I made some screenshots of the 35mm, hd, 4k and hybrid versions to compare framing and colors.
As the hybrid shows, which overlays sources of BDRIP (2.35:1), DVDRIP (4:3) and WEBDL (16:9), a lot more area has been shot on original film.
So, does anyone know if a full scan of either the original camera negative, or the 35mm prints exists? I don’t have access to any private trackers or usenet newsgroups.
The audio works fine when I play Fellowship of the Ring on my desktop, but I get nothing with Two Towers or Return of the King
I’ve downloaded all 3 scans, and I must say, this is the way I’ve always wanted to watch these movies, ever since I first saw them in the theater!
With every new home video edition, some problems get solved and some others appear. The DNR on the blurays is so distracting, everything appears so pasty. The DNR on the 4K versions is sometimes better (face shots without effects are usually incredible detailed) but some other times absolutely terrible (Edoras, Caradhras,…). And most importantly, the absence of grain makes the compositing look soooo bad. That wide shot of Rivendell in FOTR right after Frodo says “I’m ready to go home” just looks so badly composited, nothing feels “together”… How can they not see that it’s the film grain that actually holds it all together in helping blend all these layers? The vfx never looked better than on those 35mm prints, sure they are grainy, but everything feels so real! That full cgi shot of the fellowship going down the stairs of Moria is so fake in commercial versions, whereas here, you almost can’t tell it’s fake at all!
One remark though: the colors are a bit better on TTT and ROTK. On FOTR, the reds are a bit much in some scenes and most others scenes are more on the greenish sides, so it’s not a global thing. Is it because the print was in less good condition than the others? Or is it because ROTK and TTT benefited from a better scan? Or is it just because of the way the first movie was photomechanically timed?
Anyway, amazing work! Thank you everyone who made that happening, I’m doing a marathon with these next weekend!
Looking forward to these!
These scans look gorgeous indeed. Thank for you scanning and releasing these.
I have noticed many scenes (especially in RotK) that look very mushy and almost waxy. Has a blanket DNR pass been applied to these scans? Or perhaps this is how the 35mm masters also looked like. It’s possible that Jackson’s production team added DNR during post-production on certain scenes.
These scans look gorgeous indeed. Thank for you scanning and releasing these.
I have noticed many scenes (especially in RotK) that look very mushy and almost waxy. Has a blanket DNR pass been applied to these scans? Or perhaps this is how the 35mm masters also looked like. It’s possible that Jackson’s production team added DNR during post-production on certain scenes.
I agree! There is something strange with the image/encode for ROTK, maybe it’s DNR or simply compression issues but it definitely looks digitally compressed/processed. The grain detail in the other two movies is gorgeous.
I’m really wondering what software these files are supposed to be watched on! I usually monitor HDR files with IINA with great success, but those don’t look right in there, way too much contrast and low saturation. With VLC they look better but they shift a bit towards green and the reds have a massive shift towards magenta. I’ve managed to make them look right on my 4K projector for my marathon but I’d really love to have play-ready files for the future. I’ve tried opening them in Resolve to correct the shifts but it looks different in there as well… Any input form the guys who made the files in the first place?
I remember trying the 2160p versions with VLC and the colours looked really off compared to the 1080p. Instead I tried MPV player on Windows, and it looked much better.
I guess you are on Mac, if you are using IINA. I never really used Mac, so I don’t know what alternatives there are, or if there’s any way to make IINA handle the HDR better.
Is there a media player classic or MPV?
Just did a quick search and looks like there is “Unofficial third-party builds” of MPV. Maybe try that?
Question - Has FOTR Extended 35mm been released? I see that in the title but haven’t heard anything else about it…
Question - Has FOTR Extended 35mm been released? I see that in the title but haven’t heard anything else about it…
Yes.
And like the Theatrical releases, you can PM me for directions.
Could we get some frame comparison shots between the Extended Edition reel and the Theatrical colour timings?
Locations: (Shire, Rivendell, Moria, Lothlorien).
Could we get some frame comparison shots between the Extended Edition reel and the Theatrical colour range?
Locations: (Shire, Rivendell, Moria, Lothlorien).
Hello, i’m also very interested!
