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Originally posted by: C3PX
According to IMDB, they are still part of the cast for the next few episodes. I hope they are dead, but I wouldn't hold my breath
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Originally posted by: Windexed
I am glad, however, that they killed those two off (they did, didn't they.
I am glad, however, that they killed those two off (they did, didn't they.
According to IMDB, they are still part of the cast for the next few episodes. I hope they are dead, but I wouldn't hold my breath
. Maybe they are still part of the cast for some flashbacks.
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The writers seem to love changing things up all the time, not that it should surprise anyone at this point. I thought Locke leaving was pretty weird, but I was pretty sure something else was gonna happen with the two lovebirds who were buried alive. I guess they're really dead.
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I think the whole Juliet and the key thing was to establish an undisputable distrust of her on Kate's part and the part of the viewers. They didn't do the best of explaing that what happened, but I think that is what they were getting at.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Locke had better not become evil.
Locke had better not become evil.
Actually I think they are doing a good job recovering his character. In season one he was one of the best, during the course of season two he was still a great character, but I felt they started ruining him in the last few episodes. Then in season three I have really hated him. I don't think they will make him evil. As you have seen the others have a way of manipulating people, I don't think he went with them because he is pulling a Michael (two for the road, heh heh), they just offered him what he wanted, which has something to do with his dad, and something to do with the bizzare connection he has had with the island since season one. Locke is one of the few still valid characters on the show. I also think they are going in the right direction with Sawyer's character, I like how they finally have him steping up and being a leader type while everybody begins to distrust Jack.
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Oh, and I also jokingly wonder why this show kills off, removes, or ignores every African-American character.
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Bea had it coming.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Locke has been great the last few episodes, but his character seemed totally off from the end of season one through to the beginning of season three. These last few episodes have been fantastic though. It makes me wonder how many different writers compose this show. It seems like the characters are on and off half the time as if they're constantly being taken two directions. The main strength of this show was the character drama in my mind and they need to be consistent for that drama to continue.
Oh, and I also jokingly wonder why this show kills off, removes, or ignores every African-American character. (Seriously, I really liked Rose and Bernard. I want to see them in the show more.)
Locke has been great the last few episodes, but his character seemed totally off from the end of season one through to the beginning of season three. These last few episodes have been fantastic though. It makes me wonder how many different writers compose this show. It seems like the characters are on and off half the time as if they're constantly being taken two directions. The main strength of this show was the character drama in my mind and they need to be consistent for that drama to continue.
Oh, and I also jokingly wonder why this show kills off, removes, or ignores every African-American character.
(Seriously, I really liked Rose and Bernard. I want to see them in the show more.) Yeah, they can sometimes be pretty inconsistent with a character, and that really spoils the show IMHO. Like Jack playing football with the others. That was retarded, Jack is extremely distrusting, put you shelf in his shoes and think if they said "Alright you can go free. In the meantime... wanna play some football" you'd look at them like they are nutz and say "Just get me off this f-ing Island!" Then in the very next epiosde we have distrusting Jack back. It made no sense, they just did it for a end of episode gag, but I don't think it is worth being inconsistent for the sake of gags. However, in the case of Locke, I felt the way you to, Tiptup, at the beginning of the season, now I think they have him much more back to himself. Season one he was this myterious great outdoorsman, then we find out more about him and realize he was NOT at all the way we thought he was. Then as we learn more and more about his past we learn more and more about how insecure he is. The guy had been taken advantage of his whole life. In most of his flashbacks we see him being taken advantage of. Even Ben tried to take advantage of him when they had him captive in the hatch as "Henry", because he know he was an easy target. Since he was on the island he always tried to be the tough guy and the peacemaker. Now he is making a stand and deciding he doesn't want to be the insecure John Locke he has always been (but he still is) and is trying to take the inititive on things. He has some rational reason for what he is doing, what that is, we don't know. He intentionally blew up the communication center, and he intentionally blew up the "only way off the island". By the end of the season Locke is going to be backup on top as one of the best characters of the show.
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I see Locke on the other hand as a much more passive guy except when his anger gets in the way. Throwing a temper tantrum and tossing around pots and pans didn't seem like something he'd do in response to a slight power struggle with Jack. His disagreement with Jack in that scene was over something small and yet with the slightest mention of competition his jealousy explodes? I totally think his anger is understandable, but I doubt it would be expressed over that small issue. The only parts he had in season two that I enjoyed were his interactions with Charlie and the drug issue. Those episodes were great and I liked how they displayed Locke's tendency to being self righteous and hasty. Seeing as how Locke is my favorite character I didn't like those scenes, but they make sense when I think about them. Otherwise, the button pressing episode at the beginning of season two bugged the hell out of me. I don't mind him pressing the button and "having faith" but seriously, he was arguing like a retard. He couldn't have just said, "Hey, I don't know for sure if the button does anything, but I think it would be wise for us to keep pressing it until we learn more." Locke in my mind is an even-handed guy on mysterious things and I think Jack would have accepted that compromise. Instead the scene was a contrived bunch of nonsense for the writer/writers of the show to start blabbing about faith and science in a superficial way. It bugged the hell out of me. Nobody would talk like that in a real life situation like that, much less two prioritizing guys like Jack or Locke!
