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Lucasfilm clarifies the future of the EU — Page 4

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DuracellEnergizer said:

If Wookieepedia's going to divide their articles to distinguish the old EU from the NuEU, they should go all out and also divide their articles to distinguish pre-TPM EU from TPM+ EU.

Jaster Mereel, better known as Boba Fett, was a Journeyman Protector and later a Bounty Hunter.

Dark Lord of the Sith is a title that was somehow passed down from Exar Kun to Darth Vader.

By the way, this post made me think of you, Duracell: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/official-sequel-trilogy-expanded-universe-discussion-thread.50006159/page-430#post-51482861

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I haven't read that LF article carefully. But did they even say they are discarding all EU. If I remember correctly they just said the new films will not limit themselves to post-ROTJ EU.

Because this does not change anything at all. Lucas always considered EU as something non-canon.

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imperialscum said:

did they even say they are discarding all EU

yes

https://twitter.com/jenheddle/status/459804317357076480

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 Tough to image how this can be a big thing to anybody. Unless you're an OT purist through-and-through, the whole Star Wars mythology is one giant mess even if only movies are considered - let alone all the books and games, and TV shows. Saying there's continuity in Star Wars is like saying there's no steroids in professional sports.

On top of that, EU has always been just fan-fiction. Better funded, better marketed - yes - but still fan fiction. So if you're a Star Wars fan with a Star Wars story - in the world of EU - you're on the same ground as everyone else.

So be it a comic book by Darkhorse, an animated show on Cartoon Network, a fan-[re]written Episode II script posted on OriginalTrilogy.com or a 5 minute long YouTube video about the origins of Darth Maul shot by a bunch of 8th graders -  at the end of the day, the quality of the story is what matters, what will make your story "count", become "canon" to people.

You gotta good SW story? Let me hear it and take it into consideration. That's how EU should work and how it  has worked for me. So they can reboot it all they want, I will keep pick-and-choosing the stories I like anyway.

P.S. With all this said, though, I like what Disney is doing. It will give EU a bit more focus.

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Star Wars, at least as long as I've been around to observe it, has always had a ~two-tiered continuity. The first is ~G-canon, which comprises the theatrical films and their adaptations, as well as whatever George Lucas has directly influenced AND cares to include. (I.e., The Clone Wars is G-canon but the Holiday Special is not.)

The second level is ~C-canon, being most of the EU as we've known it. It's not at that higher level of canon, though it's still valid unless contradicted by something G-canon. There are some Star Wars works that do not even make it up to this level of canon that, to me, are outside of continuity altogether. 

This recent announcement seems, at first blush, to say that all C-canon material is now pushed down to being outside of continuity. In reality, I think it's more of a blanket statement that they are not going to go out of their way to be consistent with past EU. In other words, what was C-canon will remain such, though it's all on probation and can be erased at a moment's notice by something G-canon (or D-canon?). In that sense, it's really not anything new. 

So you can have your Darth Plagueis or Shadows Of The Empire novels, and they'll still basically be C-canon unless new material going forward contradicts it. These two examples should be relatively safe from immediate danger, whereas stuff like The Thrawn Trilogy will certainly be precluded by new content pretty quickly.

I hope I don't sound like I'm griping; this is the sort of mental exercise that is fun about a fictional universe. We're just not usually asked to engage in it with so much material all at once. 

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Indeed it could just be a blanket statement, and if that's the case it doesn't really change anything. All they'd really be saying is that, going forward, everything will be on the same level as everything else. The "legends" thing might simply be a two-level distinction (G-Canon vs non-G-canon) for the layman that doesn't get into the more elaborate multi-tiered heirarchy of canon.

I'm hoping it doesn't mean a nullification of the EU, because as others have said, they'd be overwriting a whole lot of great stories in addition to the less well-recieved stuff.

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I just realized that this means the Holiday Special is no longer canon! It's about time such silly things get bumped out of official continuity.

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RicOlie_2 said:

AWK wants to completely ignore the decision and pretend everything is still the same. The rest of the people there seem to have pretty good suggestions. I like the idea of having two different tabs for every article.

 Hey, have you heard of AdamWanKenobi?  He's a weirdo who once polluted this site, before my time.  I've read about him though, and he's pretty gross.  So his opinion doesn't matter anyway.

Ok, that's a silly ad hominem argument, and I understand it isn't valid.  I'm just playing.  It's just funny to see him again!  I do agree that different tabs makes sense.

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Indeed, I have heard about him, hence the local abbreviation of his name. ;) I've encountered his posts in old threads, and yes, he seems to have been a bit of a sicko. I doubt his ideas will be given any thought, though, since his suggestions are pretty terrible.

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RicOlie_2 said:

I just realized that this means the Holiday Special is no longer canon! It's about time such silly things get bumped out of official continuity.

Damn, you're right! What a downright bummer!

Oh, well -- I'll just drown my sorrows with copious amounts of booze.

 

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Aside from Chewie's family appearing elsewhere, and a Boba Fett action figure painted in HS cartoon colors, I never saw any sign the events of the HS were actually canon?

