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generalfrevious said:

Sluggo said:

generalfrevious said:

Fixed.

To be fair, I wasn't crying when I wrote this, only angry. And what's with this persecution of pessimists?

It's a internet meme.  First world problems and all that.  They are actually pretty funny if you care to look some of them up.

As for pessimists, I'm trying to be hopeful regarding the situation and poking back at the pessimists is just defensive.  It's never anything personal with anyone, I'm just trying to keep a chin up.

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greenpenguino said:

George Lucas: Changes are not unusual — I mean, most movies when they release them they make changes.

Oh yeah George???

Name one.

Or better yet, name three.

Name the latest three movies that have been released that were 'changed'.

Let's see... Harry Potter 1-however many their are... umm, Avatar, hmmm.... Well, every movie ever. You do realize that by the time the original theatrical Star Wars movies had made it to home video they had already been altered by the publishing company, right? Riiight.

I say never release the originals. Keep the fans talking about something.

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I am unaware of any changes made to Return of the Jedi between 1983 and 1986, when it first hit home video.

As most of those other films are available in both versions in equal quality, it's a moot point.

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Paramecium302 said:

greenpenguino said:

George Lucas: Changes are not unusual — I mean, most movies when they release them they make changes.

Oh yeah George???

Name one.

Or better yet, name three.

Name the latest three movies that have been released that were 'changed'.

Let's see... Harry Potter 1-however many their are... umm, Avatar, hmmm.... Well, every movie ever. You do realize that by the time the original theatrical Star Wars movies had made it to home video they had already been altered by the publishing company, right? Riiight.

It is entirely atypical for movies to be altered from their theatrical release. If you can name 100 movies that have been altered, I can name you 10, 000 movies that have not.

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The one thing I take solace from when George goes off on one of these megalomaniac rants is that he is getting increasingly more defensive and subversive about Star Wars, which suggests that the pressure to release the OOT is growing and starting to bite into him a bit. I dare say that there are many people high up in the film industry that have mentioned it to him more than once. That combined with the constant stream of criticism on the internet has started to show signs of really wearing on him.

I still don't necessarily believe it will convince him to change his mind, but I do feel it's starting to become more of an issue for him than it has previously. He can't just simply wave his hand dismissively any more. When films like Blade Runner, Terminator 2, Avatar, Spider-man 2 etc. can have every version of them presented in the same Blu-ray set (even occasionally on the same disk) with minimal effort, George's claim that it's too hard to do it for Star Wars becomes more and more transparent. Compare the vitriol of the 2011 release to the 2004 release and you can see a massive jump in the level of backlash. That has to count for something in George's head, even if he himself won't admit it. Plus let's not forget that the OOT has in fact been released on every major format since home video started (except Blu-ray obviously). Granted, the DVD release was just a Laserdisc port, but non-the-less.

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George Lucas: If you look at Blade Runner, it’s been cut sixteen ways from Sunday and there are all kinds of different versions of it. Star Wars, there’s basically one version — it just keeps getting improved a little bit as we move forward. … All art is technology and it improves every year. Whether it’s on the stage or in music or in painting, there are technological answers that happen, and because movies are so technological, the advances become more obvious. 

Star Wars the software. It's unfortunate that it isn't advertised as such then, Star Wars beta, 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 and so forth. People are buying work in progress after all.

Lucas: Well, it’s not a religious event. I hate to tell people that. It’s a movie, just a movie.

If only Lucas would see it that way.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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zombie84 said:

I think a large part of this has to do with the fact that George Lucas isn't a regular, integrated part of society. The world he lives in is not the same as yours and mine. He can't go check out a movie theatre saturday night, or take the subway downtown. He can't just go with a friend to a comedy club, or take a walk around the neighbourhood when he is feeling restless. He can't go window shop on sunday afternoon with his girlfriend, or take his kids to the local baseball game. He's not going to have a conversation with the guy standing next to him in line at the bank, because he doesn't line up at the bank in the first place, and he can't walk into a comic book shop and see what's out this week.

These are all things normal people do, and things that people here do. Mostly, Lucas doesn't go out at all, and when he does it's usually just for work purposes.

Think about that. Think about what that does to a person, and how it affects the way they see the world and how they understand their own culture.

But, in fact, George Lucas the person is hardly a part of 21st century American culture (or any culture, really). He has a sense of it, and memories from the 70s when he could be a free member within it, but he doesn't experience or understand it the way normal people do. It simply isn't possible.

I think that's a big reason why a lot of his views in the last decade or two have become increasingly warped. He's not a lunatic--he just doesn't have a clue. In a way, it's not really his fault, it's simply what happened, and he tried to resist for so long, to his credit--he tried to be ordinary, to not let the fame and fortune change him. He bought a Corvette, but it was used, he built a mansion, but it was for work, and he still walked around in tennis sneakers and flannel. People in the late 70s used to compliment him on how ordinary he remained in spite of great wealth--and Lucas used to say that is why his films were successful. "I'm ordinary, and its the same ordinary of my viewers, so I understand them and how to entertain them," he (paraphrasing here) said around 1980, and it was probably largely true. He said in 1981, Star Wars is just a movie and people shouldn't get so hung up on it. He could say such a thing back then. It was a fad, with lots of merchandising and a cultural footprint, but it hadn't been enshrined in history, it still was, largely, just a popular film.

