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Looking back at the time I would say either side would have faked the moon landing if they could.

It would have saved them money and prevented risk to expensively trained test pilots.

We know that the Soviet programme had terrible accidents which were largely covered up and plans were made to deal with US failure which were also covered up.

And as the guy in the film says the US government is economic with the truth frequently (they wouldn't be doing their job correctly if the didn't bend the truth America's way).

The evidence seems to point rather conclusively towards men landing on the moon but that doesn't mean there isn't more to the story than what we know or that all that evidence is 100% of the truth.

It just means from the evidence we have it seems more probable that they did and seems highly improbable that the landings were 100% faked.

As there is no evidence for or against the existence of any supernatural beings any position on the subject is a belief or at the very least an unsubstantiated opinion.

Either way it would be rude to call a believer in God/Gods/Nogods nuts, threaten them with violence or to tell them to fuck off and die, even in jest.

A true lack of belief/unbelief in God is Apatheism.

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Bingowings said:

The evidence seems to point rather conclusively towards men landing on the moon but that doesn't mean there isn't more to the story than what we know or that all that evidence is 100% of the truth.

It just means from the evidence we have it seems more probable that they did and seems highly improbable that the landings were 100% faked.

I feel like giving the faked landing theories even 1% credit is far too much. There is no reason to believe we didn't land on the moon. All the "evidence" against it are crackpot misunderstandings of physics.

An example is the movement of moon dust. Many people have cited the odd way in which moon dust is shot into the air by the rovers wheels and the rapid manner in which it falls to the ground is way too fast for a low gravity environment. This is one of the first things moon conspiracy theorist will throw at you, and exhibits a misunderstanding a physics. The moon has no atmosphere, no air, so there is nothing else to impede or slow the fall of the dirt other than the lower gravity. The dirt in recordings of the rovers is falling slower than it would on earth, and no faster than other objects are seen to fall on the moon, but it is falling in a perfect uniform pattern and making perfect arcs from the wheel to the ground, which is exactly what we'd expect to find with a lack of atmosphere.

Another big thing credited as major evidence of a hoax is the flag blowing in the wind. The flags' poles had just a single wire jutting out along the top making the flag stand straight out, the bottom (which is the part we see swaying in videos) is unsupported. Again, no atmosphere on the moon means no wind, but it also means lack of atmospheric friction. Do we suppose if we had something like a car antenna on the moon, and we twanged it, it would simple go straight back to its normal position instead of violently flying back and forth like it would on earth? No, lack of atmospheric friction means it would go on flipping back and forth longer.

This is clearly what we are seeing with the flag. The astronauts pound it into the ground, and the vibrations continue to sway the unsupported bottom of the flag for a while. Couple this with lower gravitational pull encouraging the flag to stop swaying. Again, this is exactly what we should expect to see in a law gravity no atmosphere environment. It is evidence for that footage actually being taken on the moon, not evidence against it!

The angles of the shadows is another one I really like. Once in college I had the pleasure of sitting next to a moon landing conspiracy believer during lunch in the school cafeteria. His favorite piece of evidence was the way the shadows go in different directions in the moon footage videos, he explained that would be impossible with the sun being the only light source. All shadows would be pointing the same direction, but since it was a studio with many different light sources, the shadows crossed and went all over the place. It was sometime shortly after noon, on a very bright and sunny day, and when we stepped out of the cafeteria building and onto campus I was delighted to be able to point how the shadows around us crossed and went all over the place, even though the sun was the one light source casting the shadows.

 

You can pick out every major piece of evidence for a moon landing hoax, apply a bit of reality to it, and find it is nothing out of what we should be expected. 

Now we've resorted to The Shining for proof of a moon landing hoax? That is very silly, if Kubrick really did it, why would he try to rat himself out? Okay, so maybe he wanted us to know the truth, but was sworn to secrecy by the government; don't you think someone involved in the conspiracy would have seen the movie, noticed all the Apollo 11 stuff, and caught on? It is much more reasonable to assume Kubrick was simply making some amusing references.

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Bingowings said:

As there is no evidence for or against the existence of any supernatural beings any position on the subject is a belief or at the very least an unsubstantiated opinion.

By that logic, there is no evidence for or against tiny little men who come into my kitchen at night and nibble at the bread I left out on the counter. But still, I have no reason to even consider the possibility of them. Especially when what are clearly mouse droppings found on the floor lead us to a much more plausible and reasonable explanation for the nibbled bread.

