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Those are cool MagnoliaFan covers m8

Especially like the blurb on the back

Did notice there was some black bars at the very bottom of TCW around the front cover logo ?
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I find that answer vague and unconvincing.
 
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Cool covers...

And no, those new subs were not endorsed by me.
I read over it and 85% of it is the same and the rest is just a little stiffer and censored to be more G-rated (depite the fact that no other SW film has ever been G)...
Maybe we should go remove all the "damns" and "hells" littered all over Ep II, IV, and V too... God forbid they wander into PG terrritory.

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Ok, Im sure this is a stupid question but here goes anyway. I downloaded BOTF and it is a 894MB Video Clip, how do I burn to DVD. Do I need to convert it? If so to what and how? It wont even play on my media player because it needs a codec. I tried to find a codec but there are several of those and I (being stupid) dont know which one it needs. Could anyone help a dumbass please.

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFanMaybe we should go remove all the "damns" and "hells" littered all over Ep II, IV, and V too... God forbid they wander into PG terrritory.


Very funny, Indeed.
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Maybe we should go remove all the "damns" and "hells" littered all over Ep II, IV, and V too... God forbid they wander into PG terrritory.

Damn's and hell's are fine. Shit's are not. And besides 1 Damn in Star Wars and 1 Hell in Empire..what you got? Do you honestly think it was the LANGUAGE that caused ANH and ESB to get PG ratings? How about the violence instead?

God Forbid Star Wars DOESN'T grow a pottymouth. But maybe your OT edits will have Ackbar in a fishy new language, subtitled going "Goddammit! It's a FUCKING TRAP!!" and Jabba will have a new subtitle hinting at all the cunnilingus he'll perform on Slave Leia.

If by "Stiff Dialog" Mags means "not saying shit, cock and motherfucker" then yeah, he's right, but Mags is good at editing, not dialog. I honestly believe the dialog ADM reworked sounds more Star Wars-y, and is actually a little more naturalistic in that fictional universe. In my mind, he fixed one of the bigger problems of Mags TPM re-edit.

I would have asked for a copy, but only if you had MagnoliaFan's blessings.


You think MagnoliaFan got Lucas' blessing? C'mon man. All's fair in love and re-editing movies we didn't have a hand in creating
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Find DVD Santa and use that to burn. HOWEVER make sure you get the full version - torrents of it are up at suprnova.org i believe.

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Originally posted by: agr1170
Ok, Im sure this is a stupid question but here goes anyway. I downloaded BOTF and it is a 894MB Video Clip, how do I burn to DVD. Do I need to convert it? If so to what and how? It wont even play on my media player because it needs a codec. I tried to find a codec but there are several of those and I (being stupid) dont know which one it needs. Could anyone help a dumbass please.


as far as burning it to dvd i dont know, so if thats your plan suggest following chainsawash's instructions

as for the codec, just search for an xvid codec for the video and and ac3 codec for sound...thats what i used to get my copy working

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
I need to go dig out that clip I made where Samuel Jackson yells, "Pilot! Land this mutha f*cka!" on the Gunship...
If people feel the need to complain about the language so much, maybe they should be given a reason...


HAHAHAHAA. You definatley need to post these funny little things we've been hearing about. Jar Jar beign voiced by Donkey from Shrek, etc.
It sounds hilarious.

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To view BOTF you need an XviD codec for the video and an AC3 codec for the audio.

Moll.

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Thanks to everyone, the codec and ac3 did the trick. I am going to watch it tonight.

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What happened to Rikter's page with all of the different edits? I get a 102 error when I view it now. Anybody else having this problem?
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Well, I finally saw "Balance of the Force........."

AND I LOVED IT!!!!!!!

I can't say that enough. Although I do have to say that I agree with those who complain about the language.

It's not that it offends me, it's just that it's VERY UN-STAR WARS. (Whatever that means)

However, that's the only flaw in what is the BEST creation of it's kind. I simply LOVE IT.

And so many of my friends want compies now it's ridiculous! Everyone I know, even Star Wars haters, really want to see this film. Talk about buzz.

I could go on an on about what I liked, but that would make for one long thread.

So I'll just say this, I love this film and I truly thank Magnolia Fan for his efforts. Having cut film in the past, I now that he must have spend HOURS UPON HOURS creating this masterpeice.

Thanks for everything you have done.

