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Has anybody seen Michael Bay's new film 'Pain and Gain'?

I was watching/listening to movie critic Mark Kermode destroying it in an epic rant. It seems to be the worst review he's given a film in the more than 10 years he's been doing his show (That includes 'Sex and the city 2'!). Highlights from his review include...

"Anybody with a beating heart and soul ought to be offended by the movie"

"A black gaping void like hole"

"Steeped in gross misogyny"

"It is not a movie for adults... indeed it is not a movie for sentient, living, breathing beings"

"Like swimming in a sewer"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcHvRhq36hw

Wow, almost tempted to see it just to witness how bad it is.

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I know right double side boob!

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valinkrai said:

Fascinating to see how the way we read lines has evolved. Had to struggle to comprehend dialogue in Casablanca due to accents and rapid delivery, and in Django Unchained it was hard to not understand anything.

I don't know how to respond to this but I feel like I should be offended somehow.

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valinkrai said:

in Django Unchained it was hard to not understand anything.

Except for their whole ham-fisted plan.

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The Big Lebowski (2008)

It seems like at least once every other month I encounter someone start off a sentence with: "Remember that part in The Big Lebowski when..." and then I say, "Well, I've never actually seen it..." They they say, "WHAT? You've NEVER seen THE BIG LEBOWSKI!" Jaws end up all over the floor, I get chastised, the conversation dies, and I leave feeling like less of a man.

So, to combat this, I finally watched The Big Lebowski.

I was expecting something very different, something I wasn't really going to enjoy that much filled with the kind of broad humor I don't really get behind very easily. All the gifs and clips and quotes I've seen online have made me think this was some silly sort of comedy you'd expect to find playing on a loop at frat houses across America.

Turns out... Okay... Well, yeah, it is totally the sort of movie you'd expect to find playing on an endless loop in frat houses... But, it is also much more than that and nothing like I expected. I found it to be a fairly intelligent film, and quite a bit of good silly fun.

From now on I can just say, "Yeah, of course we remember that part!" and the conversation can continue. I feel like much has been accomplished this week.

There are two types of people in this world - people who liked TBL, and people I don't want to know.

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Black Christmas (1974)

I really think this is a movie that's best watched late at night during the colder months, not in the middle of a sunny summer day - there's no other reason I can come up with for why I didn't like it as much as I did the first and last time I saw it.

Of course, a big reason I liked the movie the first time I watched it was due to my initial exposure to the killer's insane ravings and the emotional reactions they inspired; knowing what to expect may have diluted it for me this time around.

Prince of Darkness (1987)

Definately one of Carpenter's best made movies; there's only two things I'd change - I wouldn't have shown the Anti-God (that glimpse of a stereotypical red devil hand really tainted the mystique of the entity) and I probably would have dropped that bit about Jesus being an alien.

Dawn of the Dead (1978)

This movie is - to put it bluntly - overindulgent, overlong, and overrated. Hell, I won't even stop there; this was even worse than Land of the Dead, and it has just as much reason to exist - namely, none.

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Dawn of the Dead (1978)

This movie is - to put it bluntly - overindulgent, overlong, and overrated. Hell, I won't even stop there; this was even worse than Land of the Dead, and it has just as much reason to exist - namely, none.

You are undead to me.

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RE: Dawn of the Dead (1978)

Or, I don't know, maybe its reason to exist is that people who aren't you actually like it. In fact, a lot of people like it, its often cited as the best zombie movie of all time, and often even pops up in best films of all time lists. No reason to exist? It was a major pioneer in the zombie genre, just about every piece of zombie media intentionally references this film in some way. It is also a nifty commentary on consumer society.

It's hard to fathom someone saying such an iconic and important piece of cinematic history has no reason to exist. To say it has no reason to exist is to say it is irrelevant, and Dawn of the Dead is anything but irrelevant. Once its reached the status of having influenced so much, you can't say it has no reason to exist without either being laughed at or appearing like you are simply just trying to bait conversation.

Someone could hate Casablanca with all their heart, and that would be just fine, but if they were to say it was irrelevant and had no reason to exist, it would then become clear they are just talking without putting any real thought behind their words and it would be hard to take anything they say seriously from then on.

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Opened a can of worms with Dawn of the Dead, i would have understood if you hadn't quoted the date of release, and maybe have got it mixed it up with the remake (did you?). But your getting mashed up with the sheer volume of films your viewing.

Bad Heather.

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doubleKO said:

valinkrai said:

in Django Unchained it was hard to not understand anything.

Except for their whole ham-fisted plan.

