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For anyone who says the man doesn't have a sense of humour, I say behold.

So Lucas, Spielberg and Coppola present the award for Best Director to Scorcese.

The speech goes down something like this. (I might have the order wrong, but you'll get the gist of it)

Coppola - We're here to present the Award for outstanding achievement by a Director.

Spielberg - You might wonder why the three of us are here. It's because all of us have won the Oscar for best director.

Lucas - Wait a minute. I never won.

Spielberg - Oh.

Lucas - But I was nominated.

Coppola - Oh.

Lucas - It's kind've the same thing.

PAUSE

Spielberg & Coppola - NO IT'S NOT.

Huge laugh. Huge. It was pretty awesome.
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Sad that I missed it.

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It was funny, and it was cool to see Spielberg, Coppola, and Lucas on stage with Scorcese, and if they had Brian Depalma up there it could have been a tribute to the great Directors of the 70's who really changed films.

Think of the body of work Lucas, Coppola, and Spielberg have done:

Jaws
Star Wars Trilogy
Raiders of the Lost Ark
E.T.
The Godfather Trilogy
Close Encounters
Schindlers List
Saving Private Ryan
Jurassic Park
Apocalypse Now
American Grafitti
The Conversation
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yea I cracked up when Spielberg said his line

also, did anyone notice that when Marty walked off stage with Francis and Steven on either side, George seemed to get left behind and was just walking behind all of them?
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To this day, it's complete BS that Lucas didn't win Best Director and Best Picture for Star Wars back at the Oscars in '78. I'm sorry, has Annie Hall had the cultural impact that Star Wars has?

If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....
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Originally posted by: Jumpman
To this day, it's complete BS that Lucas didn't win Best Director and Best Picture for Star Wars back at the Oscars in '78. I'm sorry, has Annie Hall had the cultural impact that Star Wars has?

If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....



Annie Hall is a great movie, and probably Woody Allens best, but SW should have won that year. You can always make a case for which movie is better, cause they are both great, but Lucas should have won Best Director, just by the fact of how difficult the movie was to make and it transcended movies back then and even today, isn't that what the category is made for?

The problem with Oscars is they always give it to a director who is overdue at the time, and Lucas was so young then. Look at Scorcese last night, he has made classics like Goodfellas, Taxidriver and Raging Bull, and the Departed gets him his first oscar? That was more of a lifetime award just like Ron Howard won for A Beautiful Mind in 2002 when his best movie was Apollo 13. I have never respected the Oscars since Shakespeare in Love beat out Saving Private Ryan.
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Originally posted by: Jumpman
If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....

Becuase they didn't have 30 years of cultural hindsight in 1978.

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Originally posted by: Jumpman
To this day, it's complete BS that Lucas didn't win Best Director and Best Picture for Star Wars back at the Oscars in '78. I'm sorry, has Annie Hall had the cultural impact that Star Wars has?

If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....


The Academy was well aware that Star Wars was a half-finished film in 1977. They were also aware in 1997 that Star Wars was still not complete, but alas, the 2004 release was direct to video...

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Originally posted by: Jumpman

If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....

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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine


The Academy was well aware that Star Wars was a half-finished film in 1977. They were also aware in 1997 that Star Wars was still not complete, but alas, the 2004 release was direct to video...


HA! Can you imagine if SW won in 1978? You would have many academy voters wanting to take back their vote, "I am sorry I voted for that half-completed movie!"

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Originally posted by: Jumpman
To this day, it's complete BS that Lucas didn't win Best Director and Best Picture for Star Wars back at the Oscars in '78. I'm sorry, has Annie Hall had the cultural impact that Star Wars has?

If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....


I'm not going to make any friends here, but really, for all of its historical importance, I don't think it deserved it. Lucas, with all due respect, as proven by the prequels, is not the worlds greatest writer or director. Certainly, he deserves credit for the achievement that was the original film, but I were to ask, from an asthetic standpoint, which is better, The Godfather has better acting, cinematography, writing, directing, etc. than Star Wars. I LOVE STAR WARS! I REALLY DO! We're not talking culture impact here, but rather quality. I'm not saying that Star Wars is not a quality film, I just feel that if I were to give an objective comparison, I don't think that Lucas would deserve the award as compared to many other candidates. Please don't kill me!

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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine
Originally posted by: Jumpman
To this day, it's complete BS that Lucas didn't win Best Director and Best Picture for Star Wars back at the Oscars in '78. I'm sorry, has Annie Hall had the cultural impact that Star Wars has?

If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....


The Academy was well aware that Star Wars was a half-finished film in 1977. They were also aware in 1997 that Star Wars was still not complete, but alas, the 2004 release was direct to video...


