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Just watch Season 1. We'll tell you what else happens.

Jon Bon Jovi does not appear at the end.

That's what happens.

He is one of three people who does not.  ;)

xhonzi said:

I came up with what I think is the perfect analogy for the six seasons of Lost. 

It's the plot of one episode that's in just about every family/teen based sitcom ever...  You remember the one.  That one episode where wants the popular kid to come to his birthday party, so he lies and says that will be at his birthday party... and the popular kid believes him and is excited to come to the party, and then the whole school hears about the .  The day of the birthday party comes up and starts to freak out, because everyone will know he's a liar.  Instead, he gets his older brother's garage band to make an appearance and maybe people will be pretty happy with that...  And then the birthday party happens and is nowhere to be seen.  Everyone gets upset and goes from thinking that is the coolest person at school to thinking that they are the most full of crap person at school.

That is what the show Lost now is to me.

Wow, Xhonzi must have been really pissed when he wrote this. It reads like one of my posts. It is the most incoherent post of his I have ever read. I mean, whole words are missing! Trying to figure out what it is suppose to mean requires a lot of reading between the lines and guesswork... Hey, come to think of it, maybe it was intentional and he wanted his post to reflect the plot of Lost. In that case, I applaud you my friend! Nice analogy!

doubleofive said:

Just watch Season 1. We'll tell you what else happens.

No! Season 2 was great (for the most part). Three was a real stinker (though the finale was pretty sweet)... four had its moments and was a step back in the right direction from three... five was a lot of fun (though not flawless)... and then six came along... Damn you six! Not only was six pretty boring and uninteresting... but it took everything away from the direction the show always felt it was kind of going, and ended with another god-did-it! (a wizard did it!) Battlestar Galacticaesque ending.

Why bother making a show filled with so many mysteries, if you are just going to eventually panic and play the magical diety card as a catch all?

It was still a fun ride though. Seasons 2 and 5 were some of the most I have enjoyed a TV show in recent years.

An ending with the whole cyclical time thing going on, like it almost seemed was the case at one point, would hve been cool, even if plenty of people would have been messing their pants while screaming that they had totally predicted that one. The whole Widmore changing the rules thing, and Ben's confidence that his daughter wasn't going to die and his extreme shock when she did really fit perfectly with the idea that they had both been through more or less these same events multiple times before. Also would have explained how both men always seemed to know exactly what was going on. In the end, the "You changed the rules" bit never came to mean anything.

If some years down the road they decided to make a film based off the series which followed the mythology through in a well thought out manner, that would be pretty awesome. This show was full of really great ideas and concepts, it just bit off more than it could chew, and was severely harmed by its own popularity (I swear, the instant feedback of the internet is going to be the death of all good media), and a need to keep people guessing (apparently, about nothing).

It would be interesting to hear what J. J. Abrams original ideas for the show were. He hasn't been in creative control of it since the first season, despite his name still being attached as creator. There was also a point where the producers had said that everything that was happening would have a rational scientific explaination behind it. Would have been nice to have seen it played out that way.

I fixed my post at the end of the previous page.&nbsp; I was apparently too clever with my <insert name here> jokes and they were deleted from the text. Making it incomprehensible. Which is too bad, because it was, and is again, totally awesome.

RE: Sojurn...

I keep hearing from the finale-lovers that we finale-haters "must not have understood it." I think I understood it fine. I came to the party because I heard <cool band> would be there. Turns out it was a lie and <cool band> wasn't there, not because <Cuse & Lindeloff> didn't want <cool band> there, but because they couldn't deliver. After years of promising, they could not deliver.

I also reject this idea that finale-lovers keep telling me: "It was never about the mysteries, it was just about the characters."

Bull-<crap>

Sojourn said:

xhonzi said:

I keep hearing from the finale-lovers that we finale-haters "must not have understood it." I think I understood it fine.  

I also reject this idea that finale-lovers keep telling me: "It was never about the mysteries, it was just about the characters."

Just to clarify, I didn't say either of those things. :-)

Maybe you didn't, but you pretty much say them here below, or am I misinterpreting again?

 1) I'm simply pointing out that there are plenty of layers and concepts I didn't think about at first, that have dawned on me since the finale, that have made me appreciate it a lot more than I did right after the fact.

 This sentiment, and there have others who espouse much more violently, is basically saying: "If you care to think about it more, or understand or read what others have thought about it, then it really does make sense and there's nothing (not as much) to be upset about."  Isn't that the same as saying "If you don't like it, it's because you don't get it.  When/if you get it, then you'll like it.  You'll be like me."?

2) I don't think this is a fair point to make, either, though ignoring the importance of the character story and focusing only on plot and mythology isn't fair, either (I'm not saying you're doing this, I'm issuing this as a broader statement). 

You're right, it should have been a balance between the two.  Just like when Prequel fans say to the Prequel haters "Star Wars is just for kids, you're grading it too harshly."  They're ignoring that Star Wars is so much more than "just for kids" and they're denying that it can be better than that.  Star Wars should be enjoyable by both kids and adults alike, and Lost should be able to be about the Mysteries and the Characters alike, just like it was in most of its seasons.