But there is only so long you can resist against such a lifestyle. After three or four years, sure, he seemed the same. But after eight years, twelve years, twenty years--with  each year bringing him even more wealth and fame than the one before it (except 1984-1990)--it catches up.

So now, you have him saying people want Han to be coldblooded and nonesense like that, ascribing various motives and thoughts to some fans. But he has no clue really. He may log on the internet from time to time and spend an hour browsing around, he probably still reads the daily newspaper, and he surely get reports from his staff and marketing guys about "the buzz", a sort of briefing on what people are saying and what's happening. But its not like he could know anything from experience. He lives in his own world, and he convinces himself of certain things, plus the brief glimpses he gets from sources like meetings and the internet. But all that stuff I mentioned at the beginning? The subways, the shopping, the movie theatres? He largely doesn't do that. He doesn't exist in our culture anymore, in the regular sense. He has his own culture, and his own world, with its own population of staff and such, plus a small circle of family and a few friends who are also mainly celebrities of some kind.

I think that explains a lot of this disconnect not only in his statements but also the disconnect in his films. He's this super-powerful billionaire who has led a life of relative isolation for the better part of 30 years now, apart from the normal world. How could he have a clue about what the 21st century is like for all of us reading this? How could he make a meaningful film for such audiences? He tried, and it's not like it was a total failure, but the huge shortcomings come from the shortcomings of Lucas the human being, and I'm not talking about his skills with grammar or lack of directing panache. And because he is the one who often dictates company policy, a lot of things Lucasfilm does these days is equally out of whack.

I guess that is the downside of not having to have a care in the world and being able to do pretty much anything.

As usual, great insights from Zombie. Ultimately when a person amasses enough power that he can isolate himself from his fellows, he will soon lose the ability to relate to them, and vice versa. That is what Peter Green said of Alexander the Great's status following his conquest of the Perisan Empire, but I think it applies equally well to George Lucas.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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theprequelsrule said:

As usual, great insights from Zombie. Ultimately when a person amasses enough power that he can isolate himself from his fellows, he will soon lose the ability to relate to them, and vice versa. That is what Peter Green said of Alexander the Great's status following his conquest of the Perisan Empire, but I think it applies equally well to George Lucas.

you can isolate yourself from people just fine,

without having a ton of money. i personally try to stay

as far away from people as possible, and haven't

had to relate to them in the last several years

(or decades).. the only times i do now, are

when i force myself to. (no pun intended)

 

yeah, i'm pretty deluded/crazy/isolated at times too.

i don't think money is the key factor here. it's an

attitude that all grumpy/cynical/negative people have.

 

later

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negative1 said:

i personally try to stay as far away from people as possible, and haven't

had to relate to them in the last several years

"Hell is other people." --Sartre

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zombie84 said:

Paramecium302 said:

greenpenguino said:

George Lucas: Changes are not unusual — I mean, most movies when they release them they make changes.

Oh yeah George???

Name one.

Or better yet, name three.

Name the latest three movies that have been released that were 'changed'.

Let's see... Harry Potter 1-however many their are... umm, Avatar, hmmm.... Well, every movie ever. You do realize that by the time the original theatrical Star Wars movies had made it to home video they had already been altered by the publishing company, right? Riiight.

It is entirely atypical for movies to be altered from their theatrical release. If you can name 100 movies that have been altered, I can name you 10, 000 movies that have not.

Fair enough.

I say never release the originals. Keep the fans talking about something.

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CatBus said:

negative1 said:

i personally try to stay as far away from people as possible, and haven't

had to relate to them in the last several years

"Hell is other people." --Sartre

I work retail, I'll tell you stories.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Mike O said:

CatBus said:

negative1 said:

i personally try to stay as far away from people as possible, and haven't

had to relate to them in the last several years

"Hell is other people." --Sartre

I work retail, I'll tell you stories.

Did Courtney Love ever come into your store completely f---ed up?  Did a crazy guy ever try to reorganize the stock on your shelves SORTED BY COLOR (this was a record store, not a paint store)?  If not, I got you beat ;)

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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SilverWook said:

Where's George? Can you find him? ;)

 Guy in the robot suit, right?

 

What do I win?

 

PS- looks like I'llBombYa in the Buck Rodgers robot dome helmet back there.  Bonus points?

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Tobar said:

 Damn is that art shitty.  Life must have been unbearable before VCRs.

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Sayeth Silverwook:

 

 

...the myth of the red and blue 3D glasses remains...