Excellent point. If I'd know it wasn't complete, I wouldn't have paid to see it. After all, how can he deserve the Oscar for an incomplete film? And the 2004 release isn't complete either, according to Lucas.

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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Originally posted by: Jumpman
If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....

Becuase they didn't have 30 years of cultural hindsight in 1978.


you beat me to it

Star Wars was something like no one had ever seen before, it was too new. Even The Return of the King, which is pretty much regarded as the first Fantasy movie of any kind to win the award, was the third movie of a trilogy. The previous two had already been nominated for best picture and both lost.
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Annie Hall appealed to cineastes and the intelligentsia, it was self-consciously aware "high art" with Euro art-house references and highbrown cinema in-jokes, a self-reflexive work of deconstructionism--it was practically made for Acadamy voters of the late 1970's. This is the type of material that would make Pauline Kayle cum, and i can see why it won. Star Wars on the other hand, while considered a grand and sweeping epic, was too juvenile and unserious to win over Annie Hall for Best Picture, which is why it was honored through nominations but ultimately passed over for the win. In hindsight of course it is perhaps the most culturally important film of the second half of the 20th century, but in early 1978 this wasn't exactly apparent.

Thats really as simple as it is. It wasnt age--Woody Allen was practically the same age as Lucas--nor was it politics or some kind of anti-Star Wars/Lucas conspiracy (the Academy loved the film and gave it many wins and nominations--including best director, picture, screenplay and supporting actor, pretty heavy stuff). Its like David Lean's Lawrence of Arabia versus Ingmar Bergman's Persona--both are great films, the Academy would love and honor both, but in the end Persona would win--at the time of the late 70's that is. That was the era of treating American cinema as "Serious" and "artistic" works of self-expression, of which Star Wars is often seen as the antithesis to.
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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
Those jokes were totally scripted, and delivered so poorly that they were obviously scripted.

Two words - FAT NECK!


This is about the fat neck comment, I don't know if you know this or not, but his "fat neck" is caused by a lack of iodine and is called a goitre. Here is more information about it: The most common cause for goitre in the world is iodine deficiency (E01); this condition is commonly called endemic goitre. It is curable by mass food-supplementation with iodine (in the form of iodide or iodate). It is an actual medical condition, and shouldn't be taken lightly or made fun of. Please don't make fun of something like this.


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Originally posted by: zombie84That was the era of treating American cinema as "Serious" and "artistic" works of self-expression, of which Star Wars is often seen as the antithesis to.


Not to be a killjoy, but it is. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but really, that's what Star Wars is.

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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Originally posted by: andy_k_250
Those jokes were totally scripted, and delivered so poorly that they were obviously scripted.

Two words - FAT NECK!


This is about the fat neck comment, I don't know if you know this or not, but his "fat neck" is caused by a lack of iodine and is called a goitre. Here is more information about it: The most common cause for goitre in the world is iodine deficiency (E01); this condition is commonly called endemic goitre. It is curable by mass food-supplementation with iodine (in the form of iodide or iodate). It is an actual medical condition, and shouldn't be taken lightly or made fun of. Please don't make fun of something like this.


If it's so easily curable, how come he hasn't done anything about it after all this time?

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Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: Jumpman
I have never respected the Oscars since Shakespeare in Love beat out Saving Private Ryan.


...or when Crash won over Munich.

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Originally posted by: grifter
Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: Jumpman
I have never respected the Oscars since Shakespeare in Love beat out Saving Private Ryan.


...or when Crash won over Munich.


That's nice.

Members of the Academy vote, so much of the Awards are politically, socially and economically movitated. I love them for what they are - a celebration of film. I don't need an Awards show to tell me what is best.
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What really pissed me off,and proved the academy panel just hate Lucas,is when Narnia won for effects over ROTS which wasn't even nominated.What the hell was that about!A great quote from Empire magazine who were equally perplexed:
"Making talking beavers-that's the hard thing.Building galaxies is easy....."
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I think the reason for that is simple: The Academy loves Dennis Muren. ROTS was the first Star Wars movie with which he had no involvement. He was working on War of the Worlds, which did get nominated.
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Maybe that's because instead of just CGing everything, the folks that worked on Narnia actually tried to have a good mix of CG, models, and the real thing. Narnia looked believable. ROTS looked just like what it was, like someone built a world inside a computer and then put some actors against green screen inside it. In three movies, Lucas didn't manage to do much of anything that was revolutionary (for him). That's the reason ROTK won Best Picture, to pay Peter Jackson tribute essentially for the entire LOTR trilogy. There's no way he would've gotten it for each movie, especially since they came out a year apart.

I loved ROTS as much as the next Star Wars fan (which is not very much), but Narnia was far and away more believable.
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