Well, Lucas is still alive and making money, and Katie is being groomed to take over her father's position. We are still no closer to getting the OOT in an official and presentable release than we were 10 years ago, so getting over it is not really an option right now.
generalfrevious said:
Fixed.
I don't get the pessimism either.
If George and his progeny are too stubborn (and stupid) to profit from multiple versions of the films, the fans will pick up the slack. In fact, they already have.
27% The Vow $41.7M
53% Safe House $39.3M
42% Journey 2: The Mysterious Island $27.6M
57% Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (in 3D) $23.0M
Sluggo said:
generalfrevious said:
Fixed.
To be fair, I wasn't crying when I wrote this, only angry. And what's with this persecution of pessimists?
generalfrevious said:
And what's with this persecution of pessimists?
I'm a pessimist myself. I also believe that GL will never release the OOT and that when he dies, Katie will only make things even worse.
That's still not the end of the world. The fan edits and reconstructions just get better and better as time goes on.
Maybe if more and more people stop giving this man money, he'll get the picture. I'm sure he was shocked that TPM3D didn't debut at #1.
It's more a matter of irritation toward drama-queens than of persecution of pessimists.
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
They love The Phantom Menace 3D over on TFN. Some even seeing it multiple times."sigh". Just what George wants.
I still live in hope that one day the 00T will get a decent release. The odds just keep getting stacked up against us though.
Wolfman said:
They love The Phantom Menace 3D over on TFN. Some even seeing it multiple times."sigh". Just what George wants.
What's their excuse for the 4th place debut? Because those 3 movies that beat it look pretty lousy so I don't think the "tough competition" excuse works in this case.
Akwat Kbrana said:
It's more a matter of irritation toward drama-queens than ofpersecution of pessimists.
Drama-king would be more accurate.
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evan1975 said:
What's their excuse for the 4th place debut? Because those 3 movies that beat it look pretty lousy so I don't think the "tough competition" excuse works in this case.
I could only read some while biting down on a piece of wood.
Most of it is about the Prequel haters being destroyed.
A stronger man than me can read the rest !!
generalfrevious said:
Well, Lucas is still alive and making money, and Katie is being groomed to take over her father's position. We are still no closer to getting the OOT in an official and presentable release than we were 10 years ago, so getting over it is not really an option right now.
1) OOT
2) Official
3) Presentable
Pick any 2. I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3. I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.
generalfrevious said:
Akwat Kbrana said:
It's more a matter of irritation toward drama-queens than ofpersecution of pessimists.
Drama-king would be more accurate.
Denotatively, perhaps. Connotatively, drama-queen is a far more accurate descriptor.
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
CatBus said:
generalfrevious said:
Well, Lucas is still alive and making money, and Katie is being groomed to take over her father's position. We are still no closer to getting the OOT in an official and presentable release than we were 10 years ago, so getting over it is not really an option right now.
1) OOT
2) Official
3) Presentable
Pick any 2. I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3. I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.
Why should we pick only two? Every single film except the SW films allows you to have all three options. But no, GL is such a psychotic monster that he forces you to choose between official and presentable. That is fucking unjust and no person should have to subject themselves to GL's pretzel logic.
generalfrevious said:
Why should we pick only two? Every single film except the SW films allows you to have all three options. But no, GL is such a psychotic monster that he forces you to choose between official and presentable. That is fucking unjust and no person should have to subject themselves to GL's pretzel logic.
Okay, let's try out this prioritization test. Which of these statements to you feel the most/least sympathy for, or are you equal on all three?
1) Boycott the official BD's, because they aren't the OOT.
2) Boycott the GOUT discs, because they aren't presentable.
3) Boycott fan preservations, because they aren't official.
My guess is, perfectly justifiable indignation aside, you're already well on the road to resolving this issue to your own personal satisfaction.
CatBus said:
generalfrevious said:
Why should we pick only two? Every single film except the SW films allows you to have all three options. But no, GL is such a psychotic monster that he forces you to choose between official and presentable. That is fucking unjust and no person should have to subject themselves to GL's pretzel logic.
