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LOL

This is classic.  Had it not been from a legit source, I would've said that's a fake article, because no adult would make such invalid, deluded statements.

The largest of those, the reference to Blade Runner.  Georgie boy, guess what, there have been many cuts of Blade Runner. But unlike your deluded self, Sir Ridley Scott was good enough to offer up 5 cuts to us, and RESTORED, which we happily bought.

George, you're an insecure brat, stuck in adults body.  I really feel sorry for you, despite your fortune which I'm sure you try to keep yourself happy with.

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Yeah, that Blade Runner reference is priceless. He's basically making OUR argument with that one. What a dolt.

But I love how he gets pissed in every interview now about how people are upset with all the changes. I'm glad it's bugging him.

Also, FWIW, last I checked, Red Tails didn't even make back what it cost to shoot.

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I think a large part of this has to do with the fact that George Lucas isn't a regular, integrated part of society. The world he lives in is not the same as yours and mine. He can't go check out a movie theatre saturday night, or take the subway downtown. He can't just go with a friend to a comedy club, or take a walk around the neighbourhood when he is feeling restless. He can't go window shop on sunday afternoon with his girlfriend, or take his kids to the local baseball game. He's not going to have a conversation with the guy standing next to him in line at the bank, because he doesn't line up at the bank in the first place, and he can't walk into a comic book shop and see what's out this week.

These are all things normal people do, and things that people here do. Mostly, Lucas doesn't go out at all, and when he does it's usually just for work purposes.

Think about that. Think about what that does to a person, and how it affects the way they see the world and how they understand their own culture.

But, in fact, George Lucas the person is hardly a part of 21st century American culture (or any culture, really). He has a sense of it, and memories from the 70s when he could be a free member within it, but he doesn't experience or understand it the way normal people do. It simply isn't possible.

I think that's a big reason why a lot of his views in the last decade or two have become increasingly warped. He's not a lunatic--he just doesn't have a clue. In a way, it's not really his fault, it's simply what happened, and he tried to resist for so long, to his credit--he tried to be ordinary, to not let the fame and fortune change him. He bought a Corvette, but it was used, he built a mansion, but it was for work, and he still walked around in tennis sneakers and flannel. People in the late 70s used to compliment him on how ordinary he remained in spite of great wealth--and Lucas used to say that is why his films were successful. "I'm ordinary, and its the same ordinary of my viewers, so I understand them and how to entertain them," he (paraphrasing here) said around 1980, and it was probably largely true. He said in 1981, Star Wars is just a movie and people shouldn't get so hung up on it. He could say such a thing back then. It was a fad, with lots of merchandising and a cultural footprint, but it hadn't been enshrined in history, it still was, largely, just a popular film.

But there is only so long you can resist against such a lifestyle. After three or four years, sure, he seemed the same. But after eight years, twelve years, twenty years--with  each year bringing him even more wealth and fame than the one before it (except 1984-1990)--it catches up.

So now, you have him saying people want Han to be coldblooded and nonesense like that, ascribing various motives and thoughts to some fans. But he has no clue really. He may log on the internet from time to time and spend an hour browsing around, he probably still reads the daily newspaper, and he surely get reports from his staff and marketing guys about "the buzz", a sort of briefing on what people are saying and what's happening. But its not like he could know anything from experience. He lives in his own world, and he convinces himself of certain things, plus the brief glimpses he gets from sources like meetings and the internet. But all that stuff I mentioned at the beginning? The subways, the shopping, the movie theatres? He largely doesn't do that. He doesn't exist in our culture anymore, in the regular sense. He has his own culture, and his own world, with its own population of staff and such, plus a small circle of family and a few friends who are also mainly celebrities of some kind.

I think that explains a lot of this disconnect not only in his statements but also the disconnect in his films. He's this super-powerful billionaire who has led a life of relative isolation for the better part of 30 years now, apart from the normal world. How could he have a clue about what the 21st century is like for all of us reading this? How could he make a meaningful film for such audiences? He tried, and it's not like it was a total failure, but the huge shortcomings come from the shortcomings of Lucas the human being, and I'm not talking about his skills with grammar or lack of directing panache. And because he is the one who often dictates company policy, a lot of things Lucasfilm does these days is equally out of whack.

I guess that is the downside of not having to have a care in the world and being able to do pretty much anything.

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Wasn't there one interview that aired around 1999, that showed him walking down the street into his favorite burger joint though? The mobbing fanboys were noticeably absent.

