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poita said:
The best demodulator is this one: Yamaha APD-1
I agree that is a good AC3 RF demodulator, but as I investigated a lot before buying one, I discovered that all AC3 RF demodulators use the same chip (licensed from Pioneer)... so, it's not possible to assume that this is the best (nor the worst): the all do the same jobs, quality-wise, while others have some interesting features, as the Pioneer RFD-1 has 1 AC3 ins, two digital ins and two digital outs (two optical and two electrical) and could act as a switch... I actually have both of them, along with the Pioneer SP-D07 DS&AC3 processor, and, apart features, sound quality is the same...
And 249US$ seems a quite high price, as you can find the same at 1/3rd of the price...
I only meant best as in most reliable. Every other model I have has eventually died, the two Yamahas have never missed a beat. I agree that the sound quality is the same across all of them though.
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Yeah, I've found Audition to be an awkward bugger with my newer X-Fi card - it refuses to capture, complaining of mismatched input/output rates (and it doesn't help that setting the card to exclusively output 44.1/16 locks up the system).
Here's what works for me: Capture in Wave Studio > Upsample in iZotope RX > Edit in Audition.
Just letting each app do what it's best at...
Jonno said:
Yeah, I've found Audition to be an awkward bugger with my newer X-Fi card - it refuses to capture, complaining of mismatched input/output rates (and it doesn't help that setting the card to exclusively output 44.1/16 locks up the system).
Here's what works for me: Capture in Wave Studio > Upsample in iZotope RX > Edit in Audition.
Just letting each app do what it's best at...
Thanks, so I am not the only one that has troubles with this program lol, can you provide a little more detail on how this is done, screens would be great if you can and your exact settings, I can't wait to start testing this, and I need to get Fright Night part 2's audio ripped ASAP lol.
Also will this rip DTS? I need this as well for Mortal Kombat.
Thanks
No problem. I'll start with the capture process since that's the most fiddly, but can follow up with details on the later stages if you need them. This is the procedure for capturing standard PCM - I don't know what the deal is with DTS, but I assume you'll need to use a different app for the capture (unless the RAW save option in Wave Studio gives you a workable file).
Anyway, I've found that the bit-matched setting in this card is a bit fragile, i.e. it's easily disturbed - for that reason it's best to switch it on at the very last minute. So the first step is actually to go into the Creative Audio Control Panel and switch off bit-matched recording:
Next, make sure your input is set correctly. Open the recording properties via the speaker icon on the taskbar, make sure you have Digital-In selected as the source, then look at its properties. Under 'Levels' ensure that you are set to 50%/0dB, then under advanced set the format to 44.1/16 and disable Exclusive Mode.
Now open Wave Studio. There aren't any settings to make here, since it follows the sound card's lead as far as input goes.
The final step before you capture is to reopen the Control Panel and enable Bit-matched recording:
Then it's finally time to start your disc playing and hit the red record button in Wave Studio:
Unlike Audition you won't see the waveform appearing progressively, but you should see the level meters nice and active.
When you've finished your capture you'll see the waveform for the whole file, and have the opportunity to preview it.
Finally save your capture as standard PCM.
That ought to do it! Let me know how you get on.
Sorry to bring this old thread up again but now that I have ripping DTS and Digital PCM down I am ready to rip ac3, I need to rip the ac3 track from Maximum Overdrive, I have the Digital PCM and damn does it sound great and makes up a kick ass custom 5.1, but I really want the ac3 track for our upcoming release as well, I have a Pioneer CLD-79 Elite and the Yamaha APD-1, what I really need to know is how do I hook this up lol, I know that with DTS and PCM you rip with 44.1\16 and with ac3 it is 48\16 already but I can figure out something as simple as how do I hook this baby up lol.
Thanks
*edit, looking at this more it looks like I use my optical out from the APD-1 to my M-Audio device but what cable do I use from the Pioneer to my APD-1? will just any RCA cable work? does it matter if it is an audio red\blue or the yellow video? or is it an all together different cable?
dark_jedi said:
Sorry to bring this old thread up again but now that I have ripping DTS and Digital PCM down I am ready to rip ac3, I need to rip the ac3 track from Maximum Overdrive, I have the Digital PCM and damn does it sound great and makes up a kick ass custom 5.1, but I really want the ac3 track for our upcoming release as well, I have a Pioneer CLD-79 Elite and the Yamaha APD-1, what I really need to know is how do I hook this up lol, I know that with DTS and PCM you rip with 44.1\16 and with ac3 it is 48\16 already but I can figure out something as simple as how do I hook this baby up lol.
Thanks
*edit, looking at this more it looks like I use my optical out from the APD-1 to my M-Audio device but what cable do I use from the Pioneer to my APD-1? will just any RCA cable work? does it matter if it is an audio red\blue or the yellow video? or is it an all together different cable?
I believe any RCA cable will work. You might want to get a nice quality Mogami one if you're looking for durability.
