'Legacy' by X0-1138 - a fake and trolling 'project' — Page 5

dark_jedi said:  My aggressive response? I called NOONE any names LOL, and I still won't, but I find his reaction very funny.  I find it funny how I use HIS own words on him, but then I get crap for it LMAO!

I agree that you didn't resort to name calling, and I commend you for it, but I consider "you have NO idea WTF you are talking about," and the general tone of your posts to be aggressive.  I didn't use any phrases like this in my post to you.

Also some of his wording I found just a little insulting, that is why I used them, like "masterfully", what so anyone else here that has done upscales are wrong, or not right, like his supposed method is the right way, so read into my responses anyway you want.

I don't think he meant to imply that other people had upscaled improperly, simply that he was determined to do it well.  That's what I meant by your perceived criticism of your projects.  You just come across as very defensive sometimes.

LOL, it doesn't matter if he edits it now, why do you think I quoted it right away?

I was trying to make him see that language like that isn't productive.  Of course he can't erase what he said, but I thought that editing might go along with an apology.  That's all.  It was just a suggestion.

Laserschwert said:

Interesting how quickly this thread turned into a trainwreck.

And it still seems to be unclear, if the project is still on, canceled, or just some overambitious hoax...

Definitely agreed with you Laserschwert. I actually have no idea what's really been happening since this project's "cancellation." Is it being canceled because of Black Magic's superior capabilities, but didn't X0-1138 then rather abruptly claim that that was a hoax? If the original X0 is a "hoax" (note that I don't agree the original X0 project was one), why on Earth hasn't this project been resumed and why is X0-1138 claiming that he'll perfect a process he believes never existed! Honestly, it's a mad house.

X0-1138, please if you're still serious about this. Confirm whether or not you're doing this and please take out the personal attack... If this project is not continuing, also do not tease us with saying you have a process that you would have done if you did in fact do this. This does has potential but many are not clear what you're trying to do.

My two cents...

Chewtobacca said:

dark_jedi said:  My aggressive response? I called NOONE any names LOL, and I still won't, but I find his reaction very funny.  I find it funny how I use HIS own words on him, but then I get crap for it LMAO!

I agree that you didn't resort to name calling, and I commend you for it, but I consider "you have NO idea WTF you are talking about," and the general tone of your posts to be aggressive.  I didn't use any phrases like this in my post to you.

Also some of his wording I found just a little insulting, that is why I used them, like "masterfully", what so anyone else here that has done upscales are wrong, or not right, like his supposed method is the right way, so read into my responses anyway you want.

I don't think he meant to imply that other people had upscaled improperly, simply that he was determined to do it well.  That's what I meant by your perceived criticism of your projects.  You just come across as very defensive sometimes.

LOL, it doesn't matter if he edits it now, why do you think I quoted it right away?

I was trying to make him see that language like that isn't productive.  Of course he can't erase what he said, but I thought that editing might go along with an apology.  That's all.

OK, but that is how YOU took it, I did not, so that makes me wrong and you right? or the other way around? no it doesn't, we perceive things the way we do, and that is how I took it.

and how many times do we see new members come in here and start talking all this crazy idea stuff with monster super duper hi tech LD players and such, and then just disappear? I have seen it a few times here and I know some of you that have been here for a while have to, so yes, I do think this is all BS, but hey, if it is not, proves US here wrong, I am sorry when I read those crazy claims of what was going to be done, it just struck me as BS, plain and simple.

LOL, this is the MOST typing I have done in a long time, but this is pretty interesting.

skyjedi2005 said:

Its because that vaporware project was never released, i still feel bad over laserman though.

I do to, it is really to bad we here at OT can't find out what his status really is, is he OK, or did he pass? would kind of be nice to know one way or the other, he was a Great member here.

dark_jedi said: OK, but that is how YOU took it, I did not, so that makes me wrong and you right? or the other way around? no it doesn't, we perceive things the way we do, and that is how I took it.

I can't say whether you are wrong or right.  What I do say is that you act very defensively because of what you perceive to be a criticism.

and how many times do we see new members come in here and start talking all this crazy idea stuff with monster super duper hi tech LD players and such, and then just disappear?

We see this very often indeed and you might well be right about the outcome of this project, but we have no way of knowing this at the start.  New people need encouragement.  If you perceive remarks such as XO 1138's remarks about upscaling to be veiled criticism of your work, then imagine how new people feel when you start to post the way you do in their threads when they have just begun their projects and don't know anyone here.

Ultimately, I don't care whether the quality of new LD transfers will be better than anything so far released or not.  People might still get something out of making them and watching them because not everyone is looking for the same thing.   From the perspective of quality, the Puggo Grande could be considered a waste of time because the image quality is far worse than any GOUT-sourced project or LD project for that matter; but the fact is that I don't care, because I enjoyed Puggo's work immensely and found it thrilling to watch a 16mm transfer regardless of image quality.  His Puggo Grande is one of my favorite preservations and I'm looking forward to his ESB more even than Adywan's ESB Revisited.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on Puggo's Projects, I frackin LOVE them, I don't know why, but I do.