And please consider dropping the bad language. It just doesnt fit the Star Wars universe.

And for my money SpiderNap has made the BEST covers for Magnolia Fan's saga.

DAMN! I can't wait to see the "Clone War!"

Where's the final version?
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That's the one, 00Jason, thanks. The one at the top of this thread is broken for me, but the one you just posted worked.
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
I need to go dig out that clip I made where Samuel Jackson yells, "Pilot! Land this mutha f*cka!" on the Gunship...
If people feel the need to complain about the language so much, maybe they should be given a reason...


DO IT man!!!

IT would be PERFECT - I've often envisioned something like this

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Finally got to see these over the weekend thanks to Rikter.

Magnoliafan's edits are really quite amazing- he managed to clip out just about very wince-inducing moment, shape some of the neutral bits to better support the action, and removed some of the wishywashy dramatic copouts (like Dooku being 'just another sith').

"Ballance" was a much more dramatic change- there was far more weak material here to resculpt- but "Clone War" also showed some major improvements.

All told, the things I like about Lucas- his ability to do really amazing visual storytelling- was enhanced, while his real flaws (his tin ear for dialog, and love of cheeze-mo cleche) was reduced to non-offensive levels. I would have been a bit more brutal cutting out some of Portman's cheezier lines, and would have made Jar-Jar's cursing more "starwarsy", but generally I have no real complaints.

Simply put, I like Magnoliafan's edits BETTER than the theatrical or DVD cuts of the films.

I have some real hope for "Revenge" though- the preqs seems to be improving even without Magnoliafan's hand... perhaps the third one might not even need an edit....er...nah.

You know what would be some funny stuff though? Take dialog from other movies (like Pulp Fiction and Train Spotting, for example) and cut it into the movies with the right actors...


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Hi all, Rikter asked me to post my detailed review of the re-edits to the forum.

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I've been a Star Wars fan almost my entire life, from the age of 4 in 1977 and still today. I love Star Wars for Star Wars, even with all the Lucas revisionism and repeated cash grabs. I really liked The Phantom Menace, despite (and perhaps in some way, because of) its flaws. There is some brilliant symbolism there, and Lucas took some storytelling risks that he doesn't get credit for. I saw it 19 times in theaters, including 2nd run and the Christmas charity run, when it was all said and done.

So that's where I'm coming from when I watched the re-edits.

My summary of my experience watching Balance of the Force and The Clone War back to back on Friday night was this: When I have kids, and I sit them down to watch Star Wars for the first time, I'm first going to show them the TR47 O.T. DVDs. After they've seen those, and it's time to cover the backstory, I'm now tempted to show them Balance of the Force and The Clone War and deem those the definitive versions of the prequels. They're that good. Even the titles are great.

I'll start obviously, with the beginning.

Overall impressions of "Balance of the Force": Pacing is much improved (FASTER, MORE INTENSE!), character motivations make more sense, more serious tone overall, but also adding ADULT humor to lighten the mood! Someone once mentioned that as kids, we liked Star Wars because we were watching the workings of an adult world, and though we didn't comprehend everything, it still looked cool. Phantom Menace was missing this, but Balance adds it back in through the subtitles. (No matter
what Lucas says today, Star Wars and Empire were NOT kids' films!)

The most pervasive and best change you made, was making the Trade Federation slavers. When Padme is whining about her people dying, you actually believe that they are!!!! It's so strange to type, but because her pleas are more believable, it's almost as if Natalie's acting improved because of this detail being reinforced in the Viceroy's dialogue throughout the movie.

I'll go thru and list the changes that I remember without having the film in front of me. (and do the same with Clone War)

