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Last of the Mohicans - Original Theatrical Cut - BD-50 *RELEASED* — Page 3

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Just watched your Last of the Mohicans, Jerry. Great effort, thanks for all the hard work. It was well worth it. I'm glad to be watching LOTM's theatrical cut again. In HD, no less.

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Very nice.

The German audio track is out of sync though.

Any ideas how to fix this?

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@ PDB - thanx4the kind words;o)

@ faust1103 - The German audio track was a pain in the a** to sync. The only way to fix it is for me to try to re-sync it to the English audio and re-release the entire thing. How badly out-of-sync is it? I'm willing to remedy this and tell you how to remux it back to the "original" release if need be. I apologize for that, I honestly thought that all the audio tracks were synced properly...

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Hi,

I think it out of sync for about 1 second (sound is too early).

Thanks.

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Hi,

sorry for posting in an old post, but I don't know where to post this.

I just downloaded this release (and the HDTV used for this), and I dont' think it's really the Theatrical Cut.

After many searches, I think the only place with the original Theatrical version is in VHS and LaserDiscs. I bought an Spanish VHS, and 2 LaserDiscs (USA & French). But I could only play the French LD on my PAL player, so I can't see the US LD version.

I think some of you own that same US LD (well, I think there are 2 versions with different audio) and I would like to know if someone could digitalize it.

I've done it with the french LD, but all initial credits are in french and not very good video quality (the LD was used). But the US was new, but I cant' see it because it's NTSC!

Edu.

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Sorry to post for this kind of request but I didn't receive answer from author of this realase trough PM. Maybe he didn't read his mailbox anymore ?

So, is there somebody can help me to find this release ? I'm looking for this theatrical cut since years.

Thanks.

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Hi,

it's not the real theatrical version, but you can find it in blu-torrents or just the hdtvrip used in xrutor.ru.

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Please show us evidence of your claim, that this not the theatrical cut...

This is also available on MS;)

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Hi,

I don't see it in MySpleen (MS?).

I will take some pictures of The French Laser Disc and Spanish VHS, and some of that called Theatrical. But just looking at http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=377524 you can see that the first scene (0:04:38) of this "Original Theatrical Cut" is similar to the Director's Cut and not even like the other (suposed) Theatrical Cut.

Greetings.

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edumj said:

Hi,

I don't see it in MySpleen (MS?).



 It really isn't that difficult.  Search: Mohicans.  Click Search! button.  Uploader is jerryshadoe.  Done.


Edit:  Oh and by the way you've already been there and posted a comment. 

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stretch009 said:

edumj said:

Hi,

I don't see it in MySpleen (MS?).



 It really isn't that difficult.  Search: Mohicans.  Click Search! button.  Uploader is jerryshadoe.  Done.


Edit:  Oh and by the way you've already been there and posted a comment. 

Yes, I posted there! (I spelled it bad...)

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jerryshadoe said:

@ PDB - thanx4the kind words;o)

@ faust1103 - The German audio track was a pain in the a** to sync. The only way to fix it is for me to try to re-sync it to the English audio and re-release the entire thing. How badly out-of-sync is it? I'm willing to remedy this and tell you how to remux it back to the "original" release if need be. I apologize for that, I honestly thought that all the audio tracks were synced properly...

You could resync the German audio and release just that to be muxed in as a replacement.  It would be far easier and less time consuming.

:)

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@Jerry,

again many thanks for releasing this.

One question though:

How do I access the chapter menu? When I press the button in main menu nothing happens.

Maybe I am just dumb?

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Hi,

can I embed YouTube videos here? I'm uploading comparissons of Theatrical Cuts in Mega and YouTube.

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Hi,

you can see comparisons of French Laser Disc and Spanish VHS, versus the supposed Theatrical Cut by shadoe (taken from HDTV):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arPuAOBSJE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz60u2ArBfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRahLqXw_o0

In the first video you can see that the initial credits are diferent from LD/VHS. There are more "letters" after that "1757" and the mountains appears later.

