOO much grain off which is kinda lame. But originally I simply meant scratches etc. Just so we're also clear on that.
As for the perspective of someone my age. I see the cgi as sort of a travesty.
Compare the movie to a beatles song. Changing the color pallete is somewhat equal to doing a remaster. Some people will like it, some won't. But overall it's stil the same song. Just with a "different" feel to it. What George Lucas is doing however, is more comparable to John Lennon deciding Yoko Ono was also part of the band, and permanently mixing her voice into the song.
I am INCREDIBLY excited about this project. I have a projector set up, and typically have to blow up one of the excellent fan recreations. Looking forward to an actual capture...which is most of our holy grails. Nothing wrong with dirt as it gives it a true film like "screening" experience. To echo Puggo's observation, the film was pristine when it was first released...repeated reissues beat those prints up, but not in the beginning.
jero32 said:
What George Lucas is doing however, is more comparable to John Lennon deciding Yoko Ono was also part of the band, and permanently mixing her voice into the song.
Great analogy!
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I had a Future idea for a clean up.
But it would require getting more prints and scanning them.
(So reel 3 and reel 4 are the problem?)
But the idea is every print has its own dirt, scratches and grain.
If you have too prints of ever frame,you can use software clean it up to look more like a 2th generation as a pose to a 3th generation print
Puggo wrote:
jero32 said:
What George Lucas is doing however, is more comparable to John Lennon deciding Yoko Ono was also part of the band, and permanently mixing her voice into the song.
Great analogy!
I smell meme:
http://tubedubber.com/#7jK-jZo6xjY:K-c9oasVC1I:0:100:0:0:1
1977 SW Crawl with Yoko Ono's "Hell in Paradise" which was a protest album against Ronald Reagan's 'Star Wars' missile defense initiative.
Mesmerized by mythology,
Hypnotized by ideology,
Antagonized by reality,
Vandalized by insanity,
Indeed.
Let's see what 1970s George Lucas has to say about grain....
Lucas in American Cinematographer, October 1971:
"I was well aware that there would be those in the audience who would be shocked by the graininess at first, but I was sure that after the first minute or two they would get used to the grain and simply accept it as part of the stylistic concept, the documentary approach."
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