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I'd take special editions like this with added scenes over the theatrical releases anyday...uh...just for LOTR

Seriously, I felt that they added tremendously to the story (Treebeard's Entmoot and March of the Ents still doesn't make sense though, how did they all just appear?). I especially love the end of TTT when Merry and Pippin found Saruman's stash: classic.


Treebeard's entmoot & march were part of the book. In the book it says something about Teebeard calling them all together. Besides, the trees are obviously alive (Note: the trees got up & walked one night) so they could have carried word to the rest of the Ents.


I know that it was in the book, but the fact is that in the book all of the Ents agreed at the Entmoot to go against Saruman. Do you not remember that long song treebeard sang about casting down towers and monstrosities? Anyway, in the movie all of a sudden these rare Ents that agreed to not get involved in the wars of men suddenly come out in droves right next to orthanc, which is around 200m from where treebeard had his entmoot: that was what I was referring to.
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Any word on the Hobbit? That is going to be made into a movie, right?


If it is going to be produced, for continuity's sake and ours, they will have to get both of the Ians back, Hugo Weaving, and Andy Serkis. But since they seemed to really enjoy working with PJ, they would probably do it in a heartbeat. But if they aren't able to get them back, I hope they just scrap it.
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The Hobbit was written as a children's book. Back when people had more faith in the intelligence of children. As opposed to now when everything is dumbed down...

I agree with the Ent comments. Moreover, Jackson made the Ents downright hasty. He sees the tree stumps (which he somehow didn't know about, even though the trees all talk to each other throughout the forest) and immediately gets all hot, and suddenly there's all these Ents right there with him and all of them immediately are called to action...

The march of the Ents is one of my favorite passages from the books, so to leave it out as well as completely subverting the nature of the Ents was a huge disappointment to me. The storming itself was great, though

I consider myself a Tolkien scholar, having read biographies, literary criticisms, Tolkien's drafts, and so forth so I take the books pretty seriously. Of course I had lots of minor beefs with the movies. But there were very few that actually made me like the movies less. The betrayal of Fangorn's and Faramir's characters were two of those. I'm glad that the EE made Two Towers bearable for me (I loved FOTR and ROTK, though).
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Yes, I agree. Things are really dumbed down these days, but not just things for children, everything is dumbed down for everyone. I mean, look at the No Child Left Behind Act, I know of people at my school that technically should have failed (Fs and Ds in all classes) but were bumped up a grade anyway and offered the opportunity to graduate early.

Then the kids who work their hardest to get Bs and Cs are shunted into the "dumb" classes while the ones bumped up by the No Child Left Behind are cast into the AP or Honors classes and show up less than 10 days a month...I don't understand it.

Anyway, back on topic...
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I'd take special editions like this with added scenes over the theatrical releases anyday...uh...just for LOTR

Seriously, I felt that they added tremendously to the story (Treebeard's Entmoot and March of the Ents still doesn't make sense though, how did they all just appear?). I especially love the end of TTT when Merry and Pippin found Saruman's stash: classic.


Treebeard's entmoot & march were part of the book. In the book it says something about Teebeard calling them all together. Besides, the trees are obviously alive (Note: the trees got up & walked one night) so they could have carried word to the rest of the Ents.


I know that it was in the book, but the fact is that in the book all of the Ents agreed at the Entmoot to go against Saruman. Do you not remember that long song treebeard sang about casting down towers and monstrosities? Anyway, in the movie all of a sudden these rare Ents that agreed to not get involved in the wars of men suddenly come out in droves right next to orthanc, which is around 200m from where treebeard had his entmoot: that was what I was referring to.


Duuuuhhhh....I'm not that deep. I am lost & don't bother trying to explain.

I just hate stupid people.

GO JETS!!!!

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What confuses me is that Jackson said in the documentaries that Treebeard is one of his favorite characters. They did a great job with the voice and concept and all, but how could you reverse your favorite character's ... whatever. He did a great job, really.
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He could have just as easily went with the Hildebrants' version of treebeard, just like a dark man with leaves in his hair. But I'm glad he went the extra mile and came up with the concept that he did, actually looking like a tree that just happens to move.
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So did I.

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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I wholeheartedly agree (on an interesting side-note, I learned the word "wholehearted" from the read-along ESB companion). Visually they far exceeded anything I had ever imagined. It was just the storyline; like with a lot in the movies they left the details pretty much alone but changed the underlying substance. The ents' role in the story was pretty much the same, but the nature of the Ents and their place in Middle Earth was overhauled.
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The Hobbit was written as a children's book. Back when people had more faith in the intelligence of children. As opposed to now when everything is dumbed down...


Wheras JK Rowling isn't quite Tolkien, at least she's made strides to return children's literature to something intelligent with the Harry Potter books. Further, she's doing wonders for the short-attention-span generation. Kids taking time to read an 800-page book over summer vacation? That's not marketing success, it's genuine product success.

You're right, Tolkien (and C.S. Lewis) truly believed in the latent brilliance of children and wrote to it. All three of these figures are Brits, and not Americans. Maybe we're a little too corrupted by our consumerism in the U.S. After all, there isn't a growing Ritalin dependency in Europe that I've heard of.
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I think you're hitting the nail right in the heart of the button.

However, I believe Europe now puts less emphasis on higher education than America. But I worry by the time Teletubbies is done the next generation is going to be mal-developed. We'll see.

But seriously, compare the cartoons we grew up with to modern cartoons. Looney Toons used to familiarize kids with opera and symphony. Bugs Bunny would run intellectual circles around Elmer Fudd and Daffy Duck, and we'd try to keep up. Tom and Jerry would fight over a piano while playing the Hungarian Rhapsody. Nowadays cartoons are just entertainment. Maybe we're turning into the Bread and Circus that France fell to...

Enough rambling. I agree, yay for JK Rowling.
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If you're worried about the Teletubbies generation, you should be even more concerned for the Boobah generation.

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Do tell. What are these boobahs?
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Go check it out @ pbskids.org. It'll scare the pants off ya.

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...if I was WEARING pants.

Which I am. part of the office dress code. Sheesh.
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Can hardly wait for mid December.

Kevin
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Speaking of boobahs, one of those things scared the shit out of me at wal-mart, its so freaky, I had nightmares for weeks.
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Oh, DAYV. I feel for ya.

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Kinda bringing this thing full circle: anyone else ever notice how much the Shire looks like Teletubby Land?

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and boobah is not good?
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