- Opening sequence: This scene worked pretty damn well in Menace as it stood, so you didn't need to make a ton of changes, and overall I liked what you did...
- Cutting the chatter between pilot and co-pilot and the Nemoidians, I thought, lessened the impact of the ship getting blown to bits in the hangar. To the viewer, the ship is empty, so why do we need to see it destroyed (other than it's a cool visual)?
- Cutting out the droids saying "Roger Roger"... this makes sense now that you have the droids speaking an alien language anyway, but it was one of those stupid parts of Menace that I actually like.
- Jar Jar's introduction (actually Jar Jar's entire character) has completely changed for the better. This is a good a point as any to
talk about Jar Jar overall: someone on a message board in 1999 wrote that Menace lacked a Han Solo rogue character (this should have been Anakin at age 15, but blame Lucas for that). Well, Balance now has the closest thing this film could have, and what Jar Jar really should have been in the first place... A wisecracking ne'er-do-well whose better nature eventually takes over.
- Great editing with Boss Nass' scenes, eliminating the silly head-shaking and making him a slightly sinister character!
- The "mind trick" sound effect is a nice touch
- The 2nd "fish getting eaten" scene in the planet core is completely unnecessary... replacing it with the more exciting waterfall sequence was a no-brainer that the Flanneled One missed out on
- Nice touch with Jar Jar's "Sometimes I even amaze myself" line, what I assume is an intentional parallel on your part, as I noted above with this new Jar Jar's similarities to Solo. And of course, I said back at the TV "That doesn't sound too hard!"
- Why does the battle droid still say "You're under arrest" in English? I actually liked that stupid "wait... uhh... that doesn't compute" line so I kinda missed it... and the scene seems a bit choppy without it.
- Thank the maker you removed the "The Hyperdrive is leaking" line
- Maybe there was no way to "fix" this... but it would have made a hell of a lot of sense to connect the Hutts' slave activity to that of the Trade Federation. Maybe the Trade Federation helps the Hutts by running interference in the government in turn for a cut of their profits. This would be a huge motivator for Ani to want to help Padme, and it would make her more sympathic to his plight. Hey, Lucas missed out on this big time. Your making the Trade Federation slavers begs for that tie-in to be made.
But I'm not sure how you could "tell" that portion through just Nemoidian dialogue.
- Thanks for removing the "It is to be commended" and "it deserves our gratitude" lines. They make no sense, no one ever commended droids in the OT.
- The Ani/Padme scene is perfect now. Shows his initial infatuation with her, and his anger, without the cheesiness. Good job. Good introduction to Ani. Sometimes the telling is in what you DON'T say!!!!!!!!!!
- You got rid of the annoying YIPPIE's! Cool.
- Nice touch in adding Watto's lines from Episode I Racer.
- Here's a bit of SW heresy. I actually don't mind the Anakin "virgin birth" or midichlorians, because my theory is that Anakin is a clone created by Palpatine, who stuck him with high concentrations of midichlorians and put him in poverty to make him angry and easily turned to the dark side in adulthood. To make that leap, you need a scientific explanation for the force. Now that to me make would make sense, which is why in Episode III it won't happen that way. Anyway, in the context of this film and the OT, neither of those phrases belong, so the film works a lot better without them.
- The dinner table scene is much improved with the tightening up.
- I actually liked the little kids teasing Anakin. Wald makes me laugh for some strange reason. I kinda missed that scene. Not sure of the purpose of cutting this scene, and replacing it with the "morning of the race" scene which doesn't reveal much of anything about Anakin.
- I kinda missed the "You've never won a race?" conversation, simply because Natalie glaring up at Liam Neeson at the end is priceless. Also further solidifies Qui-Gon's faith in The Chosen One.
- Really nice touch with the addition of music to the majority of the pod race. When I first saw Menace, I kind of liked it without the music. The sound effects of the pod engines are almost a symphony in and of themselves. But it truly works in Balance, as it is reminiscient of the earlier films and ties it all in.
- Removing the "You can't stop the change" lines removes yet another cringe-worthy moment from Menace that adds to the overall improvement of this film
- I don't really like the scene with Anakin fighting Greedo. One of those instances where the SW universe is a bit too small. And I don't think it helps the film that much.
- This film works so much better with Qui-Gon hacking down a probe droid, it gives a sense of urgency and explains why they're running when they get to the ship. You know what I would have loved, though? If you'd added the probe droid chatter from Empire.
- If memory serves, the stuff on Coruscant is pretty much unchanged. Which is fine, that part of the film works damn well. (again, removing the midichlorian line is fine since it serves no purpose to this film or tying it to the OT)
- I'm getting tired, I'm gonna try to wrap this up. Your changes to the final battle really help Anakin's character. I hated how
Lucas made Anakin's talent seem completely by accident. Especially after he built his skills up so well during the pod race. Thanks for removing those lines that caused Anakin's blowing up the control ship to be an accident. Now it's as if a 9 year old kid was the mastermind of the entire battle. Which he should have been to begin with.

