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I was thinking about this^ Lucas is against colorizing B&W movies,which made think since he believes he can edit reedit and reeedit Star Wars as much as he want,we could tell him that if the producers of these old B&W movies could have made the movies in color they would have,and if some were alive today they might want their movies colorised,which in relation to GL and modifying SW they too or their families can say they want the movies colorised.
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The irony of that statement is the very reason it appears on this site...

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Originally posted by: Montcalm
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I was thinking about this^ Lucas is against colorizing B&W movies,which made think since he believes he can edit reedit and reeedit Star Wars as much as he want,we could tell him that if the producers of these old B&W movies could have made the movies in color they would have,and if some were alive today they might want their movies colorised,which in relation to GL and modifying SW they too or their families can say they want the movies colorised.


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As some have pointed out, that's not exactly ironic, him being the artist, who is entitled to an artist's rights. He is against changing other opeople's films, but not your own. The very reason he is changing his own is so that the next generations can see the films the way he intended, no harm in that.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
As some have pointed out, that's not exactly ironic, him being the artist, who is entitled to an artist's rights. He is against changing other opeople's films, but not your own. The very reason he is changing his own is so that the next generations can see the films the way he intended, no harm in that.


And you will find that most of us here have no problem with that. The problem is that the originals are not available and they should be. Just as all those B&W films should be released unaltered, SW should be too. And the reasons go deeper....

It's all a question of history and preservation. If Lucas doesn't release the OOT and makes good on his statement that the films no longer exist in their original form, then those versions are lost forever.

That means that historians in a century or two will look back on late 20th century pop culture and they will see that film was changed and heavily influenced by some science fiction movie called Star Wars. Naturally those historians will want to see this movie to look at its significance. The problem is....they won't see what was released in theaters in May 1977. Instead they will see some movie that was revised over and over again and was finished in the 2000s. No one can deny that the film Star Wars has been a major influence in the world of pop culture. Shouldn't it be preserved for history's sake? Shouldn't people in 500 years look back on it and see what the big deal was?

I hate what Lucas has done cuz it's revisionist history. It makes me wonder how much other history has been revised or rewritten over the years. Makes me not want to believe ANYTHING. I know it's just a movie, but it's the idea that bothers me. It should be preserved and I say to hell with Lucas' original vision and to hell with his changes and to hell with him. What he is doing is the result of pure arrogance brought on my Hollywood ass kissing and too much money and too much power.

He doesn't like the way the movie turned out, so he's just going to go back and change it. That's not much different than some tyrant who wants to wipe out and idea cuz he doesn't agree with that idea.
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I don't think he has ever completely reallized how big of an impact the Star Wars OT has had on the world. After all he has always considered it strange that people actually liked them in the first place. Apparently, he doesn't care about that particular impact that will have on history. He cares about what he intended people to see. And in a way, he has that right, since he's the one who created and owns them. To Lucas, I don't think he's interested in the impact his original films left. I do, however, belive he's interested in showing future generations what he intended, and not a rough draft of what he intended. He considers that his legacy, not his "rough draft films." I suppose if he doesn't release to OOT, then historians will have to look at a list of changes he made in order to reallize what the films originally were.
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great discussion.

as i'm sure most on this site will attest to, the oot is what is missing. given lucas' past actions and interviews, we are hard pressed to expect the oot in the immediate future. with the constant changes ebbing throughout star wars, including yoda having a digital makeover in episode 1, who knows what to expect with these films. What I do know, however, is if people would like to actually find a copy of the oot, they will. i am not worried about historians not being able to locate the oot. if historians can find out what hitler's last breakfast was before committing suicide, then the oot will be found as well. and i'm sure lucas knows this.

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But George was happy to make millions and collect awards for these "rough drafts" he wasnt really complaining then, what about some of the people queuing up in 77 when he wasnt famous who dont want as he intends it for future generations why cant they have a choice, some/all dont have a problem with his changing it for future generation but it should not be at the expense of some of a generation who made him a household name and a rich man. all most are asking for is the choice, christ even he released on a limited run for a few months it would be preserved and people happy for him to change it for future generations
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What is going to happen is the same thing that happened with Abel Gance's silent epic, Napoleon. Gance continued tinkering with the film into the 1960s, changing the score and reediting. By the 1980s, a restoration had to be mounted to find the original film, because Gance kept going back to the ONeg, striking new prints, and cutting as he saw fit.

We can hope that GL struck new prints after the color correction and pre-digital effects restoration work was done, but I'm somewhat cynical about that.