The hookup should be like this...
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Thank you, I must have got screwed, the damn APD-1 does not turn on and all I get is a bunch of frickin noise so I guess ac3 ripping is out of the question, I knew I should have tried this damn thing out when I got it a couple months ago.
Thanks again
dark_jedi said:
Thank you, I must have got screwed, the damn APD-1 does not turn on and all I get is a bunch of frickin noise so I guess ac3 ripping is out of the question, I knew I should have tried this damn thing out when I got it a couple months ago.
Thanks again
I'll look around to see if I can find something cheap.
You might want to ask around on LDDb to see if there's a simple fix.
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AntcuFaalb said:
dark_jedi said:
Thank you, I must have got screwed, the damn APD-1 does not turn on and all I get is a bunch of frickin noise so I guess ac3 ripping is out of the question, I knew I should have tried this damn thing out when I got it a couple months ago.
Thanks again
I'll look around to see if I can find something cheap.
You might want to ask around on LDDb to see if there's a simple fix.
Actually I have just been chatting with Duncan and I am going to send it to him, hopefully he can fix it for me, but thanks for helping me out here, I am sure I will have more questions when I get it back working.
dark_jedi said:
AntcuFaalb said:
dark_jedi said:
Thank you, I must have got screwed, the damn APD-1 does not turn on and all I get is a bunch of frickin noise so I guess ac3 ripping is out of the question, I knew I should have tried this damn thing out when I got it a couple months ago.
Thanks again
I'll look around to see if I can find something cheap.
You might want to ask around on LDDb to see if there's a simple fix.
Actually I have just been chatting with Duncan and I am going to send it to him, hopefully he can fix it for me, but thanks for helping me out here, I am sure I will have more questions when I get it back working.
OK, no problem!
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I have a question about bit-perfect Laserdisc audio capturing:
I use a Soundblaster X-FI Titanium card with the official ASIO drivers and the bit-perfect recording is done by wavelab 6 or reaper. With both programs I get the digital signal.
BUT during my testings I found out something really disturbing/interesting:
I have done another capture of the same Laserdisc sound via analog audio which is definetely in the correct playing time (I see that during the cutting process for an HD Master).
The incoming digital signal is shorter than it analog counterpart!
I tested this also with a cd on a blu-ray player. The original ripped WAV is longer than the optical/digital captured signal.
To be exact: In 5 minutes you have a delay of 10ms
Or the captured audio has to be longer with a factor of 0,0033 (period).
Is that a known problem with this audio card? Or the drivers? Or my settings? I really don't know what to optimize...
2 LD Players and 1 BD Player tested. So it is definetely the sound card or the drivers.
I will definetly support the work here with capturing bit-perfect LD audio, but only if it is 100% correct.
Because many users here have used that card for bit-perfect recording I bought that one and figured out that issue. So it has to be the same with everyone else who uses this card!?
I'm not aware of a secure test to know if a sound card could capture bit-perfect; you can try to capture a laserdisc AC3 or DTS soundtrack - just two minutes - and play the result file through your digital amplifier; if it is bit-perfect, you will hear the right soundtrack; if not, you will hear noise - sometimes with wrong settings you could hear the right soundtrack for some dozen seconds, then only noise...
Probably the problem is not in the digital capture, but into the analog one... you could always use RightMark Audio Analyzer to test your soundcard: just connect the digital out to the digital in, run the test, and you should obtain something like this (or better):
Testing chain: External loopback (line-out - line-in)
| Frequency response (from 40 Hz to 15 kHz), dB: | +0.00, -0.00 | Excellent |
| Noise level, dB (A): | -95.1 | Excellent |
| Dynamic range, dB (A): | 95.1 | Excellent |
| THD, %: | 0.0005 | Excellent |
| IMD + Noise, %: | 0.0052 | Excellent |
| Stereo crosstalk, dB: | -96.0 | Excellent |
| IMD at 10 kHz, %: | 0.0056 | Excellent |
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Thanks for the fast answer. I will run more tests.
I think the bit-perfect capturing is 99,9% safe, but I will try to capture an AC3 Laserdisc (Shame on me, I don't have a DTS Laserdisc).
But the problem is 100% not the analog way of capturing.
When I capture a CD from my Blu-ray player via Toslink, it's the same phenomenon.
The captured WAV via Toslink is shorter than the 1:1 ripped Data WAV from the CD.
That is the ultimate proof that something went wrong during the digital capturing process.
The question is what really went wrong!? Maybe someone here has the same audio card and could also run a test!?
Current (as of early 2014) USB card that is perfect for LD DTS/AC3 capture is ESI Audio U24 XL - as per this
It use there chips:
Tenor TE7022L
http://www.gfec.com.tw/te7022l
Wolfson WM8776
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM8776/
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Hi,
Does anybody have the laserdisc version of Mission Impossible and is willing to rip it, because i'm curious in comparing it to the dvd version.