Okay, let's try out this prioritization test. Which of these statements to you feel the most/least sympathy for, or are you equal on all three?
1) Boycott the official BD's, because they aren't the OOT.
2) Boycott the GOUT discs, because they aren't presentable.
3) Boycott fan preservations, because they aren't official.
My guess is, perfectly justifiable indignation aside, you're already well on the road to resolving this issue to your own personal satisfaction.
I would boycott the BDs, because the OOT is not on there (which should be a no brainer). If there was a good fan preservation on Blu, I would probably get it; but has anyone made one. The GOUT is not presentable, yes, but they will have to do. But that's not the point.
The problem is Lucas. That is why I am so angry and melodramatic here, because he is an untalented hack who took credit from others, and is arrogant to the point that we have to resort to fan preservations to see the originals. I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895. The SW trilogy are the only films we don't have legally, because of one man's psychosis.
generalfrevious said: I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895.
Master Qui-Gon opines :
I wish that were so.
generalfrevious said:
I would boycott the BDs, because the OOT is not on there (which should be a no brainer). If there was a good fan preservation on Blu, I would probably get it; but has anyone made one. The GOUT is not presentable, yes, but they will have to do. But that's not the point.
The problem is Lucas. That is why I am so angry and melodramatic here, because he is an untalented hack who took credit from others, and is arrogant to the point that we have to resort to fan preservations to see the originals. I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895. The SW trilogy are the only films we don't have legally, because of one man's psychosis.
The point I guess I'm trying to make is that you can separate the moral issues of Lucas-is-bad from the practical issues of can't-get-OOT-must-despair. Frankly you can already get the OOT in better quality than the GOUT--that's a given, right now. IMO opinion you can already get unquestionably-better-than-GOUT Empire in HD (AVCHD, not Blu Ray unless you remux it), and pretty soon you'll have the option for unquestionably-better-than-GOUT-and-pretty-much-Blu-Ray-equivalent Star Wars. Blu Ray equivalency in the OOT from non-official sources is inevitable as far as I'm concerned.
Which doesn't mean Lucas suddenly isn't a bad guy anymore. It just means he gets demoted from a "destroyer of cultural works", to a mere "yet another jackoff who attempted to destroy cultural works, but failed". Which makes him a forgettable footnote in history, which I think, long term, is just perfect.
generalfrevious said:
I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895.
That's not even remotely true.
generalfrevious said:
I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895.
Er, something like 85% of feature silent films have been lost. You might want to change your 1895 to something like 1940.
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I'm still waiting for Moon Trap to be released on DVD. That was released in 1989, I believe.
(PS: Just kidding, that movie is pretty crappy).
CatBus said:
generalfrevious said:
Well, Lucas is still alive and making money, and Katie is being groomed to take over her father's position. We are still no closer to getting the OOT in an official and presentable release than we were 10 years ago, so getting over it is not really an option right now.
1) OOT
2) Official
3) Presentable
Pick any 2. I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3. I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.
Uh huh, and THX-1138? Fan preservations are for a smal clique of people and aren't going to be remembered down the road. There's a larger issue we have no way of controlling. Unlike the general, it doesn't make me wail with Shakespearean despair, but it does make me realize that we're never, ever getting the OOT properly restored and that in the major public consciousness, Lucas has won the battle and succeeded in what he wants.
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
We just have to keep the pressure going. If doomsday comes without an official OUT release, if we "lose"... well, you can't lose what you never had to begin with. But if we win, we win BIG. So why abandon the cause, especially after the BRD's caused all that scandal and controversy?
I see no reason to give up hope.
Incidentally...
CatBus said:
1) OOT
2) Official
3) Presentable
Pick any 2. I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3. I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.
This is a brilliant distillation of the conflict we face.
All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.
eiyosus said:
I'm still waiting for Moon Trap to be released on DVD. That was released in 1989, I believe.
(PS: Just kidding, that movie is pretty crappy).
It's better than Apollo 18, which I thought borrowed more than a bit from it. ;)
Where were you in '77?