 

As does the myth, started by the opening sequence of Lupin III, regarding the effectiveness of crotch-based extendo-punch attacks.

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I was going through the extras of Gangs of New York, and apparently George Lucas came and visited the set. He kept complaining about why they were building actual sets or something, and he said it should've all been done digitally. Mr Scorsese ignored him.

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greenpenguino said:

I was going through the extras of Gangs of New York, and apparently George Lucas came and visited the set. He kept complaining about why they were building actual sets or something, and he said it should've all been done digitally. Mr Scorsese ignored him.

 

Nothing would please me more than a public statement by his "pals". Marty, Francis, De Palma, etc.

Like off the cuff comments, not intending to be harsh, in an interview about something semi-related, where they just blurt out "...his (Lucas) obsession with digital technology is a little one sided, it's a tool but a tool to use sparingly. He should've released his original movies by now in hi-def, I'm still waiting myself!"

One can dream right? lol I wonder what's the chance Marty said in his mind: "Yeah ok, fuck off now Georgie".

 

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Good for Mr. Scorcese!

 

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RATLSNAKE said:

greenpenguino said:

I was going through the extras of Gangs of New York, and apparently George Lucas came and visited the set. He kept complaining about why they were building actual sets or something, and he said it should've all been done digitally. Mr Scorsese ignored him.

 

Nothing would please me more than a public statement by his "pals". Marty, Francis, De Palma, etc.

Like off the cuff comments, not intending to be harsh, in an interview about something semi-related, where they just blurt out "...his (Lucas) obsession with digital technology is a little one sided, it's a tool but a tool to use sparingly. He should've released his original movies by now in hi-def, I'm still waiting myself!"

One can dream right? lol I wonder what's the chance Marty said in his mind: "Yeah ok, fuck off now Georgie".

 

I do remember, or perhaps misremember, that when the theatrical version of E.T. was announced to be the one on the Blu-Ray disc, Spielberg talked about how he felt he was done with altering his own films and would look to the future instead of the past. I think he said that he felt that he saw his priorities in this situation as being different from those of Lucas. 

 

 

CatBus said:

Mike O said:

CatBus said:

negative1 said:

i personally try to stay as far away from people as possible, and haven't

had to relate to them in the last several years

"Hell is other people." --Sartre

I work retail, I'll tell you stories.

Did Courtney Love ever come into your store completely f---ed up?  Did a crazy guy ever try to reorganize the stock on your shelves SORTED BY COLOR (this was a record store, not a paint store)?  If not, I got you beat ;)

You have me, beat then, no questions, but all of the scammers, whiners, and idiots do not do my misanthropy and ever-dwindling faith in the human race any favors :p.

 

SilverWook said:

Good for Mr. Scorcese!


Yeah, whether you like Scorsese's films or not, he's been very active in film restoration and he's one of the few who still shoots on film, so I say more power to him. He's followed his own vision and stuck to his own aesthetics, sometimes with commercially rocky results. 


 

 

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Mike O said:

I do remember, or perhaps misremember, that when the theatrical version of E.T. was announced to be the one on the Blu-Ray disc, Spielbergentioked how he felt he was done with altering his own films and would look to the future instead of the past. I think he said that he felt that he saw his priorities in this situation as being different from those of Lucas. 

This is true.  I can't recall it exactly, but you would find it here somewhere on the site.  The quote appeared in some film site sites and media too.

Not quite harsh enough, but you can see Steven doesn't agree. Hell, Indi 4 would've been even more whacked out if George was the sole owner of that property.

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TV's Frink said:

Mike O said:


Spielbergentioked 

Uh...

 That's where schpilckus is most commonly contracted.

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Look, this forum is NOT condusive to use on a mobile phone, I have to do the best I can with what I have!

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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WOW. Does he actually believe half the crap that he says?

If you look at Blade Runner, it’s been cut sixteen ways from Sunday and there are all kinds of different versions of it. Star Wars, there’s basically one version — it just keeps getting improved a little bit as we move forward.

Well if you look at Ridley Scott he hates making changes to his films. He only did Alien "Director's Cut" because they told him they were making an extended version for the Quadrilogy DVD and he didn't want that. Unlike Lucas he doesn't get to be the producer as well as the director; Lucas has no argument because he's the producer so he has the final say on the final cut of the thatrical version! He only made the Blade Runner "Final Cut" because it's what fans wanted; and all the changes were respectful. You didn't see him trying to replace all the repeated elements like the neon signs and those stupid pillars that give away to a vgetran audience that all they did to make a "new street" was move around the objects on it! You don't suddenly have Zora shooting first because Harrison Ford isn't a "cold blooded killer". Oh and by the way, they released all 5 versions including the Workprint that was never originally intended for public distribution and only existed to the public through illegal trading of bootlegs!!!!

Plus, Scott has made soooo many more good movies than Lucas did.

Maybe he can improve Indy 4 for us by inserting imperial stormtroopers riding dewbacks?

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