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xhonzi said:

Additionaly, this movie has an odd religious message,... ... ...

... ... ...At any rate, this is a very fitting story for a movie made in today's religious belief climate, I guess.  It would have never flown in 1981.

I don't think the film had any point to make about religious beliefs. I think it was an unoriginal and confused mess because it had nothing to say and went with easy choices, even if they didn't make sense.

The producers wanted a nice clear conflict, preferably about freedom, like "300" had.  Who is there to rebel against? The Gods!

The hero needs motivation. To restore his kingdom is not cliche enough. How about something easy like Revenge? A god killed his father!!! Briilliant!

The hero needs to be conflicted like all heroes, and also be a superhero. Lets give him god-powers! Doesn't that go against the theme!? We'll have him not use any until it's really badass, so the audience won't care!

Who's the main baddie? Hades. Why? Didn't you see Disney's Hercules? And Zeus is the good guy, despite being a rapist and King of the Gods who are the main problem in the first place.

It's amazing that this film is both:

  • Way more complicated than the original.
  • Has even less emotional depth than the admittedly shallow original.
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I think part of the idea was: How much setup does a movie based on Greek mythology need?  We all know who Zeus and Hades are.  We all like giant Scorpions and Greek soldiers fighting.  Put them in a box, let them fight...  MAKE MONEY!

But it didn't really work, in my humblest of opinions.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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It's hard to concentrate on such a low-brow concept as religion when I've just watched the first half of the most important movie ever created...

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TV's Frink said:

It's hard to concentrate on such a low-brow concept as religion when I've just watched the first half of the most important movie ever created...

 Starship Troopers?

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xhonzi said:

I think part of the idea was: How much setup does a movie based on Greek mythology need?  We all know who Zeus and Hades are.  We all like giant Scorpions and Greek soldiers fighting.  Put them in a box, let them fight...  MAKE MONEY!

But it didn't really work, in my humblest of opinions.

It might have worked better like this:

1. Put them in a box

2. ???

3. PROFIT!

 

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TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

I think part of the idea was: How much setup does a movie based on Greek mythology need?  We all know who Zeus and Hades are.  We all like giant Scorpions and Greek soldiers fighting.  Put them in a box, let them fight...  MAKE MONEY!

But it didn't really work, in my humblest of opinions.

It might have worked better like this:

1. Put them in a box

2. ???

3. PROFIT!

 

1. cut a hole in the box
2. ???
3. PROFIT!

???

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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TheBoost said:

TV's Frink said:

TheBoost said:

TV's Frink said:

It's hard to concentrate on such a low-brow concept as religion when I've just watched the first half of the most important movie ever created...

 Starship Troopers?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/What-are-you-waiting-for-What-are-you-are-you-looking-forward-to/post/444779/#TopicPost444779

 I dont' know what that is. Is it from YESTERDAY WAS A LIE FEATURING PETER MAYHEW?

It's BETTER!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room_%28film%29

Granted I've only seen the first half but consider my mind blown.

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xhonzi said:

TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

I think part of the idea was: How much setup does a movie based on Greek mythology need?  We all know who Zeus and Hades are.  We all like giant Scorpions and Greek soldiers fighting.  Put them in a box, let them fight...  MAKE MONEY!

But it didn't really work, in my humblest of opinions.

It might have worked better like this:

1. Put them in a box

2. ???

3. PROFIT!

 

1. cut a hole in the box
2. ???
3. PROFIT!

???

Hey, if you prefer the SNL route over the South Park route, I'm not going to try and talk you out of it.

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xhonzi said:

I think part of the idea was: How much setup does a movie based on Greek mythology need?  We all know who Zeus and Hades are.  We all like giant Scorpions and Greek soldiers fighting.  Put them in a box, let them fight...  MAKE MONEY!

But it didn't really work, in my humblest of opinions.

 I agree with you, but I think the studio COMPLICATED the whole thing beyond reason because it was the most cliche thing to do. They set up too much.

  • Comic relief hunters join the party for no reason.
  • Other soldier guy hates the gods cuz his daughter died.
  • The only guy who actually notices the gods DO exist and WILL kick your ass is protrayed as a crazy cultist.
  • Perseus has daddy issues.
  • Perseus "chooces" to be a man but uses all God powers all the time.
  • Zeus is both good and bad, but all ineffectual.
  • Girl cursed with immortallity.
  • Charcoal man is bad, joins the team for no reason and dies.

 

While the plot of the original isn't brilliant, it's elegant in that it isn't full of needless complications that add nothing to the overall film.

And for what it's worth, I thought the action was not fun to watch.

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So I thought it would be interesting to see some of John Woo's American films.

Bad idea. Very bad idea that I have now given up on.

Tried to get through Face/Off and Mission Impossible II.

His American work has none of the Hong Kong/Chow Yun-Fat magic. Thank goodness he finally went back to China.

VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
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xhonzi said:

But Mads Mikkelsen (not to be confused with Michael Madsen) was excellent.

Like that would ever happen - Mads Mikkelsen can act ;)

If you have a chance to see the deleted footage you'll realise that the film that people spent all that time working on never saw the light of day - and the film you [and I] wasted two hours on was born in the editing room.

It's a real shame to see they actually filmed scenes with the other gods and especially Apollo only to replace him with Zeus later on.

Despite the MANY chop / change moments that basically neutered this adventure there were some just plain BAD ideas inserted.

I mean, who was the asshat who decided to take the king [Acrisius] and the malevolent Calibos and merge them into a single character?

We shouldn't have needed Io [Gemma's character] to connect the disjointed dots for us.

And then of course Io tells us that living forever is a curse - so what's her happy ending? - to CONTINUE living forever.

Gotta agree with all you and others have said, in the end it was a complete waste. - the real sting coming from paying an extra 5 bucks for the most flat / boring / uninspired 3D I've ever witnessed.

Hate to harp on but the movie is just so disappointing, it really could / should have been an epic.

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The Man Who Fell to Earth-great movie that takes a while to digest. You can't really ask yourself what exactly is going on while it plays, but afterwords it stays in your head and grows exponentially. David Bowie as an alien= priceless.

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Dragonball Evolution:

I DVRed this expecting total crap. You know, it wasn't half bad. I could see potential in it that they could have done better with, but a sequel might have let it work itself out. This one was a bit rushed, as it seemed to end just as it was starting.

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captainsolo said:

The Man Who Fell to Earth-great movie that takes a while to digest. You can't really ask yourself what exactly is going on while it plays, but afterwords it stays in your head and grows exponentially. David Bowie as an alien= priceless.

 Oh No Not Again.

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xhonzi said:

But Mads Mikkelsen (not to be confused with Michael Madsen) was excellent.

Like that would ever happen - Mads Mikkelsen can act ;)

If you have a chance to see the deleted footage you'll realise that the film that people spent all that time working on never saw the light of day - and the film you [and I] wasted two hours on was born in the editing room.

<snip>

The RedBox BD was a special "rental" version that didn't have any special features, or else I would have watched the alt. ending and deleted scenes.  I don't get BD from Netflix- are these on the DVD?

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi said:

Johnny Ringo said:

xhonzi said:

But Mads Mikkelsen (not to be confused with Michael Madsen) was excellent.

Like that would ever happen - Mads Mikkelsen can act ;)

If you have a chance to see the deleted footage you'll realise that the film that people spent all that time working on never saw the light of day - and the film you [and I] wasted two hours on was born in the editing room.

 

The RedBox BD was a special "rental" version that didn't have any special features, or else I would have watched the alt. ending and deleted scenes.  I don't get BD from Netflix- are these on the DVD?

 

Yeah, but I think the unfinished original ending is BD only - Perseus rescues Andromeda - they kiss, he tells her there's something he needs to take care of, rides off into the sky on Pegasus.

then we cut to the Gods in some sort of assembly, Perseus walks in scraping his sword along the floor to get their attention, Zeus tells the other gods to fuck off for a bit, Perseus and Zues have a bit of an argument with Perseus demanding that they show mankind respect and stop being complete asshats all the time.

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I am officially obsessed by The Room.

http://www.theroommovie.com/roompics/posterc.gif

This is the best worst movie I've seen in a long long time.  I didn't think it could live up to the hype, but man oh man did it ever deliver.

First good sign: It's a Wiseau Films production.  It's written by Tommy Wiseau.  It's produced by Tommy Wiseau.  It's directed by Tommy Wiseau.  It stars Tommy Wiseau.  Go Team Wiseau!

The movie is supposed to be a comedy.  At least, that's how it is described in the Netflix summary:

Uninhibited by cinematic convention, this quirky cult favorite about lust and duplicity delivers nonstop laughs from beginning to end as the film's central character Johnny (writer-director Tommy Wiseau) discovers that his foxy fiancée, Lisa (Juliette Danielle), is bedding his best friend. Adding to the hilarity are Greg Sestero, who plays the backstabbing buddy Mark, and Carolyn Minnott as Lisa's materialistic mom.

Here's the first line of the IMBD summary:

A black comedy about love, passion, betrayal and lies.

However, this is clear revisionist history.  This film was clearly meant as a serious drama, but it's really a bizarre ego trip that is an amazing piece of unintentional comedy.

No one in this film can act.  The movie is about a love triangle, but all sorts of random shit keeps happening that has nothing to do with the plot.  Here's just a few things I really enjoyed:

Denny, a random kid who acts like he's 14 but is supposedly in college, shows up from time to time for no good reason.  At one point he's meeting with a drug dealer who pulls a gun on him because he owes money, and Johnny and Mark "save him".  And...that's it.