Are the extended cut also scanned? Or just the theatrical version of the trilogy?
Are the extended cut also scanned? Or just the theatrical version of the trilogy?
Fully scanned, frame by frame.
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Read the thread to find out how to download, do not pm me.
You should already own a copy of these films on official home media.
Do 35mm prints exist for the Return of the King Extended Edition?
Read the thread to find out how to download, do not pm me.
You should already own a copy of these films on official home media.
Do 35mm prints exist for the Return of the King Extended Edition?
No, which is a real shame as this means the EE LOTR trilogy in 35mm will forever remain incomplete.
I would really like to know how the prints were scanned and encoded from the people who did it! I’ve been fiddling with them in Resolve for a week now, and even though I can get the colors pretty much right by applying broad grading to the whole files, something tells me that there is just something weird with the way the files were delivered that makes them look funny in the first place! Any info, good people?
Read the thread to find out how to download, do not pm me.
You should already own a copy of these films on official home media.
Do 35mm prints exist for the Return of the King Extended Edition?
No, which is a real shame as this means the EE LOTR trilogy in 35mm will forever remain incomplete.
Theatricals are superior, anyway. Not just in terms of the movies themselves, but also the prints. I have seen both the theatrical and extended versions in the cinema, and the extended has the same disgusting colour grading as all home releases.
Read the thread to find out how to download, do not pm me.
You should already own a copy of these films on official home media.
Do 35mm prints exist for the Return of the King Extended Edition?
No, which is a real shame as this means the EE LOTR trilogy in 35mm will forever remain incomplete.
Theatricals are superior, anyway. Not just in terms of the movies themselves, but also the prints. I have seen both the theatrical and extended versions in the cinema, and the extended has the same disgusting colour grading as all home releases.
Damn right! With EEs, for the sake of a couple of tasty lore thingies you get a lot of scenes that undermine the movies big time!
I myself prefer the EE, but if there’s one thing that should have been part of the theatrical cuts it’s most definitely Saruman’s death in TROTK, which is left unresolved in the theatrical cut.
Ok, I think I’m getting around it all. It appears that FOTR and TTT both suffer from varying color and exposure shifts over their different reels.
ROTK is much more uniform, I’m thinking the print was just in better condition overall.
I’m in the process of correcting them the best I can in Resolve. Really broad brushes here, nothing too clinical, mostly just fiddling with the green/magenta balance and I’m only applying grades to whole reels, not on a scene to scene basis.
It’s funny going over those movies like that, one really realizes how funky they went with the grading! You correct one scene that seems too green and then the next one is way too magenta! It’s a fine line to navigate, I even purchased some original 35mm cells from ebay to project them as slides and have a reference, but those were shifted as well. And one can hardly use the home video masters as a reference, the grading is just so different in many places, plus the prints have a lot more contrast, which really emphasizes the grading shifts.
Anyway, here’s where I’am at the moment on FOTR. It’s hard to shoot for 100% accuracy without a proper reference point, so I’m mostly trying to make it feel right, tell me what you think: https://imgur.com/a/hOzQV5K
Interesting.
Ok, I think I’m getting around it all. It appears that FOTR and TTT both suffer from varying color and exposure shifts over their different reels.
ROTK is much more uniform, I’m thinking the print was just in better condition overall.I’m in the process of correcting them the best I can in Resolve. Really broad brushes here, nothing too clinical, mostly just fiddling with the green/magenta balance and I’m only applying grades to whole reels, not on a scene to scene basis.
It’s funny going over those movies like that, one really realizes how funky they went with the grading! You correct one scene that seems too green and then the next one is way too magenta! It’s a fine line to navigate, I even purchased some original 35mm cells from ebay to project them as slides and have a reference, but those were shifted as well. And one can hardly use the home video masters as a reference, the grading is just so different in many places, plus the prints have a lot more contrast, which really emphasizes the grading shifts.Anyway, here’s where I’am at the moment on FOTR. It’s hard to shoot for 100% accuracy without a proper reference point, so I’m mostly trying to make it feel right, tell me what you think: https://imgur.com/a/hOzQV5K
Awesome! Will you be releasing your grade of the 35mm? Are you working on the extended or theatrical 35mm?