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The way he sees it, if fans want the OOT, they got it in the 90's and can get it from VHS and Laserdiscs. Steve Sansweet even made that smartass remark of his that: "in 95' when the ad said this was your last chance to own the original versions, they weren't kidding."
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
What is going to happen is the same thing that happened with Abel Gance's silent epic, Napoleon. Gance continued tinkering with the film into the 1960s, changing the score and reediting. By the 1980s, a restoration had to be mounted to find the original film, because Gance kept going back to the ONeg, striking new prints, and cutting as he saw fit.

We can hope that GL struck new prints after the color correction and pre-digital effects restoration work was done, but I'm somewhat cynical about that.


I would have to believe that Lucas and other filmmakers are smarter than that now, especially with the recent resurrection of preserving films. I remember reading after all the color correction, etc, he struck new prints and placed them in the vault (i couldn't tell you what the source was, it's been so long).

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Well, we at least know that a print of the original version of ANH is preserved in the National film registry.
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Thank god it was released on Laserdisc as people would be screwed as it can be transferred to DVD and as VHS doesnt last as long and isnt as good quality. but while agreeing with your post it is in the end rather selfish and not being grateful of some of the people who made him a household name and helped make him big money by not putting it on the accepted format of today......
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should this discuss not be in on of the Star Wars sections instead of the Off Topic section?

That said, I will state my view again. There is not one good reason not to release the OOT on DVD. Lucas has every right to release a revised edition that completes as well. All the people of this site are saying is give people the choice . Give me one good reason why he shouldn't release them both?
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That quote by GL shows how much of an hypocrite he is, and how much he is surrounded by people who support him blindly, I mean, didn't anyone said that he was contradicting himself at that time? If he said that to a news reporter, didn't the guy at least say "Oh, ok, how about YOUR movies?". I just wonder how he would react if we asked him about this contradiction. I bet he would cover his ears, and scream "I can't hear you na na na na!!" until you gave up.
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He would say what he has said before: "I strongly believe in an artist's rights, and I want to to make my movies the way I want them to be made."
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You and he seem to be missing the point, though, Adam. The quote about black and white movies mentions nothing of artists' rights. The entire quote is talking solely about viewers' rights. The quote doesn't say, "I want these films to be preserved the way the artist wanted them to be." He says that he wants them preserved the way he as a viewer saw them, and he wants his children, also viewers, to be able to see them the way he as a viewer saw them.

And that's all the we want. So hypocrisy.

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The point they be can preserved both ways. You release a DVD of the original version and a DVD of the Special edition. Why not give people the choice? There are other movies that have been released like that. T2 , for example.
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Well, yeah, that is a little contradictory. He needed to make himself more clear when saying that quote, then, if he wanted to get a clear message across.
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Uhm, he DID get a clear message across - hence the obvious contradiction. He's holding two opposing stances.

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I think GL would state that if the artist who made the b&w movie wants to change it to color, it's ok, because he is the artist. So, following the same logic, he could alter his films too. But then he would contradict himself on the national heritage preservation thing. Touché, mr. Lucas.
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I call Lucas on his 'original vision' BS.

How is it 'original vision' to:

- Make Greedo shoot first/at the same time? If it was, he could have done it in '76.
- Feature young Anakin's ghost at the end of ROTJ? If it was, he could have filmed a 'young' Anakin to play the ghost in '82.
- To have Boba Fett flirting with members of Jabba's band in ROTJ? If it was, he could have done it in '82.
- To add ropes to Han Solo's feet when he's hanging off the sail barge in ROTJ? If it was, he could have filmed REAL ROPES in '82.
- To remove Anakin's eyebrows in his death scene in ROTJ? If it was, he could have politely asked Sebastian Shaw if he would kindly remove his eyebrows before filming.
- To have different dialogue in the Vader/Emperor scene in ESB? If it was, he could have changed the dialogue before filming!

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Also don't forget this...

Lucas' original vision encompassed 12 episodes. Oh wait, I mean 9...no, wait...I mean 3...oops, I mean 6. Honestly. 6.
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It was like this:

1977
1 (Star Wars)

1978-1979
12 (SW, ESB, ROTJ, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12)

1979-1995
9 (TPM, AOTC, ROTS, ANH, ESB, ROTJ, 7, 8, 9)

1995-present
6 (TPM, AOTC, ROTS, ANH, ESB, ROTJ)
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Soooooooooo, the Star Wars Saga is now exactly like Lucas originally envisioned huh? I think not.