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Legend - Lost 125 min Director's cut (Released)

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Been scouring this forum, and found it quite amazing that no one has mentioned a Legend Director’s cut. I’ve done some homework on this project, but lack the Hardware/Software/Skills to attempt it myself. If anyone’s interested in tackling this project, I would be more than happy to help out with the research I’ve done. Basically what I have in mind is:

The current Director’s cut

  • all the unique footage from the American version, including but not limited to the:
    ‘Pygmy’ sequence,
    ‘Restoring the Alicorn’ sequence
    ‘Black apple at the dining table’ sequence
  • a short 5 second shot from the European version where Oona is watching Princess Lilly during the ‘Demon Dress’ sequence
  • replace the Director’s cut intro with the video footage of the alternate ‘4 goblins’ intro
  • add the ‘Jack Dance’ in story board mode with some of the raw footage of Gump playing his fiddle from the Making of Featurette.

The American version sequences have the Tangerine Dream score, so this would have to be replaced with music cues from the Jerry Goldsmith Soundtrack.

I have all the timeslots of where the extra footage is to be found as where in the Director’s cut they should be inserted.

Any takers?

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Interesting project, I have all three released cuts on DVD in NTSC

Thought about doing this myself at some point

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Heh! First I bought the european version. Later I found out there was a director's cut. So I sold my dvd and bought the ultimate edition (theatrical + director's cut) on ebay. Then I found out the european cut was a unique cut so I bought it again. But I didn't know there's an NTSC version of the european cut. Which makes it much easier to do the 125 min director's cut. So I hope someone will recreate this version.
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this would be very cool,I just watched both versions,theatrical and directors,and I was thinking it sure would be nice to have all the added scenes,but KEEP the Tangerine Dream soundtrack.
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I just read the title again,there is a 125 min directors Cut? My Directors cut is 114 Mins,and the Theatrical is 90 mins,this is from my Legend Ultimate Collection.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Heh! First I bought the european version. Later I found out there was a director's cut. So I sold my dvd and bought the ultimate edition (theatrical + director's cut) on ebay. Then I found out the european cut was a unique cut so I bought it again. But I didn't know there's an NTSC version of the european cut.


Yeah I got an NTSC version of the European edit from Korea Region 3, runs about 95 minutes, if this is needed in anyway I'll be happy to help

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so there are 2 different Directors Cuts and the Theatrical?
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No, he's proposing editing the director's cut with more footage from the theatrical and so on.


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Sorry if the title of this topic is misleading. Let me explain. There were 3 cuts made of Legend before the 2 theatrical releases:

140 min workprint - This is the print that Jerry Goldsmith scored; a score that he considered his fave and best. Presumabely lost.

125 min cut - This was the cut with the '4 goblins' intro and probably most of the footage from all current existing versions. This is the version that could be replicated by doing the above proposal. This cut is lost, so a fan edit would be the only way to see it.

113 min Director's cut - This is the cut that Ridley screened for a test audience, got some sniggering in the back, panicked and recut the whole thing. This cut was found in the UK and was released on DVD in the US.
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Sounds like a great fanedit. The only thing I am not a fan of, is adding a storyboard sequence into the movie. I rather prefer just footage, and no storyboards.

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Still the best Legend information site on the internet (and one which has been around a long time!), is Ridley Scott's LEGEND FAQ , a great resource for information on the movie.
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So you counted. I have the 2002 R1 dvd and I have been wondering how much longer the film could be extended if some of the footage in the US version not in the Director's cut was added in. Two scenes that come to mind that I don't think I saw mentioned above.
Jack helping Lily cross the stream before they see the unicorns. DC has the tail end of this part.
Glasses in Darkness' lair filling up by themselves.
Just to be sure. Is there anything in the European cut that is not on the one or the other two versions?
I don't think it would be worth it to use the alternate opening as the quality is bad and although it might have been interesting, it definitely went on too long.

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Hey Knightmessenger, I hadn't noticed the 'Jack helping Lilly across the stream' scene. Thanx, will check it out tonight.
The 'glasses filling up' scene is part of what I call the 'Black apple' scene; Darkness at the Dining room table speaking to Lilly, while his glaas of wine fills up. The apple from the poster artwork is shown in this scene.
There's also a scene which I call the 'Blizzard' scene; Lilly fumbling about in the snow just before she gets to Nell's house.
Also lots of little 1 or 2 second clips; a tree being struck by lightning during the winter transformation, the actual shot of the Alicorn being hewn off, etc.
All I can remember from the European cut that's unique was a scene where Oona is spying on Lilly dancing with the Black Dress. She says something like 'If Jack could see you now'
The alternate intro is important, as it sets up the 'big horn wrapped around the tree' and also explains Blunder's chicken claw. It's also a much cooler intoduction to Darkness. Yes, it's in a bad state, but maybe someone can clean it up a bit?
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Thanx Sean, your faq has been an invaluable resource of information over the years. If this project ever gets off the ground, it would be nice to know that we could count on you for advice.

Here's a breakdown of the scenes unique to the AC, I'll keep adding to this post as more scenes are found.

1. When Lilly first meets Jack, there's a short shot of him speaking/whistling to a bird. Lilly says 'you're so clever'
11:22 - 11:24 2sec. This would slot in at 11:40 in the DC.

2. Right after Jack and Lilly meet, there's a scene of Jack helping Lilly across a stream. The tail end of this scene is in the DC.
11:30 - 11:49 19sec. This would slot in at 12:30 in the DC.