 

Another interesting recap, with another nicely-articulated point:

By bookending the series around a man opening up his eyes to the unknown and closing them as a man who learned what it meant to truly live, "Lost" encapsulated its' primary thematic concern: what it means to live and learn through other people. They lived together, and none of them died alone. Not in the end. Perfect.

I thought Jack did die alone... didn't Eko die alone?  Sayid?  Daniel?  Or are you saying that in death (afterlife) they weren't alone?

I wouldn't disagree with this point of view, and it does speak to the character story, not just the mythological one. It makes me think of something Damon and Carlton said a while back, which was that over time, the (fictional) mythology they've created and shared will fade away, and the character tale is what will remain.

I agree with Boost's comment here.  It would be another thing if the show itself hadn't focused on the mysteries and literally put them on the poster.  I certainly wasn't watching the show for the characters.  I liked them fine, some more than others...  But I felt like they felt when they got off of the island.  I didn't actually want to see them get rescued, I didn't want to see what their life would be like after the island, or without the island, except for how it pertained to the unraveling of the mystery of the island.

I don't think they meant that the mythology wasn't important, but that they were speaking to what makes humanly-resonant storytelling -- characters we care about, changing over time. It made sense, though it felt weird at first, to have the finale so character-centric rather than mythology-expounding, though I still have plenty of mythology questions I'd like to have answered in some way. Maybe when Damon and Carlton break their radio silence, we can have an awesome Q&A about them. 

Even if they give a Q & A, they've said over and over again that nothing matters but the show.  On their Podcast, they occasionally offer promises that they prop-up by saying that they might not actually do them because the Podcast is the Podcast and the Show is the Show.  Do you remember the late 80s DHARMA video made by Marvin Candle and Miles?  Do you remember how they ended up not using that storyline in the show, and then they said the clip didn't matter because it wasn't on the show???  Yeah, that's how much anything else will matter.

Take care, 
Sojourn

You too.  I'm probably coming across as more personal than I mean this to be.  Hopefully you can forgive me as I've enjoyed our interaction, both the current one and the ones in the past. 

xhonzi said:

Take care, 
Sojourn

You too.  I'm probably coming across as more personal than I mean this to be.  Hopefully you can forgive me as I've enjoyed our interaction, both the current one and the ones in the past. 

Here's another comparison for you Office Watchers:

It's like Scott's Tots.

Laptop batteries indeed.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/lost-epilogue-review/

This is a short summary of the 12 minute mini-episode (chock full of answers! (and nuts)) released with the DVD/BDs.  Seems pretty lackluster to me... I know my Dad will have this, so I'll ask him to bring it with when my parents come for a visit in a couple weeks.

The epilogue already leaked before the DVD release was out, from what I hear. I just haven't had any interest in trying to acquire it. The more I thing about the final season, the more in ruins the series as a whole for me.

C3PX said:

The more I think about the final season, the more it ruins the series as a whole for me.

Dude, "n" and "t" are right next to each other on the keyboard, give me a break, okay? ;)

After reading that review, I think a series of Dharma orientation videos would have been a better vehicle for explaining these unanswered questions. Sounds like they just crammed all those answers into one single video, which would be very uncharacteristic of Dharma, since their videos always seemed to try to give their people as little info as possible.

Doesn't sound like they really explained the Walt thing either, as much as they said, "Oh right, yeah, Ben did say he was special, didn't he? And he still is special! See, look at Ben telling him he is still special! We didn't forget, we planned on having Ben call him special in a 12 minute epilogue exclusive to the DVD box set all along! And you THINK we were making this all up as we went along, bah!"

Perhaps an orientation video explaining their research into ESP, which only a small percentage of the world population posses the ability for, and that it is something that has to be worked with while the brain is still being developed, would have been a better way to explain the whole Walt thing, and the whole child snatching thing at once. How it is I am able to come up with a short and concise explanation in less than a minute of thinking, but the writers of the show were so baffled by their own mystery that they just decided to ignore it and hope it would go away?

TV's Frink said:

Instead of hijacking the "Last TV Series Seen" thread, imma gonna hijack this thread instead with my thoughts about Lost as I watch it.

TV's Frink said:

Watched Part I of the Lost pilot last night.  Absolutely stunning!  I read somewhere that the pilot cost something like $10 million to make, and I believe it.  All the money is on the screen.  I felt like I was watching a movie rather than a TV pilot.

Watched Part 2 last night.  Kate is the criminal?  Sayid (sp?) fought for Iraq in the Gulf War?  There's been someone on the island for 16 years?  The sister of the brother (can't remember her name or his) speaks French, therefore has a use other than lying on the beach in a bikini?

The dude from one of the best Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes ever faints at the sight of blood?

Stay tuned...

Yes, yes, yes, who?

xhonzi said:

Yes, yes, yes, who?