I feel like lack of evidence for or against kind of cancel each other out. If there is no evidence for or against, why is it even a consideration or a question? I could come up with an off the cuff ridiculous hypothesis (like two races of aliens fighting each other into extinction in just the next system over), and claim it to be true, so long as it is unable to be disproven. I might even go out and spread the word about these poor aliens who are misguidedly bringing each other to the verge of extinction and try to convince the world we need to start putting time and money into ways to send them a warning and tell them we have plenty of room for them on our planet (after all, it is a resource war. These poor things share a tiny planet that is only a few hundred square yards round. Fortunately, these aliens are only half an inch tall at their absolute tallest, but still, the planet has been overwhelmed by too many of them. If only we could go rescue some of them and bring them to earth, all the violence could stop!).

Nobody could prove me wrong (because my planet is too small to be seen through a telescope, and in fact, this planet doesn't reflect light somehow, so a telescope could never see it anyway), but still, nobody would believe me. There is simply no reason to. "No evidence for" + "no evidence against" = "no evidence for"

 

 

A true lack of belief/unbelief in God is Apatheism.

That is not accurate. You are kind of mixing concepts of ideologies with concepts of philosophies and forcing one to be the other.

Atheism plain and simple describes the lack of belief in a god. There are many types of atheists who are atheists of varying degrees, but in the end, someone who ascribes to atheism denies the existence of at least one or more gods.

Apatheism on the other hand, is a lack of interest. An apatheist might be an atheist, but beyond that, they really couldn't care less and don't really think the existence of a god really even matters or is of any sort of consequence. I'd call an apatheist more of an agnostic who couldn't care less. To an apatheist, whether god exists or not couldn't possibly be of any importance.

There are plenty of total atheist (believing adamantly that no gods exist) who find the lack of existence of deities to be of extreme importance, which would place them far from being apatheists.

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You can not believe whatever you like.

I believe that Atheists have made a leap of faith and ignored the lack of evidence for the non-existence of God or Gods and put their trust in believing in Him/Her/They not existing (which is as close to not believing in Him/Her/They as to make no odds).

And it's okay because No God loves you wether you believe or not.

To know something fully one has to be omniscient.

One can only know for sure if every aspect of the lunar landing story is as published if you know for sure every aspect of the lunar landing story is as published.

I think therefore I think I think.

Any thing else is to some degree a personal opinion or belief either based on the facts as published or personally researched or regardless of any or how much of the facts you wish to ignore.

I encourage people not to take things at face value but to come to their own conclusions. 

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BmB said:

 

timdiggerm said:

Any thoughts on the link I posted?

He makes fair points, but at the same time, commercial imaging tech is always behind by about 5-10 years from the top secret stuff. Pretty sure they had large format grainless film for their spyplanes well in advance of any such thing as grainless even being proposed on the civilian market.

Even so, without speculation about what they could and could not have had, slowmotion is not the only way to fake low gravity.

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No. Points not needed. Logic does not work against ass-craziness.

That settles that then doesn't it?

SilverWook said:

My father worked at NASA and JPL in the glory days. It's the one thing in the complicated relationship I had with him I was always proud of. (And one of the few things in a long career that wasn't classified, though I could barely get him to talk about those days.)

When I stood looking up at what's left of the Apollo 1 launch platform last summer, it really hit me that it would have been hard for him to talk about the astronauts that died. He had met them many times in the course of his job. My mom told me quite a bit about that awful day in 1967.

So, when I feel the urge to throttle these moon hoax guys, it's because they piss on the graves of brave men, and insult everyone who ever worked to put Americans on the moon and bring them home safe.

So you are emotionally invested and unable to think clearly about the matter despite having no real knowledge of what your father did because it was all top secret.

So lets play pretend for a moment and say it really was staged, who is pissing on whose grave now?

I won't pretend to know anything about this for sure, but you seem to jump to conclusions far too easily. And the only thing left to do is to find out more.
It certainly would not be out of character for the US government to lie and cheat. This is what they always do. I don't think there are many examples of something they did not in fact lie and cheat about. It is normal, for it not to be lied about in some manner, now that would be remarkable.

 

If I was unable to think clearly and jumped to conclusions easily, I don't think I would have been offered a moderator position on this site. ;)

I actually know quite a lot about my father's non classified work.