3. There's a longer intro into the Lilly kissing Jack scene where you see her walk up to him and kneel down.
19:00 - 19:14 14sec. This would slot in at 23:41 in the DC.

4. When the whole Winter transformation is happening, there's a shot of a tree being hit by lightning.
20:40 - 20:42 2sec. This would slot in at 25:41 in the DC.

5. The actual moment of the Alicorn being hewn off by blix is missing in the DC.
21:14 - 21:16 2sec. This would slot in at 26:27 in the DC.

6. Jack stumbling around in a blizzard, calling out to Lilly, after the Goblins leave Nell's.
24:34 - 25:21 47sec. This would slot in at 30:26 in the DC.

7. Jack and Gump are attacked by Pygmies in Darkness' dungeons.
54:22 - 55:13 51sec. This would slot in at 1:11:04 in the DC.

8. In Lilly's dance with the Demon Dress at the very moment that Lilly and the Dress become one, there's a flash of magic.
58:50 - 58:51 1sec. This would slot in at 1:15:44 in the DC.

9. When Darkness is tempting Lilly at the dinner table, there's a shot of a black apple and a glass magically filling with wine/blood.
1:11:33 - 1:11:57 24sec. This would slot in at 1:27:47 in the DC.

10. After the battle with Darkness, there is a montage of scenes showing Gump restoring the Alicorn to the Unicorn. They are interspersed with Jack recovering the ring, which is in the DC.
1:21:42 - 1:21:45 3sec
1:22:02 - 1:22:11 9sec
1:22:36 - 1:22:56 20sec
1:23:04 - 1:23:14 10sec
1:23:19 - 1:23:33 14sec
56sec. This would slot in between 1:42:56 & 1:48:45 in the DC.

Total = 3.5min

All I can remember in the EC is the scene of Oona spying on Lilly just before the Demon Dress dance, saying 'Look at your princess now'.

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OK, I've just read Sean Murphy's breakdown of the DC, and I see there's a lot more scenes I had missed. I've printed it out and am gonna update my list over the weekend.

Any takers yet on tackling this project. I could try, but I would need a lot of help; like what editing software to use, how to convert PAL to NTSC, and most importantly, what music cues to use in the AC scenes. I don't have a soundtrack.
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Had a look at Sean's lists, and there is quite a lot of footage missing that could be added back.
I'd like to have a crack at it, but seriously don't have the time at the moment. I have the materials in NTSC, R1 Ultimate Edition (Director's + US Theatrical) and a R3 disc of the European Theatrical.
I'm hopeless at audio editing and trying to remove the Tangerine Dream music puts me off. Unless there is an easy way of doing it...

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I just checked. The shot of them crossing the stream I'm thinking of is not in the director's cut. It occurs right before the reversed footage of Jack and Lily kissing in the US version.
A few brief shots from the alternate opening are actually in the director's cut (and maybe the other versions too) in pristine quality. They appear right after Lily touches the unicorn intercut with her getting lectured by Jack. If someone wanted to restore the opening, they could use those shots as a reference.
By the way Sean, have you considered addressing on your site the debate over whether Legend influenced Nintendo to make The Legend of Zelda. I don't think it could have inspired the original game since they came out a year apart and aren't very similar. However, there are some interesting similarities with the '98 game Ocarina of Time.

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By the way Sean, have you considered addressing on your site the debate over whether Legend influenced Nintendo to make The Legend of Zelda. I don't think it could have inspired the original game since they came out a year apart and aren't very similar. However, there are some interesting similarities with the '98 game Ocarina of Time.


I'd be glad to add this to the faq - do you know of any interviews where the creators of Legend of Zelda and/or Ocarina of Time mention that Legend is or isn't an influence on the game?

Thanks,

Sean
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Supposedly Miyamoto was quoted as saying the film influenced the original game but I'm thinking that was a misquote. Some posters on IMDB have said he was quoted in the early 90's as saying he simply saw the film. That seems much more likely but I can't confirm that either. The Hylia website addressed the issue in the article Zelda: Based on a "Legend"? but I don't know if it's still there. There are also two similarities that I can think of off the top of my head which couldn't have been anything but a coincidence.
Miyamoto has said he got the inspiration for Zelda by exploring a cave as a kid. He was afraid to go in the cave until after he found a lantern. A few of the Zelda games including Twilight Princess have a lantern or candle as an item.
Jack used a lantern to look for Lily in the snow.
In Ocarina, the Kokiri children couldn't leave their forest or they would die.
On the 2002 director's cut commentary, Ridley said a possible reason for Jack not running off with Lily like the US is that as a forest boy, he probably can't leave the forest. Anyone know, by the way, where this idea ultimately originates from?

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Thanx Knightmessenger. I found the 'Jack helping Lilly across the stream'. It was earlier in the movie than I thought. Also the 'Blizzard scene is Jack stumbling in the snow, not Lilly. Sorry. There's also an extended scene of Lilly kissing Jack. I'm going to edit my post above with all these findings.
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
A few brief shots from the alternate opening are actually in the director's cut (and maybe the other versions too) in pristine quality. They appear right after Lily touches the unicorn intercut with her getting lectured by Jack. If someone wanted to restore the opening, they could use those shots as a reference.


There's also some shots from the alternate intro in the current intro. Some shots at the beginning with the deer and the bear. Also shots of Blix stalking something.