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Any time there is a camera crew there, the location has been booked, release forms secured, plus security and possibly even police to lock the location off. As someone mentioned regarding the scenes of him writing, this stuff is regularly staged. I was a reality-TV DP for a few years and this is always how this stuff is done, just because you have to.

He probably does occasionally do something like this though. He drives himself around too, and takes his kids to school when they were younger, and I'm sure he does other "normal" things; it's not like he is a prisoner in his house. But it's not like the way you and I live. Mega-celebrities simply can't go about their business like us, although sometimes they try.

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You'd think he don some clever disguise, and sit in on some screenings this weekend. ;)

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its funny you mention these things Zombie because I also think despite his dedication to cutting edge technologies, there isn't a filmmaker more poorly suited for 21 century filmmaking.  Its not just art-house and serious dramas that demand strong actors, directors and storytelling - people want these from blockbusters as well (except maybe transformers, lol.  but how the hell does michael bay continue to get such great casts!?)

thing is, and correct me if Im wrong, lucas does NOT live at skywalker ranch.  He lives in San Rafael.  so he is not cut-off from civilization. he just dislikes people unless they are sycophants.

As for him saying that films are cut and modified without directors consent - well, I hope for his sake there is no truth to the rumor that the director of red tails was fired and lucas took control (I don't buy for one second that those were just normal reshoots and pickups).

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The director of RT seems to have done some online media interviews, but it was George pimping the movie in all the usual places.

With Lucas not being a member of the Director's Guild anymore, I wonder how that works when selecting a director for a Lucasfilm project?

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The disconnect between Young Lucas and Old Lucas is simply ludicrous at this point (and I'm not talking about the waistline & fourth chin).  I simply can't believe that the nerdy guy fascinated by the cerebral aspect of motion pictures (as seen in 'Maker of Films') would turn into such a clueless hack.

When I was young, and listened to Yoda's warnings about the dangers of the dark side (quicker, easier, more seductive), I wondered what kinds of adult lessons he was referring to.  And now I know.  "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny" indeed.    

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Well... F*** you too George!

Seriously the sooner some pristine 35mm prints of the OT end up in the hands of fans, the better. It's pretty obvious now that the only way George will ever restore and release them properly is if there's already a pirated version out on the internet stealing his business. Nothing matters more to George than money... Except obviously suppressing and destroying film history. That's clearly more important than money.

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That's it.

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

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SilverWook said:

You'd think he don some clever disguise, and sit in on some screenings this weekend. ;)

Remember Chaplin? ;-) Lucas could go as he is and the audience would say that his "costume" is not realistic enough.

Well, Lucas gave another interview. And I have to say that I am giving up hope that he will ever release the original versions. What makes me really sad is that I don't give a damn anymore. Sure, my VHS tapes look like shit. But they are real and I can touch them (and watch them). I know that the colors are off, the resolution is crappy and so on.

I just read this (a review of TPM 3D):

Almost 13 years ago, George Lucas brought out the first of his hugely anticipated Star Wars prequel trilogy, and it turned out to be the biggest, dampest squib of modern times. It was a pop-culture calamity, a soulless, passionless film whose only real effect was to smudge the happy memories of the three originals.

And I realized that this is all he does. Smudge the happy memories. I hope that sooner or later we will have the original versions in great quality and we will be able to tell Lucas to go somewhere else with his vision.

I still hope for the original versions from some of the talented people here and not by Lucas. Because he would find a way to smudge the memories again.

Sorry, if I got a little too emotional there but I have finally given up on Lucas. (Not on Star Wars, though.)

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I think a large part of this has to do with the fact that George Lucas isn't a regular, integrated part of society. The world he lives in is not the same as yours and mine. He can't go check out a movie theatre saturday night, or take the subway downtown. He can't just go with a friend to a comedy club, or take a walk around the neighbourhood when he is feeling restless. He can't go window shop on sunday afternoon with his girlfriend, or take his kids to the local baseball game. He's not going to have a conversation with the guy standing next to him in line at the bank, because he doesn't line up at the bank in the first place, and he can't walk into a comic book shop and see what's out this week.

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I guess that is the downside of not having to have a care in the world and being able to do pretty much anything.