As I indicated, I was talking about the dialogue itself.

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The 1978 DOTD packs in more satire of western culture and the human condition into it's run time than all the films in the last decade put together. Reason enough to exist alone IMO.

However, I could see why somebody might find it overlong and slowpaced... although I'd disagree. The remake is much 'faster and more intense' but ultimately it lacks the thought, heart, soul and wit of the original.

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Dawn of the Dead is the greatest zombie film of all time, no question.

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I guess you could have done the whole film as a slide show of :

Society crumbles.

They found a shopping mall.

They secure it and marvel at all the things they have.

Without a social context they suffer the poverty of material wealth.

To steal their useless treasures their fortress is raided.

Only the dead win.

I personally feel you need to have the long duration to feel the monotony of a world with all that society graves but without society.

Even the pregnancy is rendered into a burden.

Nobody to celebrate it with, no future to plan for, just shop after shop full of free baby clothes and toys.

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valinkrai said:

doubleKO said:

valinkrai said:

in Django Unchained it was hard to not understand anything.

Except for their whole ham-fisted plan.

As I indicated, I was talking about the dialogue itself.

It's Quentin Tarantino, your not supposed to understand anything unless you think bout it.

Although it does go in my turd pile along with Death Proof.

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If you could only watch one zombie film in your life, it should be Dawn of the Dead (1978). It's the entire sub-genre in one film, and as Bingo said, the length/monotony is part of the experience.

If you had to watch two, it would be Dawn and Shaun.

You know what has no reason to exist? The word "overrated".

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Europa Report (2013)

Randomly decided to check my local art theater to see what was playing and was surprised to see this listed. I remember seeing the trailer a while back and looking forward to it. I'm sad that it was only given such a tiny limited release. It was only playing once a day at 4:30 there. The film was pretty enjoyable. Good suspense. It was strange to hear Sharlto Copley attempt an American accent. Also surprising to see Hutch from Fanboys in this.

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valinkrai said:

doubleKO said:

valinkrai said:

in Django Unchained it was hard to not understand anything.

Except for their whole ham-fisted plan.

As I indicated, I was talking about the dialogue itself.

Apologies for using your quote out of context; my comment was just intended as an addition, not a rebuttal.

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Recently saw "The Muppet Movie" (1979) and "Man on the Moon" (1999), both very entertaining and fascinating movies; I was moved to tears by "Rainbow Connection", and mesmerized by Jim Carrey's performance as Andy Kaufman.

At times I forgot I was watching "Mr. Rubberface".

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Recently I saw the Rutles in concert so with their music still washing around in my head I watched All You Need Is Cash (1978) again.

Unlike This Is Spinal Tap (1984) (which is a perfect satirical balance of tunes and laughs) the film isn't as good as the music, indeed some of Eric Idle's delivery is painfully forced. 4 Teabags.

I also saw Norwegian Zombie Nazi Comedy Dead Snow (2009).

It's not the worst Norwegian Zombie Nazi Comedy I've seen this year but it could have been better.

3 snow balls.

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Pitch Black (2000)

New Riddick film is out this week so it was time for a refresher course. Really enjoyed this film. Vin Diesel was perfect for the role. One of the things I love about it is that it's bolts and nuts Scifi. No mystical powers anywhere to be seen just people, advanced technology and deadly alien creatures.

The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury (2004)

An interesting short animated title created to bridge the gap between Pitch Black and Chronicles. Does a pretty good job of easing the more fantastical elements from Chronicles into the universe. Pretty enjoyable little ride overall.

The Chronicles of Riddick (2004)

MAN did I hate this film when it came out! It took the gritty scifi universe established in Pitch Black and filled it with a bunch of fantasy nonsense. Elemental ethereal races and an undeadish army. What is this crap!?!?!

This time around I opted to watch the director's cut which I had heard was vastly superior to the theatrical edition. I found the film to be pretty decent this go around with the only real weakness being the more fantastical elements that I despised. It'll be interesting to see the transition from the ending of this film into the scenario presented for the next.

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RE: Riddick

As far as I can tell, the new movie will be more like a sequel to Pitch Black with little regard to what happened in Chronicles. 

I'm pretty bummed as I, unlike you, prefered the 'destiny/fantasy' elements of Chronicles.  I liked Pitch Black okay, but I was really interested in where the story would go after Chronicles.

The new movie seems to be a "It's dark, things are attacking us, I guess we'll have to work with Riddick so at least some of us will live" plot again, which I don't think I have much interest in seeing again.

I did think the DC of Chronicles was superior, but not terribly so.  I think the scene with the Furian Elemental helped round out the mystical part of the movie.