In just the past few years, we've had satellite imagery showing all the landing sites on the moon. This of course does not satisfy the hoax believers. Even if a probe with HD camera goes back, hovers right over the descent stages and rovers, and got closeups of footprints, the usual suspects will mutter "fake".

In any case, it's a testament to Stanley Kubrick that The Shining is still being deconstructed and over analyzed 33 years later. To my Mom and me, it was one of our favorite scary as hell movies. "Talking to Tony" was a running gag between us for years. :)

Where were you in '77?

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Bingowings said:

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"Cold Logic", "Cold Reality". Hah. Try using actual logic and observation instead of blanket statements and we might get talking. What you probably really meant to say was "I don't believe it".

Personally I don't know. Kubrick obviously was trying to say something. There's a lot of good points in favour and a lot of good points against. What seems to be likely is some sort of hybrid answer, i.e. they faked the first one or two to "win" the space race and then went on to actually go.

At any rate, if anybody could fake it, t'was Kubrick.

if you actually believe any of the moon landings were fake, you're nuts.  Did you watch the video that timdiggerm posted?   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU

 

Warb, as someone who constantly reminds us of his Christianity you really should be careful about calling people with beliefs different than you own nuts.

why am I not surprised you'd compare my religious beliefs to that of the conspiracy theorists?   

btw,  how come you decided to go after me, but ignored Boost basically calling the theory that moon landing was faked, "ass-craziness"?

If everyone wants to call me nuts for believing in God,  whatever.  I will still believe.   

believing in my faith isn't about weighting evidence and coming to a scientific conclusion.   As was said in the original version of "Miracle On 34th Street",  "Faith is believing even when common sense tells you not to". 

Here is what I feel the difference is between believing in my faith and believing in a conspiracy theory that moon landing was fake:

I will accept that all the scientific evidence goes against my beliefs and go on believing in my faith.    A conspiracy theorist would never admit that the scientific evidence goes against his believes.   No matter what,  he'd believe that the scientific evidence is in his favor.

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Either way it would be rude to call a believer in God/Gods/Nogods nuts, threaten them with violence or to tell them to fuck off and die, even in jest.

Are you saying that I threatened you with violence? when?   please post a quote of me doing so.  

As for telling you to f___ off and die.   Yeah I did do that, I was very angry with you at the time.   Whether is was wrong or right of me to say that, I do still believe I had a right to be angry with you at the time.

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CP3S said:

I think Bingo is right, many of us are quick to ridicule one brand of silly, and even quicker to reverently defend our own brand of extreme silliness. Ironically, the whole Christian thing is far more silly and 100% less plausible than the faked moon landing.

 

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darth_ender said:

Incidentally, I've been reading through the old religion thread that twister found.  I find it fascinating that C3PX was such an ardent defender of Christianity (and as eloquent as always, I might add), while sean_wookie dismissed religion so out of hand.  Both, it seems, have had some changes of thought in the past 5 years.  Fascinating.

I am still an ardent defender of Christianity.

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SilverWook said:

If I was unable to think clearly and jumped to conclusions easily, I don't think I would have been offered a moderator position on this site. ;)

Was that an appeal to authority?

Authority over a complaining website for nerds no less, not sure how that is at all relevant.

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BmB, you are an idiot.   I am going to put you on ignore.  I suggest everyone else do so as well. 

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Blocking someone for saying something you don't agree with isn't helping the case that you are rational enough to lay judgement on whether the moon landings were faked or not.

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BmB said:

 

SilverWook said:

If I was unable to think clearly and jumped to conclusions easily, I don't think I would have been offered a moderator position on this site. ;)

Was that an appeal to authority?

Authority over a complaining website for nerds no less, not sure how that is at all relevant.

 

I'm simply refuting your claim about me. And you skipped over everything else I had to say.

If that's how you really feel about this website and it's members, I wonder why you're hanging around here in the first place.

Can we go back to chuckling over misinterpretations of Kubrick now?

Where were you in '77?

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Warbler said:

CP3S said:

darth_ender said:

Incidentally, I've been reading through the old religion thread that twister found.  I find it fascinating that C3PX was such an ardent defender of Christianity (and as eloquent as always, I might add), while sean_wookie dismissed religion so out of hand.  Both, it seems, have had some changes of thought in the past 5 years.  Fascinating.

I am still an ardent defender of Christianity.

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I defend it when it needs it. ;)

 

 

 

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BmB said:

Blocking someone for saying something you don't agree with isn't helping the case that you are rational enough to lay judgement on whether the moon landings were faked or not.

