The label conspiracy theorist is problematic as it's obvious that some conspiracy theories are going to be accurate down to pure probability mathematics.
I'm with Alan Moore there are probably loads of active conspiracies of the type popularised on the internet but they all trip each other up.
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BmB said:
The annoying thing is, I agree with you on some of this, the government lies and hides stuff from us all the time. I think mistrusting them is a good thing, but you take it all to the cliche point of ridiculousness that makes it so nobody can take it seriously. Thanks to wacked out crazy hypothesizes, it is hard to get people to take things we probably should be on our toes about seriously.
Just like the "Obama's gonna burst into our homes and take away all our guns!!1" people make it really hard to pose a reasonable constitutional argument about the potential dangers of government gun control without being thrown into that same stupid dumbass useless camp. In this way, conspiracy theorists are somewhat like Orwell's sheep, drawing a distraction from real dangers and issues by braying incessantly and mindlessly.
I don't think the claims you make are ridiculous because they are out of the normal line of belief, or because I think the government would never try these things, but because the conspiracies you are citing are so over the top, unbelievable, and impossible, they takes heavy amounts of suspension of disbelief. 9/11, the moon landing, we are talking about things that would be nearly impossible to pull off. And on top of that, all the evidence for these things apply pathetically sad misunderstandings of various sciences.
If either of those two things are conspiracies, and for the sake of argument, I will concede that there is a possibility they are, then conspiracy theorists just got extremely lucky in their guessing, because the evidence they bring forth (fire can't melt steel! Look at the shadows!) is painfully ignorant and demonstrably wrong, and the government is much more capable and able than they have ever openly showed themselves to be.
I'm very open minded and willing to consider some pretty wacky crap. I'm totally willing to go against the flow and believe something the vast majority of people refuse to believe. But if you come to me with a piss poor understanding of how the physical world works as your evidence for this wacky crap, then I am going to have to write it off as nothing more than wacky crap.
Actually that's not entirely true, they do employ people to troll forums that are too far out of line.
Evidence of this? Or is it just a "OMG, a troll heckling us. Must be the Feds again." sort of thing?
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I agree with everything Bingo said in the post directly above mine. Well said.
Warbler said:
I am out of this thread.
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CP3S said:
BmB said:
The annoying thing is, I agree with you on some of this, the government lies and hides stuff from us all the time. I think mistrusting them is a good thing, but you take it all to the cliche point of ridiculousness that makes it so nobody can take it seriously. Thanks to wacked out crazy hypothesizes, it is hard to get people to take things we probably should be on our toes about seriously.
Just like the "Obama's gonna burst into our homes and take away all our guns!!1" people make it really hard to pose a reasonable constitutional argument about the potential dangers of government gun control without being thrown into that same stupid dumbass useless camp. In this way, conspiracy theorists are somewhat like Orwell's sheep, drawing a distraction from real dangers and issues by braying incessantly and mindlessly.
I don't think the claims you make are ridiculous because they are out of the normal line of belief, or because I think the government would never try these things, but because the conspiracies you are citing are so over the top, unbelievable, and impossible, they takes heavy amounts of suspension of disbelief. 9/11, the moon landing, we are talking about things that would be nearly impossible to pull off. And on top of that, all the evidence for these things apply pathetically sad misunderstandings of various sciences.
If either of those two things are conspiracies, and for the sake of argument, I will concede that there is a possibility they are, then conspiracy theorists just got extremely lucky in their guessing, because the evidence they bring forth (fire can't melt steel! Look at the shadows!) is painfully ignorant and demonstrably wrong, and the government is much more capable and able than they have ever openly showed themselves to be.
I'm very open minded and willing to consider some pretty wacky crap. I'm totally willing to go against the flow and believe something the vast majority of people refuse to believe. But if you come to me with a piss poor understanding of how the physical world works as your evidence for this wacky crap, then I am going to have to write it off as nothing more than wacky crap.
Actually that's not entirely true, they do employ people to troll forums that are too far out of line.Evidence of this? Or is it just a "OMG, a troll heckling us. Must be the Feds again." sort of thing?
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I agree with everything Bingo said in the post directly above mine. Well said.
Bravo! There are most certainly conspiracies perpetrated by our government. The kind of mundane conspiracies that actually hurt and endanger people and their freedoms; unlike the moon landing, which has little to no direct impact on anyone at all. Like you and others have said, it's the focus on the exciting and grandiose conspiracies that distracts and entices us away from the focus on the boring conspiracies that really matter.
Like aliens!
Or Britney Spears!
Or pickle spears! That shit ain't right.
CP3S said:
BmB said:
The annoying thing is, I agree with you on some of this, the government lies and hides stuff from us all the time...
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...But if you come to me with a piss poor understanding of how the physical world works as your evidence for this wacky crap, then I am going to have to write it off as nothing more than wacky crap.
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This seemed relevant.
He posted it again...it's a CONSPIRACY *whispers, whispers,gasp,gasp, whispers*
Hey guys, I randomly stumbled upon this video that gives an interesting, not so commonly looked at angle on why the moon landing couldn't have been hoaxed! What timing and luck!
Oooh, found another great one too!
CP3S said:
Oooh, found another great one too!