Either way, Locke is a great character overall. I really hope the writers aren't giving him a horrible past and great moments just so they can take our sympathy and hopes for him as a way to heighten his transformation into a bad guy. I don't mind him making mistakes or opposing the good guys (like with blowing up the sub), but that's because I know he's doing it for good reasons. I don't want to suddenly see him supporting something obviously evil for no reason, but for some reason I have a fear that's going to happen.
I probably shouldn't be analyzing fictional characters this much but it's enjoyable for me. You never know where the actual writers are going to go and if they will contradict how I believe they've presented their characters in the past. I shouldn't want to set myself up for disappointment. Oh well.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
I probably shouldn't be analyzing fictional characters this much but it's enjoyable for me. You never know where the actual writers are going to go and if they will contradict how I believe they've presented their characters in the past. I shouldn't want to set myself up for disappointment. Oh well.
I probably shouldn't be analyzing fictional characters this much but it's enjoyable for me. You never know where the actual writers are going to go and if they will contradict how I believe they've presented their characters in the past. I shouldn't want to set myself up for disappointment. Oh well.
Ah, I sometimes think that about over analysing to, but I also really enjoy doing it as well, so why not.
Hmm, for the Locke and the button thing, I think that was one of the greatest things of season two (the "button" that is). Locke has been a bit off since the beginning, from the first moment he ran into the smoke monster he has refered to the island as a living entity. It is true it would make more sense for him to have rationalized the button thing, but his character had been portrayed as an irrational "man of faith" from the very beginning. With the whole button thing may have been a little off on Jack's thinking the button was a fake since they are on a strange island with a strange underground hatch and strange smoke monsters and weird primitive people who abduct children, with parachutes of food dropping from the sky. I guess the end of the world for not pressing the button seems extreme, but it is foolish not to assume the thing might blow up and kill them all, or at least have some nuclear meltdown or something. But I felt Locke's insistence fit with the crazy "faith" thing he had going on. It is funny how different we preceive the characters. This has been a rough week and Lost is the only show I actually watch on TV, so I am looking forward in kicking back and watching the new episode on Thursday morning (I don't even waste time watching them when it airs on TV anymore, ABC.com posts the whole episode in pretty high quality with only four 30 second commercial break the day after it airs, so I just see it that way. Much more enjoyable without those disruptive, long 5 minute commercial breaks.)
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That said, the dialogue in that first "should we press the button" scene (in the second season premiere) was primarily dumb because nobody talks like that in real life by any stretch. After the amazing first season, to have that crap dropped in my lap was kind of shocking. Suddenly, in that instant, the realistic interplay between each character was replaced by a few lame and meaningless catch phrases. I understood that Locke has a big thing about following his faith (I wouldn't actually call it "crazy" myself), but at the same time he's clearly not a stupid man. The first instant that Jack started doubting "the button," any normal person would have at least tried reasoning with him on a cautionary basis. Assuming Locke was "crazy" and was desperate to press the button (at that point) then that would be all the more reason for him to desperately search his intelligent mind for rational excuses he could provide to Jack.
Oh, and Jack was even worse in that scene. To me, from a scientific standpoint, his supposed struggle with the button merely expressed a simplistic philosophy and an idiotic approach to science. We should never refuse to accept the possible truth of something simply because we lack specific knowledge concerning it. Science at its core is about a pursuit of knowledge, not a limiting of it. Scientists should seek to explore the unknown and not act blindly. A scientific person would not respond to that button situation by ignoring all of the accompanying warnings and let the countdown finish. Jack had already seen enough information to realize that something was at least potentially dangerous about the situation, and he knew, almost for a fact, that no new harm would be done by pressing the button (since it had already been consistently pressed for years previous to that point). If he had really been a skeptical person at that point, he would have chosen to press the button as a way to delay the countdown and then give himself time to investigate the issue further. It's all logical to me. Instead, I must assume he was acting out of blind aggression, exhaustion, and anger in that scene to explain his trouble accepting a rational approach.
(Edit: changed plain to plane.)
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http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
Now, I've compared that face to that picture of the actor that plays Kelvin (Andrew Divoff) and I'm almost totally convinced. They have the same face structure, same eye-wrinkles, same eyebrows, same asymmetrical qualities to the lips. That Kelvin character is going to be more important before the end if he's supposed to be Alfred Hanso. They might just be using the actor to play two different roles though, but we'll see. I'm guessing Alfred Hanso is in disguise.
Here's the best picture to compare with:
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0120524/Ss/0120524/fcs_lt_0359.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Divoff,%20Andrew
Here's another to see the general face structure and lips:
http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/41827/po.22985.jpg
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My theory: they're not dead. The plane wreckage was a cover-up by Dharma/The Others. We'll know what's up with "the box" and how Ben is manipulating everything after tonight.
....then again we could get an "insert" episode narrated by Boone about what the hell Rose and Bernard have been doing all season. If they get buried alive too I'll shoot someone.
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