^This.

 

I'm enjoying the moon landing hoax discussion. Real discussion and less smart comments and people taking offense would go a long ways though. I mean, someone doesn't believe we ever landing on the moon, or that we didn't land on the moon every time we said we did. Is that really a big thing? Who cares what they believe.

 

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Warb the fuck off and die comment I was referring to wasn't directed at me it was directed at lunar conspiracy theorists who have as much right to not being insulted for their beliefs (unsubstantiated by the facts as they are) as you do.

The violence in jest comment was directed at Silverwook who joked about throttling members of the same group.

Believing something regardless of evidence is fine by me.

 

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CP3S said:

BmB said:

Blocking someone for saying something you don't agree with isn't helping the case that you are rational enough to lay judgement on whether the moon landings were faked or not.

^This.

CP3S, I am not blocking him because I disagree with him.  I am blocking him because he is an assclown, and because of the way he's treated SilverWook and the things he said about all the members of this sight. 

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I'm enjoying the moon landing hoax discussion. Real discussion and less smart comments and people taking offense would go a long ways though.

how can we possibly have a real discussion about a insane idea that the moon landing was fake?   There is no point to it.   And I refuse to give BmB the pleasure of that kind of discussion.   As Boost said, it is ass craziness.   No matter what you say, you can't change the minds of idiots like BmB.    There is no way to have a rational conversation about the moon landing with someone crazy enough to believe it was faked.

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I mean, someone doesn't believe we ever landing on the moon, or that we didn't land on the moon every time we said we did. Is that really a big thing? Who cares what they believe.

its insulting to the US, all the people that worked on and risked their lives to get to the moon, and especially offensive to families of the three men that died in the fire.

I am sick and tired of all these asinine conspiracy theorists assclowns.  

 

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Bingowings said:

 

Warb the fuck off and die comment I was referring to wasn't directed at me it was directed at lunar conspiracy theorists who have as much right to not being insulted for their beliefs (unsubstantiated by the facts as they are) as you do.

could you tell where and when someone told the conspiracy theorists to f___ and die?

 

Edit: never mind.   It was me.   I didn't earlier in this thread.   I had forgotten.  Oh well.   I can't say it shall weigh upon my conscience too heavily.     

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Warbler said:

CP3S said:

I'm enjoying the moon landing hoax discussion. Real discussion and less smart comments and people taking offense would go a long ways though.

how can we possibly have a real discussion about a insane idea that the moon landing was fake?   There is no point to it.   And I refuse to give BmB the pleasure of that kind of discussion.   As Boost said, it is ass craziness.   No matter what you say, you can't change the minds of idiots like BmB.    There is no way to have a rational conversation about the moon landing with someone crazy enough to believe it was faked.

What if it really was faked? Or what if something else is faked, and we never question or consider? Your stance doesn't seem to be it really happened because of "A", "B", and "C" reasons; but rather that "it really happened BECAUSE IT IS INSANE TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE!!!" "Insane idea", "ass craziness", "idiots like BmB" "FOAD", etc.

I don't think it hurts to question the "of course!"s in our lives.

Imagine if our government had decided that the space race was a lost cause, wasted money and impossible. Would it really be below them to fake it for the win? Obviously, I don't think this is what happened. But I do feel like nobody has bothered to really look over the reasoning and say way it is such an "insane idea" and "ass craziness", rather they just write it off as insanity and refuse to talk about it. Feels like there is a good deal of emotions involved, rather than rational. As the little kid who once dreamed of being an astronaut and tended to look at those guys as the epitome of awesomeness, the idea of it being faked did use to strike quite a nerve on me, so I get it. But I also think it is kind of cool to learn about there arguments and to be able to supply technical reasons for why they are so very ignorant and wrong.

 

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I mean, someone doesn't believe we ever landing on the moon, or that we didn't land on the moon every time we said we did. Is that really a big thing? Who cares what they believe.

its insulting to the US, all the people that worked on and risked their lives to get to the moon, and especially offensive to families of the three men that died in the fire.

I am sick and tired of all these asinine conspiracy theorists assclowns.  

I don't think getting pissed at them defends the honor of our country. Knocking them on their ass by discrediting their stupid reasoning, I feel does.