Those two statements are at odds. Also no I don't see things that way. It's pretty clear he's wanted to be the public figure head for Star Wars since the SEs were produced. He had plenty of time to think about it and he wanted that fame induced lifestyle. I hazard a guess that his life was becoming ever more "average" during that time. I mean when Star Wars was discussed prior to the SEs I as a kid did not care and did not know about George Lucas. I just discussed the characters on the screen with my friends. Sure this is anecdotal, but I ask you prior to the SEs in the early 90s how much did you associate George Lucas with Star Wars?

He essentially had the perfect "out" of the fame burdening lifestyle during that time. He could've just marketed the hell out of the directors of Empire and Jedi. After all Empire is arguably the film that made Star Wars stick in the public eye. If he wanted to he could've praised Irvin Kershner's film. Instead you look at this interview and it doesn't even resonate with the interviewer to interject on his "That whole issue between filmmakers and the studios with the studios being able to change things without even letting the director of the movie know" comment. Just shows how much he expects people to see these movies as all his. He makes that comment so easily and he knows few will actually say "hey wait a minute, you didn't direct Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi".

Hell what about the marketing for Red Tails? Anthony Hemingway isn't the main person being interviewed for it, it's George Lucas. Sure he directed a few reshoots, but that arguably makes him a second unit director at best. How many second unit directors get the main press coverage for a film?

The way I see it he's a guy who doesn't want to be forgotten. He wants to be a household name. He wants the kind of life where it's difficult for him to do average things. If he didn't he could've faded into obscurity long ago. I mean think about his initial aspirations to be a race car driver. Not exactly the dream of someone wishing to stay out of the public limelight.

Then again I'm tired been up all night, I'm not even sure what I'm typing makes sense... So yeah I could be wrong I admit that.


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I've associated Lucas with Star Wars ever since I saw the making of doc on tv back in the day. He was a big part of the 10th anniversary celebration, even taking unscripted questions from fans. (Imagine that going on these days!)

Somewhere at Skywalker Ranch is a giant birthday card from that '87 con, with hundreds of well wishes from fans written on it. All variations of "Thanks George". It took a hell of a lot to piss all that goodwill away.

I was even happy to see him get his award at the '92 Oscars. Or course, that was before he was replaced by his evil twin, but I digress. ;)

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Lucas was always associated with Star Wars (at least from the early 80's).  Even as a little kid I knew who he was.

 

I posted something on IMDB that I wanted to post here, since it hasn't been brought up yet:

Blade Runner has NOT been cut "sixteen ways from Sunday." There is a workprint version, which is standard for pretty much every movie (not that they all get released), there is the theatrical cut, and then the directors cut, which only removes the voice over and studio ending and inserts one unicorn shot. Hardly anything extensive for a director's cut and not NEARLY as extreme as the Star Wars Special Editions. And again, there are a whole bunch of movies that get director's cuts.

The Final Cut only fixes a few technical and continuity problems. The only shot that could be considered superfluous would be the eye contracting in the beginning, but I doubt most people would even notice it. The only other significant change is an insert of the geisha gals that lasts about three seconds (and it was filmed at the time the rest of the movie was filmed). The only really controversial change would be changing the one f-word to the word "father." (which I admit is unnecessary). It's basically the same movie as the director's cut.

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When the interviewer asked him about Hugo, I wonder if the reason was to get his opinion about 3D, or whether it was to get his opinion about the STORY, which was about FILM PRESERVATION.  It could have been both.  Of course, the latter flew right over George's head, because he doesn't think about things like story or film preservation.

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SilverWook said:
I've associated Lucas with Star Wars ever since I saw the making of doc on tv back in the day.


eiyosus said:
Lucas was always associated with Star Wars (at least from the early 80's).  Even as a little kid I knew who he was.


Okay I was wrong. *shrug* It was anecdotal anyway. At that time I just didn't care that much about reading the credits of movies (curiously I've always read the credits of tv shows... odd.). My friends at that time also didn't care that much for reading the credits either. We just liked the movie. . .

Anyway some of my initial point still stands. His constant assertions of "I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it." Yet at the same saying stuff like "Well, it’s not a religious event. I hate to tell people that. It’s a movie, just a movie." Of course saying those two things are going to keep him remembered. It's contradictory and controversial. I mean if it is "just a movie" as he says, allowing alternate high quality versions to exist simultaneously should be no problem...