I liked to think that Pitch Black:Chronicles Trilogy was as Hobbit:LotR.  A simple tale that puts some pieces in place so that the epic story can begin.  Now that the epic story of Riddick is:

(*Spoilers*)

BB: Riddick is Captured and then Escapes From Supermax
DA: Riddick is Captured and then Escapes from Slavers
PB: Riddick is a Captive, Kills Dark Beasties, and then Escapes
DF: Riddick is Captured, and then Escapes from Slavers (again)
CR: Riddick, the last Furian, has a destiny to kill the leader of a giant army of Necros.  Along with some allies, he risks all to save a young woman whom he unintentionally led into a dangerous lifestyle, being chased by the Necro leader all the while.  Meanwhile, Vaako, a high ranking Necro, and his wife plot an overthrow of their leader.  Continuing his quest to rescue his friend/right a previous wrong, Riddick planet hops to save poor Jack.  She dies anyways, causing Riddick to unleash his anger, fullfill a prophecy, and end up the leader of the army.  Where to now, Riddick?  Your move.
R: Riddick is captured, Kills Dark Beasties, and then escapes? (again?)

It seems Chronicles was an odd day that Riddick did something other than get captured, kill some stuff, and escape.  Not so epic afterall.  :/

Here's hoping Riddick wins me over!  But I have to imagine it won't.  :(

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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More RE: Riddick-

I like this review at Rotten Tomatoes (where it's currently sitting at 62% fresh)

If you're willing to accept Riddick for what it is, a three-star movie, you will find that it is in fact a four-star three-star movie.

William Bibbiani
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I wish I had come up with that.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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The Hitcher II: I've Been Waiting (2003)

If killing off Jim and the stupid idea that Jake Busey was the reincarnation of John Ryder hadn't destroyed all chances of this sequel turning out even halfway decent, then the retarded duel between the tanker truck and the plane at the end surely would have.

On the bright side, I did like Busey's performance.

High Plains Drifter (1973)

God, I love this movie. I don't know what it is - the cinematography, the performances, the score, the supernatural angle, all of the above - but everything just falls into place wonderfully and clicks like the Flash trying to fire an unloaded pistol.

Daughter of Horror (1957)

This film is a perfect example of just why I love B&W cinematography so much. The mood, the atmosphere - there's just so much you can do with B&W that can never be achieved through colour.

As an aside, I'd just like to say I wish I could see the original unnarrated version that was released in 1955 until the title Dementia. Unfortunately, the only version I could find available to watch online was this later version.

Un chein andalou (1929)

Incredibly amusing, but not the greatest mindfuck I've ever had.

Alien (1979)

As I've mentioned before elsewhere, I'm not really a fan of this movie; I found the characters bland and uninteresting, and the performances of the cast were just merely adequate to me.

In spite of that, I do think this film was excellently made on a technical level, and the universe this film initially presented was very interesting, held a lot of potential, and was ripe for further exploration/development (suffice it to say, I don't think any of the sequels/spinoffs I've seen fulfilled that potential).

Jaws 2 (1978)

Not a bad sequel, and it could have been just as good as the original. Unfortunately, the characterization and atmosphere of suspense was severely lacking, and far too often it felt like I was watching a slasher flick with a shark as the antagonist.

Mr. Brooks (2007)

Not a bad movie - Costner was good, William Hurt was better - but it lacked a little something that could have really put it up there. Also, I wasn't fond of Demi Moore in this film - her presence was distracting, and I think the role really should have been played by someone else (preferably someone who isn't an A-list movie starlet).

Day of the Dead (1985)

Much to my surprise, I actually liked this movie. IMO, this had everything Dawn of the Dead completely lacked - a good story, compelling characters, and decent looking zombies.

The only aspect I didn't like too much was the idea that the zombie epidemic had lead to the near-extinction of mankind; again, IMO, I think it's a little far-fetched that humans couldn't have learned how to adequately contain the zombies, and I find the scenario presented at the end of Night of the Living Dead far more plausible.

Zardoz (1974)

I expected this to be one of those silly "so-bad-they're-good" Star Wars/Mad Max knockoffs that proliferated the 80's, but I was surprised by how beautifully made this movie actually was. The homoerotic red undies aside, I think this is an incredibly deep, emotional movie that is unfairly mocked for no good reason and is criminally underrated.

Anyone who isn't able to understand and/or appreciate the nature of non-linear/surrealist/Dadaist/absurdist films probably will think I'm just pulling their leg here, but this is my honest-to-God opinion on the film.