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Star Wars has become so bogged down with third rate writers and overall terrible design decisions it's become literally impossible to take it as a whole without finding it a contrived mess not worth the effort to get invested in.

I simply pick and choose the areas I consider canon, and have disregarded the vast majority of it anyway. 

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Its going to get interesting when marvel re-starts the comics and they are cranking out stuff month after month that has no obligation to line up with anything at all (and will actually be designed specifically for new people to jump in easily). Soon enough, some writer will draw on a character or event from the old stuff that makes it "official" again. The EU diehards will have a cow if their particular favorite thing doesn't make the cut.

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^I bet we'll see some cool* disembowelment-by-lightsaber action, too.

 

*And when I say "cool", I really mean "bullshit".

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Fang Zei said:

Indeed it could just be a blanket statement, and if that's the case it doesn't really change anything. All they'd really be saying is that, going forward, everything will be on the same level as everything else. The "legends" thing might simply be a two-level distinction (G-Canon vs non-G-canon) for the layman that doesn't get into the more elaborate multi-tiered heirarchy of canon.

I'm hoping it doesn't mean a nullification of the EU, because as others have said, they'd be overwriting a whole lot of great stories in addition to the less well-recieved stuff.

 Even if it's not, it's not a bad way to treat it.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

^I bet we'll see some cool* disembowelment-by-lightsaber action, too.

 

*And when I say "cool", I really mean "bullshit".

 I think it all depends on whether the Disney name actually appears anywhere. Disney owns Marvel, but the company logo has yet to appear on a superhero comic or film?

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RicOlie_2 said:

I just realized that this means the Holiday Special is no longer canon! It's about time such silly things get bumped out of official continuity.

 Watch your mouth kid, or you're gonna find yourself floating home. 

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Sorry, I didn't realize you valued the Holiday Special as official continuity. I figured that most people would be glad that that monstrosity isn't canon anymore. I'll show more respect for it in the future, I promise. ;)

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The fact George hates it, and it's continued existence annoys him, makes me happy.

I still cling to the hope Disney releases the sucker, and gets the cast to do a group commentary. :)

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RicOlie_2 said:

Sorry, I didn't realize you valued the Holiday Special as official continuity. I figured that most people would be glad that that monstrosity isn't canon anymore. I'll show more respect for it in the future, I promise. ;)

I consider it semi-canon for the sheer fact that I love the idea that something so bizarre could exist within the SW Universe.

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For all it's faults, it did show us how the rebellion operates on a local level. It isn't all commando raids and stealing battle station plans. It can also be acting helpful and friendly to your local Imperials while gathering intel, and covering up suspicious stormtrooper deaths.

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Interesting read if you want to know how the fuck Wookieepedia is reacting to all this: 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:SH:The_Great_EU_Purge_(New_Canon;Legends_discussion)?t=20140428034101

 Yeeesh. Some of these guys are bananas. 

 I don't mean to be dense (it just comes naturally), but I cannot make sense of the blogosphere\nerdom implosion over this. It's a business decision by Disney.  Granted it's one I don't care for**, but it doesn't change the published stories.

Personal Canon is all that matters.  See\read what you like and discard the rest.  All of this is make believe. Yet there are people on TFN and Wookieepedia who are seriously distraught over how their world has been ruined.

They're acting as though something has changed other than a business model\ direction.  They're saying things like they need this to change, or need something or other to be officially dealt with, officially addressed, they can't move on until some such has been corrected, etc, etc.

Are they incapable of thinking for themselves?  Incapable of having imaginations, or ideas?  FFS !   As the Yellow Submarine three-sheet hanging on the wall in my office says;  Nothing Is Real.

** My dislike of the decision is purely selfish.  I would love a Mara Jade\Talon Karrde film. I'd dig seeing Booster Terrik and the Errant Venture realized. The Outer Rim stories, to me, are infinitely  more interesting than the tiny Lucasverse.  Beyond what I'd like to see in a theater, "Official" canon" is just "Official" noise.

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The solution for Wookieepedia is not that difficult, as Star Trek's Memory Alpha already crossed this bridge. There's a separate wiki, called Memory Beta, for non/lesser-canon (ie all books, comics, etc).

ROTJ Storyboard Reconstruction Project

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Anchorhead said:

Baronlando said:

DominicCobb said:

Interesting read if you want to know how the fuck Wookieepedia is reacting to all this: 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:SH:The_Great_EU_Purge_(New_Canon;Legends_discussion)?t=20140428034101

 Yeeesh. Some of these guys are bananas. 

 I don't mean to be dense (it just comes naturally), but I cannot make sense of the blogosphere\nerdom implosion over this. It's a business decision by Disney.  Granted it's one I don't care for**, but it doesn't change the published stories.

 I'm learning to not underestimate the sheer obsessive need for stuff to fit together in this little Star Wars bubble. There's no others way to explain how a notion as ludicrous and laughable as pasting an actor from 2005 into a movie from 1983 can fly, anywhere else that would be laughed out the door, but with these guys "it just fits better!," Oh, okay well that makes sense.