So I guess we will all see if this project comes to pass, that is all I will say.

skyjedi2005 said:

I am also looking forward to puggo finishing the trilogy, that for me will be the equivalent of an oot DVD Anamorphic release since none is ever coming.

If people need HD dark jedi's set and harmys are very nice indeed.

I prefer dj's based on the images posted as i have not the discs yet, if i did i would drop off them over at my bros and watch them at his house.

We had planned to watch the official blu ray. And see Phantom in 3D, but i am sort of in a boycott Lucas mood.

Not sure if i am still getting it or not, the NOOOO no thing is pretty bad imho.

But my brother likes the special editions and the prequels, so i don't know.

Get the set when its used i guess keep the deleted scenes and documentaries discs and give him the 6 films.

I am pretty sure I am going to do some editing on that DTS-HD MA track for sure, that NO........NOOOOOOOOO has to go! and whatever other crazy audio edits are in there.

^^ At least the three of us agree on something.  It doesn't happen often lol.

@skyjedi I hope you do track down dark_jedi's set soon and that you and your brother enjoy them.

Best of luck to X0 1138 on his project.  I hope that he doesn't give up.

The original black magic project was either a hoax or a completely over-ambitious attempt at drawing detail from nothing but the screencap inspired me to start thinking about integrating half a dozen laserdisc transfers, the GOUT and blu-ray editions and utilising super-resolution technology (amongst other little miracle workers at my disposal) to complete what will become the best edition of the OUT out there.

Here's my timeline...

May 2012 - Star Wars

November 2012 - The Empire Strikes Back

May 2013 - Return Of The Jedi

I'm calling the project 'Legacy'.

X0-1138 said:  I'm calling the project 'Legacy'.

Good!  Then you're not giving up.  Try to not to suggest that the Black Magic project might have been a hoax though.  Just focus on what you want to do.  That's just a suggestion that might help you to get along around here. :)

skyjedi2005 said:

Welcome back X-0. Did you consider capping the special edition 1997 with the X-0 player or strictly the oot?

It'll be given a good look at as I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some specific elements such as...

*Shudder*

The '97 Jabba.

As for black magic, well it shall never be brought up again.

X0-1138 said:

(amongst other little miracle workers at my disposal)

What exactly are those?

X0-1138 said:

Here's my timeline...

May 2012 - Star Wars

November 2012 - The Empire Strikes Back

May 2013 - Return Of The Jedi

I'm calling the project 'Legacy'.

I am honestly glad that you have decided to continue this project. It could have potential. Would you consider changing the thread title to match the new title? Setting a time line for yourself is also a good move; it should help you plan things out and allow us here to expect these things.

Frame by frame, shot by shot, scene by scene integration of multiple elements using consistent colour palettes, film transfer analysis and detail building using half a dozen different versions of the same frame to build up a truly comprehensive image.

Don't think of it as just copy and pasting from different transfers, think of it more as an additive process which builds on the master frame from multiple elements, each re-colour timed and cleaned up even before I get to the integration process.

X0-1138 wrote: I'm calling the project 'Legacy'.

Some people might confuse what you are doing with this: http://starwarslegacy.com/

I'm claiming it as that project hasn't been updated in five years.

I think you're getting in over your head now. IMO, you shouldn't try and get information from DVNR'd sources. Even in low motion scenes, TONS of fine detail is getting covered up. No, not as bad as '04's extreme degraining, but pretty bad.

Stick to the JSC & smear-free '93, and IF you can find a way to make the official Blu-ray and the '97 SE (if it's found to be DVNR-free, of course) compatible with your processes, put 'em in too.

Also, stick to theatrical audio. SW Mono & Stereo, ESB Stereo & 6-track (as close as you can get), ROTJ Stereo. Keep it simple.

My process will remove smearing, preserve detail and build on the more accurate transfers in terms of colour to fully restore the OUT.

X0-1138 wrote: I'm claiming it as that project hasn't been updated in five years.

So you are aware, but there is/was a disagreement between the creator of that project and numerous members of this forum.  MVerta the creator of the SWLegacy did the project for himself.  He let everyone know upfront that he was never going to allow it to go public.  The legacy of Legacy might haunt your Legacy.

It won't.

If this comes to fruition, it could indeed redeem the Legacy and X0 names. This project does sound like a massive undertaking and I wish you luck on completing it. The theatrical audio sounds like a good idea for this project. Would you make your own recreation of the 70mm mixes or use Hairy Hen's fantastic ones?