Keep in mind, a lot of people who think the moon landing was faked aren't from nor have ever been to America. They have an outside in view on the whole thing. Seems it was a topic that came up a lot when I lived overseas, since that damn Fox documentary has been circulating foreign airwaves for so many years. Since I was an American, and that documentary played on TV from time to time, I guess a lot of people found it an appropriate dinner topic. That stupid documentary is probably the most detailed piece of media they have seen on the event. I think they can be forgiven for being pulled in by it.

Likewise, you have a lot of younger kids these days who sadly don't see the space programs as exciting as the kids of my generation and prior and don't see it as something sacred, but spend a lot of time on the interwebs absorbing information (some most of which is BS, like the Apollo conspiracy). I think these poor youngins' can be forgiven for their ignorance and are better off being educated and set straight than written off as assclowns. When the younger me believed something silly and bothered to mention it to someone, I was usually set straight, which made me rethink and change my view. But I imagine if someone got defensive, called me names, and walked away, I'd probably find myself grinning and realizing I may be onto something and that these people seem to be incapable of proving my silly belief wrong. I might just cling to it tighter, feeling that since no one will refute it, it might just be irrefutable.

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The moon hoax theories been around since the 70's. (The movie Capricorn One was partially inspired by them.) I've read somewhere it paralleled the cynicism of the post Watergate era.

If I heard anything about it at all in the 80's, it was from the Flat Earth Society, which apparently is still around in some form.

That pesky FOX special was like pulling the stake out of Dracula's skeleton.

If people aren't willing to learn a little history from reputable sources, there isn't much that will change their minds. The space program was covered pretty well in my elementary and high school years, even if the textbooks weren't always up to date.

There is something disquieting about people questioning history in the face of obvious facts though. There are far darker events of history people either through ignorance or malice insist are fiction, and that scares me.

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

If that's how you really feel about this website and it's members, I wonder why you're hanging around here in the first place.


Don't get me wrong, I'm a nerd too and I like to complain. But being a moderator of an internet forum doesn't exactly prove anything about your judgement.

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

 

Warb the fuck off and die comment I was referring to wasn't directed at me it was directed at lunar conspiracy theorists who have as much right to not being insulted for their beliefs (unsubstantiated by the facts as they are) as you do.

could you tell where and when someone told the conspiracy theorists to f___ and die?

 

Edit: never mind.   It was me.   I didn't earlier in this thread.   I had forgotten.  Oh well.   I can't say it shall weigh upon my conscience too heavily.     

What would Jesus say...?

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Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

 

Warb the fuck off and die comment I was referring to wasn't directed at me it was directed at lunar conspiracy theorists who have as much right to not being insulted for their beliefs (unsubstantiated by the facts as they are) as you do.

could you tell where and when someone told the conspiracy theorists to f___ and die?

 

Edit: never mind.   It was me.   I didn't earlier in this thread.   I had forgotten.  Oh well.   I can't say it shall weigh upon my conscience too heavily.     

What would Jesus say...?

I am not Jesus. 

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CP3S said:

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

I'm enjoying the moon landing hoax discussion. Real discussion and less smart comments and people taking offense would go a long ways though.

how can we possibly have a real discussion about a insane idea that the moon landing was fake?   There is no point to it.   And I refuse to give BmB the pleasure of that kind of discussion.   As Boost said, it is ass craziness.   No matter what you say, you can't change the minds of idiots like BmB.    There is no way to have a rational conversation about the moon landing with someone crazy enough to believe it was faked.

What if it really was faked? Or what if something else is faked, and we never question or consider? Your stance doesn't seem to be it really happened because of "A", "B", and "C" reasons; but rather that "it really happened BECAUSE IT IS INSANE TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE!!!" "Insane idea", "ass craziness", "idiots like BmB" "FOAD", etc.

I don't think it hurts to question the "of course!"s in our lives.

Imagine if our government had decided that the space race was a lost cause, wasted money and impossible. Would it really be below them to fake it for the win? Obviously, I don't think this is what happened. But I do feel like nobody has bothered to really look over the reasoning and say way it is such an "insane idea" and "ass craziness", rather they just write it off as insanity and refuse to talk about it. Feels like there is a good deal of emotions involved, rather than rational. As the little kid who once dreamed of being an astronaut and tended to look at those guys as the epitome of awesomeness, the idea of it being faked did use to strike quite a nerve on me, so I get it. But I also think it is kind of cool to learn about there arguments and to be able to supply technical reasons for why they are so very ignorant and wrong.