I don't know maybe I'm wrong again... I don't care I just needed to vent a little. Reading these interviews just gets me annoyed at the guy who's literally a billionaire, weight gain aside seems to be healthy, and has plenty of die-hard fans. He decides to use interviews to deliberately piss off a portion of his fan base that is mainly telling him about a product we want to buy from him. Oh wait I forgot, it so hard for him because people on the internet are "yelling" at him. Ah geeze, how could I have made such a horrible miscalculation of misfortune that George Lucas is in? Wow you know George, I'll make a deal with you. If you read this you give me 200 million dollars and I'll be your internet defender!!! How about it???

Seriously though I don't know why I even bother reading more interviews with George Lucas. Might be scant hope of the OT being released restored and everything... I don't know seems like a fantasy at this point. It's almost as though you need to deconstruct the english language to make a scientific study of which words are most agreeable to the George Lucas guy. Then fashion them into a pattern where he will finally agree to release the Original Original Trilogy restored. I doubt such a combination exists though...


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IF this was true (which it's not), doesn't that make Lucas an incompetent filmmaker?

If, for 35 years everyone who saw his movie drew one conclusion (Only Han Shot) and he thought he tried to make the other point, isn't the fault HIS for being incompetent? Not the fault of the fans for 'wanting a cold blooded killer'?

Imagine if Orson Welles came out in the early 60s and said everyone was stupid for misunderstanding the ending to Citizen Kane. The shot should have been wider and shown that EVERYTHING Kane owned was named "Rosebud" and that he was a greedy obsessive bastard, not a tormented soul longing for lost innocence. Wouldn't that make Welles an incompetent loon?

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Yes. Yes, it would.

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hmmm...

i would say the answer is.....both.  he is an incompetent filmmaker - there are plenty of more suitable examples.  But he is lying in this case.

does anyone know if this 'interview' talked about the "No....NOOOOOOOOOO!!!"  ? would have been hysterical to see him explain that one.  someday he should - the apologists need their talking points.

really, we should be shocked that he didn't replace the yoda puppet in ESB and ROTJ.  maybe not while frank oz and stuart freeborn are still with us. shit, ford better stay healthy,  otherwise bye bye "I know"

[sigh] anyway, have a good feeling my estimates of $35 million max are going to be exceeded based on the number of posters from this site that plan on watching it.  so again, he gets to take his money and laugh all the way back to skywalker ranch.

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I think George is self-isolating. He's fairly ordinary-looking and I think he could put on a hat and walk around Frisco and few people would notice him much less recognize him. I used to live and work in NYC and I saw famous people all the time (much more recognizable than GL), doing ordinary things, and I never saw anyone speak to them, much less mob them. Maybe Frisco is different than NY (New Yorkers pride themselves on acting unimpressed by anything or anyone-LOL), but he's definitely not The Beatles circa 1964.
He's not even Lindsay Lohan, for that matter. :-P

On a side note, I know of someone who has all 3 SW films on 35mm (he collects 35mm films). He works at a company that does film transfers.

I don't know if they're the OOT versions or not (I only spoke with his boss and a couple of his co-workers), but I asked if he'd ever consider making transfers of the films, and his boss said that he's afraid of going to jail (LOL) and that since the guy is such a 35mm enthusiast, he'd probably see no point in doing it even if it were legal.

Just for curiosity's sake, the next time I go back there, I'll ask the guy himself (if he's there) if they're the OOT or SE versions. In any case, the place where he works has a telecine, but so far no 4k or even 2k scanner.

Oh, and thanks for putting links up to these articles. I'd have nothing to post on the blu-ray boycott Facebook page, otherwise. ;-)

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Mielr said:

I think George is self-isolating. He's fairly ordinary-looking and I think he could put on a hat and walk around Frisco and few people would notice him much less recognize him. I used to live and work in NYC and I saw famous people all the time (much more recognizable than GL), doing ordinary things, and I never saw anyone speak to them, much less mob them. Maybe Frisco is different than NY (New Yorkers pride themselves on acting unimpressed by anything or anyone-LOL), but he's definitely not The Beatles circa 1964.
He's not even Lindsay Lohan, for that matter. :-P

 If I saw George Lucas in anything other than his trademark flannel, I'd have a hard time recognizing him.

Shoot, trim the beard and lose the pompadour, and I don't even think Speilberg would recognize him.

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I hate that all this has become so personal, but what other response is there to a guy saying "you are dumb and wrong to support my early work, but luckily I don't need you now that I have a subsection of boys age 5-11". Classy!