Well hell, if I were the screenwriter, Anakin would be the same age as Padme, he'd want to help her fight the Trade Federation (his indirect slavemasters) because he knew he wasn't going into the Jedi Order, and like Luke in the Death Star battle, he'd take a command role in the Naboo squadron. So there!

But you can't do any of that without recasting the film.

Not as much to say about The Clone War because Attack of the Clones is a better film than (if not as deep as) Phantom Menace

Good job on removing the obvious linkage between Dooku, Jango Fett, and Darth Sidious. At the end of your film, the viewer might be wondering if Count Dooku is in the right! Because we are pretty sure from Menace that Chancellor Palpatine is the Dark Lord of the Sith. And somehow Dooku knows this! So is he good or evil? Or neither?

I'm glad you removed the "your skin is soft, not like sand" line. That was really dumb. However, the scene where they kiss and the music swells, only to have her cut him off abruptly, is actually pretty funny. But then again, in The Clone War, they kiss for the first time at the Geonosian arena, and that REALLY has an impact. Now we know for sure that she is letting go of her inhibitions and letting herself love him, and it's a breakthru instead of a retread. So it works either way.

I actually missed the scenes in the field. Especially with them rolling around and her ending up on top of him... kind of sexy and innocent at the same time, like she let go for just a moment before catching herself

Personally, and most importantly, I think it was a mistake to cut the scene where Anakin and Padme discuss politics. (We find out that Darth Vader was a Young Republican... j/k) Seriously, I love this conversation, showing the idealism of Anakin, and the political pragmatism of Padme, foreshadowing how Anakin's simplistic ideals will be manipulated by Palpatine, and that he's got
an autocratic streak! But yet it's very lighthearted! If you could have found a way to include this scene without the "I'd be much too frightened to tease a Senator" line, but keep Natalie's distrustful gaze that ends the scene, that would have worked really well. But maybe this wasn't possible.

As it stands, The Clone War is helped greatly by including the Amidala family scenes. Nitpick: The scene of Natalie discussing the walrus kids who all died ends really abruptly. Maybe there was nothing else you could have done, given the way the scene was laid out on the extras reel. I haven't the Attack of the Clones DVD in a while so I don't remember.

The Shmi Skywalker gravesite scene is helped immensely without Anakin's god-awful "I miss you...... so...... much......" that probably made William Shatner cringe.

Oh yeah, nice touch on recoloring Dooku's saber. We've never seen this color in a Star Wars movie before. I could see the red underneath the yellow. Or could I? Not sure if you intended the color to be ambiguous, but it works since Dooku should be an ambiguous character.

Good job on editing out those horrible Threepio scenes of him clinging onto the treadmill, but leaving in the parts with his head attached to the battle droid.

One other thing, why oh why couldn't you have edited out the flying R2-D2? I swear this nearly made me walk out of the theatre when I saw it. It's the second worst thing in any Star Wars film. And everything reading this forum *knows* what the first is...

Again, in summary, your re-edits are far superior to the Ben Burtt hackjobs. I would say they are the closest things to the definitive versions that are out there. At this point, I am not sure which I am more excited about, Revenge of the Sith or your re-edit of it! But I can tell you this... when it does come out, I'm going to invite folks over before hand to watch your re-edits, not the "real" DVDs!

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I thought these movies were very well edited. Although, there are a couple spelling errors. Am I too picky?
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I noticed only two spelling errors.

In BOTF Jar Jar says "Say here, they can't hurt us."
and in TCW the title crawl says the word "seceed".

But that's all I noticed.

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Wow, I never noticed the "Say here..." one. The seceed and the aggravate ones I had been emailed about already.
I just kind of finished the subtitle tracks/crawls one night at like 2 am and never looked back.
Good to know for the DL version.
At the time, it wasn't really something I cared enough about to worry about fixing.
I take these edits a lot less seriously than you guys do.

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan

I take these edits a lot less seriously than you guys do.



And that is why you failed.......

I'm only kidding. I rewatched BOTF again last night. Really a bang up job, MF. Everytime I watch, the more and more it feels like cannon.
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"And that is why you failed....."

ROTF
MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
JediRandy: They're certainly beyond any repair you're capable of making.


MeBeJedi: You aren't one of us.
Go-Mer-Tonic: I can't say I find that very disappointing.


JediRandy: I won't suck as much as a fan edit.
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
I think you mean canon... "a principle accepted as valid and authoritative"
I'm not the only one who makes an occasional typo...


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