Johnny's future mother-in-law also randomly shows up occasionally, mostly to give her daughter terrible advice like "you should marry Johnny even though you hate him, because he's rich."  At one point she randomly says, "I have breast cancer," and never brings it up again.  Ohhhkayyy...

At Johnny's birthday party, he suddenly announces that Lisa is pregnant.  This is the first we've heard of it too.  Lisa has this exchange with Steven, a guy who apparently is a friend but just shows up out of nowhere during the party:

Steven: When is the baby due?
Lisa: There is no baby.
Steven: What? What are you talking about?
Lisa: I told him that to make it interesting.

There's a scene where the four guys are apparently trying out the tuxedos for the upcoming wedding.  Except the scene takes place in Johnny's house, and then they decide to go outside in their tuxedos and throw around a football.  This comes to a quick end when one of the guys (a psychologist who only shows up halfway through the movie with no introduction) trips over his own feet and falls down.  They pick him up, move off camera....and SCENE!

By the way, you've never seen a movie with so much throwing of a football in your life.  And most of it is between guys standing about two feet apart.

Here's a few more great lines (leaving out the iconic "Lisa you're tearing me apart!"):

Mark: You don't understand anything, man. Leave your *stupid* comments in your pocket!

Mark: As far as I'm concerned, you can drop off the Earth. That's a promise.

Johnny: I kill you, you bastard!
Mark: You couldn't kill me if you tried.
Johnny: You betrayed me... you that good... you, you're just a chicken, chirp-chirp-chirp-chirp, cheep, cheep.

Claudette: Men are assholes. Men and women use and abuse each other all the time, there's nothing wrong with it. Marriage has nothing to do with love.

Lisa: Do you want me to order a pizza?
Johnny: Whatever, I don't care.
Lisa: I already ordered a pizza.
Johnny: You think about everything, ha ha ha.

Lisa: You can come out now, Johnny. She's gone.
Johnny: In a few minutes, bitch.
Lisa: Who are you calling a bitch?
Johnny: You and your stupid mother.

Johnny: Hi, doggy!

Johnny: Thank you honey, this is a beautiful party! You invited all my friends. Good thinking!

Steven: I feel like I'm sitting on an atomic bomb waiting for it to go off.
Michelle: ...Me too.

And I almost forgot...every time someone walks into a room (which happens at least once if not more in every scene), Johnny says "oh hai, ______" (fill in blank with character name).  The Oh Hai Johnny Drinking Game would be a blast.

For example:

Johnny: I did not hit her, it's not true! It's bullshit! I did not hit her! I did *not*. Oh hi, Mark.

If you haven't seen this movie, I insist you go do so now!  It changed my life and it will change yours too.  And if you have seen it, but didn't watch the interview with Tommy Wiseau on the DVD, you must re-rent the DVD.  I can't possibly do it justice, but here's the wiki description:

The DVD features an interview with Wiseau, who is asked questions by an off-screen Greg Sestero. Wiseau sits directly in front of a fireplace, with a mantel cluttered by a candelabra, a football, a basketball, red roses, and a clock radio;[19] next to him sits a large framed theatrical poster for the film. His dialogue throughout the interview, like in the film, is heavily dubbed.

What had me in tears was the part where the sound quality obviously changes as the audio switches from live to dubbed and then back to live.  The interviewer (Mark from the movie) asks him why the movie is called "The Room" and Wiseau replies the room is "a special place, a private place, a place where you can be safe. And it's not 'a' room but it's 'the' room!"

Thanks for clearing that up.

If I haven't convinced you yet, here's a pretty good summary of the film:
http://www.ifc.com/news/2009/03/a-primer-on-the-room.php

Lastly, my favorite quote from a Rifftrax interview with one of the cast members:

A story which Greg wasn’t there for, but which remained legendary on the set throughout the shoot, occurred on the first day. Wiseau had a reputation for being “Sweaty and Smelly” on the set, and the cast watched in horror as he jumped on the actress who plays “Lisa” when they started filming their “love scene.” Lisa, who had pretty much “just gotten off the bus from Texas.”  Oh, and she was 18. I believe our wincing was audible over the phone.

And...SCENE!

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Frink how have you not seen it before? Also, Lisa wasn't that bad an actress... poor girl had to get involved in this.
the best lines:
Lisa: Did you get the promotion?
Tommy: Nah. *sits down*
Lisa: You didn't get it, did you... :<

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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bkev said:

Also, Lisa wasn't that bad an actress...

You're just saying that because you got to see her topless ;-)

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I don't know, I hadn't even heard of this movie until a few months ago.

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She was the best out of most of them. Also, the movie is guilty of the whole dubbing problem you talked about as well and it's great. Seriously, where the hell is Wiseau's accent from?

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Yeah... no. That doesn't sound like any of those places.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em