 

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I mean, someone doesn't believe we ever landing on the moon, or that we didn't land on the moon every time we said we did. Is that really a big thing? Who cares what they believe.

its insulting to the US, all the people that worked on and risked their lives to get to the moon, and especially offensive to families of the three men that died in the fire.

I am sick and tired of all these asinine conspiracy theorists assclowns.  

I don't think getting pissed at them defends the honor of our country. Knocking them on their ass by discrediting their stupid reasoning, I feel does.

Keep in mind, a lot of people who think the moon landing was faked aren't from nor have ever been to America. They have an outside in view on the whole thing. Seems it was a topic that came up a lot when I lived overseas, since that damn Fox documentary has been circulating foreign airwaves for so many years. Since I was an American, and that documentary played on TV from time to time, I guess a lot of people found it an appropriate dinner topic. That stupid documentary is probably the most detailed piece of media they have seen on the event. I think they can be forgiven for being pulled in by it.

Likewise, you have a lot of younger kids these days who sadly don't see the space programs as exciting as the kids of my generation and prior and don't see it as something sacred, but spend a lot of time on the interwebs absorbing information (some most of which is BS, like the Apollo conspiracy). I think these poor youngins' can be forgiven for their ignorance and are better off being educated and set straight than written off as assclowns. When the younger me believed something silly and bothered to mention it to someone, I was usually set straight, which made me rethink and change my view. But I imagine if someone got defensive, called me names, and walked away, I'd probably find myself grinning and realizing I may be onto something and that these people seem to be incapable of proving my silly belief wrong. I might just cling to it tighter, feeling that since no one will refute it, it might just be irrefutable.

if you want to waste you time trying to reason with these idiots,  be my quest.   I will not.   Even if you found a way to take these conspiracy theorists  back in time and transport them to the moon at the time to see Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walk on the moon, they would still be convinced that the moon landing was faked.    Since their conclusions are not based on logical reasoning,  I will not waste mine time trying to logically reason with them.  And like I said, I find them offensive and I am sick and tired of them.  Do you know why I think they really believe the moon landing was fake,  it is because they are bigoted against the establishment.   They hate the establishment and so anything the establishment says must be a lie.   The establishment says   we landing on the moon,  it must a lie. The establishment says Elvis is dead, it must a lie.  The establishment says Bin Laden did 911, it must be a lie.    The only conspiracy theory I give and credence to is that someone may have been helping Oswald kill Kennedy.   When I saw the Zapruder film, I first thought "there is not way the headshot came from behind"  (since then I have been convinced that it is possible the head came from behind), and then there was all the stuff about the magic and pristine bullet.   So I can't blame someone for thinking that maybe someone else was involved.    But the other stuff is just ludicrous.   

Please CP3S, try to use logic and reason to convince BmB that the moon landing was not faked.   Lets see if you can do it.  I'll bet it will just be a waste of your time.   

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

 

Warb the fuck off and die comment I was referring to wasn't directed at me it was directed at lunar conspiracy theorists who have as much right to not being insulted for their beliefs (unsubstantiated by the facts as they are) as you do.

could you tell where and when someone told the conspiracy theorists to f___ and die?

 

Edit: never mind.   It was me.   I didn't earlier in this thread.   I had forgotten.  Oh well.   I can't say it shall weigh upon my conscience too heavily.     

What would Jesus say...?

I am not Jesus. 

He might have said that as Jesus wasn't his name but that's somewhat missing the point.

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Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

 

Warb the fuck off and die comment I was referring to wasn't directed at me it was directed at lunar conspiracy theorists who have as much right to not being insulted for their beliefs (unsubstantiated by the facts as they are) as you do.

could you tell where and when someone told the conspiracy theorists to f___ and die?

 

Edit: never mind.   It was me.   I didn't earlier in this thread.   I had forgotten.  Oh well.   I can't say it shall weigh upon my conscience too heavily.     

What would Jesus say...?

I am not Jesus. 

He might have said that as Jesus wasn't his name

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Bingowings said:

but that's somewhat missing the point.

ok, you want me to admit that I sinned when said F__d?  fine I sinned.   Happy now?   

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The name Jesus would have been unknown at the time.

Joshua Bar-Yosef is a closer English representation so it's possible he would have indeed said, "I am not Jesus".

I wasn't trying to draw out a confession, more to attempt to draw from you some reflection on what your response to others should be from a religious perspective.