In the second video I've resync the BD credits and mountains with LD/VHS, so you can see that the end of the hunting scene is 2-3 seconds shorter in BD. And there is an extended scene with that guy turning his head inside the cabin.

In the third video, I've resync again but there is different cabin shot, and inside the cabin another extended scene when the woman talks...

And that's only the first 5 minutes!

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So the BD that was made is indeed NOT the theatrical but posted as theatrical? I knew I should have waited before downloading.

By the way thanks for those youtube links, when we did our version of Conan The Barbarian US theatrical I went over it a thousand times lol to make sure all was right, no offense but this is why I generally only like our projects, but no biggee easy to delete off the server.

Thanks again for sharing the differences, if you spot more please share.

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This BD seems more like the Director's cut (I still have not checked the released BluRay or DVD)

In this links:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=377524
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=116790

there are comparisons of "Theatrical Versión vs Director's Definitive Cut" and
"Theatrical Versión vs Director's Expanded Edition" but that "Theatrical" is taken from the German DVD (that should be like the Spanish DVD) and also is not the real Theatrical Cut!

I'll look for the spanish DVD and compare also with the released BluRay...

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@ dark_jedi - Stroking your ego about your superiority and that of your projects, while bashing my work based on one person's assumption is not only childish, but insulting as well. I invested a lot of love and time not only into editing, gathering numerous, unique extras (not available on any other release) and assembling everything but also on RESEARCH.

@ edumj - I find it hilarious that you post links comparing the theatrical version to the DDC and DEE, while claiming that that is not the "real" theatrical cut. Then why post them? Is everyone wrong except you? WTF?!
The side-by-side comparisons you posted show that the VHS and French LD are different, true, but where is it written that those are, in fact, the theatrical cut? I have searched all over the internet and have found nothing to back that claim. The fact that the beginning credits are different can easily be explained with localized versions of the text for French and Spanish versions and does NOT prove that the HDTV (that my project is sourced from) isn't the theatrical cut. When I did a side-by-side of the R2/R4/HDTV, they are all the same (with exception of 1 or 2 frames at some scene/shot changes which doesn't affect overall runtime)

The runtime for the theatrical cut is listed as 112 minutes (according to IMDB) which is, in fact, the runtime of this release. Furthermore, the DEE is around 7 minutes longer, while the DDC is about 4 minutes longer (according to the links you posted on movie-censorship) You are welcome to do side-by-side comparisons between this release and BOTH of those, where you will clearly see that this is NOT EITHER one of those versions.

I saw this movie numerous times in the theaters when it came out in Poland and this version is what I remember seeing. Am still looking for a 35mm print, which will once and for all establish what is what;)

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Hi,


@ jerryshadoe - I didn't pretend to be funny...
I'm not judging your work, I know the effort of looking for all possible editions searching for all possible Extras, for example.

As I said, those links are comparing the 2 different Director's versions with a German DVD thats claims to be the Theatrical Cut, just because it was the first DVD released!

The Warner R2 DVD was released in Spain in 2001, while the VHS I think it's from 1993, and the FOX LD are from 1993 and 1998 (THX).

Also, in Spain, there are 3 different dubbings:
 -The first one is from 1992 and is on that VHS, so I have no reason to think that's not the REAL Theatrical cut (also when it matches the French LD).
 -The second is from 2001 made for that R2 DVD because the first one didn't match the different cut on the DVD.
 -The third is from 2005 made for TV just to recover the original voice actors (same cut as DVD).

The beginning credits in the Spanish VHS should not be different from the real theatrical cut, because they are in english!, not like the French LD, which are obviously in french... (I didn't think I have to explain that)

Between my VHS and LD are also 1 or 2 different frames, but always happens dropped frames.

Where it is written that the HDTV you used is the Theatrical Cut? Because it matches the Brazilian DVD? It must be like the R2 DVD as you say, but as I said, it doesn't match the older PAL VHS/LD (I don't know yet about the US VHS/LD)

About the LaserDiscs, here, for example http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1058773 a user says about the Laser Disc "I heard it got the release closest to theatrical for the Last of the Mohicans"
 
Here http://www.amazon.com/Theatrical-Release-Last-Mohicans/forum/Fx270U0FHA7BQ02/TxY46OK9J0DRHC/3/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg3?_encoding=UTF8&asin=6302822696, after a lot of discussion, another user says "You can still buy The Laser disc version which IS the theatrical release and does have all the extra surround sound and wonderful optics"

http://www.examiner.com/review/the-last-of-the-mohicans-director-s-definitive-cut-on-blu-ray "the original theatrical version of the film has not been available since the film was on VHS" and "the theatrical cut was never released on DVD".

http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=129 "Last of the Mohicans Theatrical Cut on LD, different cuts on DVD/BD"

Well, running time is about 4 min less in PAL so I don't know the VHS time, but I'll calculate it.

I have the Director's Definitive Cut BD, not the other Director's cut, but I don't need them if you say that HDTV is like the R2 DVD.

So, when I find my european DVD R2 (that might be like your version) you will see that supposed DVD/HDTV Theatrical Version is also different form LD/VHS, and with MrBrown's help, also the US LD.

I hope you find that 35mm print!

Greetings.

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@ edumj - sorry if I sounded a little harsh in my last post. Thanks for supporting your claim with lots of different sources. This film has always had a lot of controversy over which cut is the actual theatrical cut, even to the point of discussions that there may have been a slightly different theatrical cut for the US and slightly different theatrical cut for Europe. One post that supports this claim is something I just found here by Captain Kahjiit: http://www.fanedit.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-3930.html

I have been trying to find a 16mm/35mm print of the film for some time now and have had no luck:(

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@Jerry,

what about the chapter menu? I cannot semm to get it to work.

Thanks. 

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@jerryshadoe - it's Ok. I also thought it could be an US Theatrical Cut and an European Theatrical Cut! (like Army of Darkness).

I thought there were 4 different cuts, but seeing that post from Captain Kahjiit could be 5 different cuts!

Your BD is just like the R2 DVD (only 3-8 frames frames less).

But, now I just got the 1993 US LD ripped by MrBrown, and it seems just like the R2 DVD! (only changes initial credits "FOX Presents" vs "Morgan Creek Presents")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR4oxJJHkjA

And the Cabin scene is also just like the R2 DVD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8apGZR6Qg

But seeing a little more, there is a 5 seconds Extended Scene in US LD at min 9! (but I think it matches now the French LD!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QoejF8D6g0

It sounds crazy! I was just thinking about an European Theatrical Cut used for European LD/VHS, and an US Theatrical Cut used for HDTV, R2/R4 DVD and US Laser Disc, but this US LD is also different from R2 DVD!!! It's like the US VHS?? May be some scenes are like one of those from Director's Cut?? I still haven't compare them to any Director's Cut...  May be there are 6 different cuts!??

1-1993 US LD, US VHS?? (US Theatrical??)

2-1993 Spanish VHS, 1996 French LD (European Theatrical, pretty sure!)

3-1996 CBS (US TV Cut)

4-1999 R1 DVD (Director's Expanded Edition)

5-2001 R2/R4 DVD, HDTV (US Theatrical?? with some Director's Scenes??)

6-2010 BluRay (Director's Definitive Cut)

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Michael Mann is notorious that keeps tinkering with his films for pretty much every video release, I think all DVDs and the blu-ray of Heat are slightly different from each other, and from the theatrical cut as well.

There are at least three or four versions of Manhunter, three versions of Thief (original theatrical cut, the LD cut and the director’s cut which was released in blu-ray with retarded blue tint), I think The Insider might be his only film which was released in the theatrical cut on dvd and blu-ray.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mann has tinkered with The Last of the Mohicans for every different video release as well, and the original theatrical cut is probably not available at all, except maybe in VHS.