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jones1899 said:

Oh, it was a PM. He just wanted to know about the format of your photo swap and if you posted it. 

Yeah, he has contacted me now, I've send him new links.

 

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jones1899, just a quick update to let you know that I'm STILL compiling my suggestions (only) for some possible changes to the 'beginning' and 'ending' of this movie, using the existing footage.

I've now seen another couple of possible tweaks during those portions that I REALLY like, and that may be of interest to others, too.

At the end of the day, it's still only 'KOTCS', but taken in conjunction with some of the great ideas on this thread for the bulk of this movie, I've definately got a re-arrangement of the 'beginning' and 'ending' that I'm happy with now.

doubleofive has kindly agreed to sort out even more of the screenshots I need to show all this properly, and I'll try and get everything up here, as soon as time allows over the coming days, when it's all in place.

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Imperial, I know Infodroid and I are really looking forward to hearing your suggestions, but he seems to be getting pretty far along in his edit. 

Please, could you post the basics of what you're planning. I'm sure if Info likes it enoug he'll put his edit on hold to incorporate the ideas. I know I would be willing to. 

List of propsed changes to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Edit-Suggestions/topic/9732/

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jones1899, unfortunately it's not sufficient to give you the bare basics of what I intended to show.  The basics are that I've got a different 'beginning' which involves various alternative shot arrangements, and a different 'ending' that also involves various alternative shot arrangements, and it' s just not possible to summarise it into a few sentances. 

I really need to lay this out with a lot of screenshots to clearly show what I have in mind.  I'm still in the middle of organising what I need for doubleofive to help me out, and had some coding problems at my end the last couple of days.  These have just been sorted out, but I'm still in a  busy period concerning life in general, unfortunately.

Believe me, I wish I'd looked at all this long before now, and would have liked to have offered this a while back, but all you need to know at the moment is that this will be the longest series of consecutive posts I've ever done on this forum.  (And I reckon I've done a few lengthy ones in the past....)

Thanks for the interest, and if anyone likes them, and wishes to incorporate any of them, then of course they are welcome.  I'm getting through it all, but it's going to take just a little longer yet to do it properly.

By the way it's my Birthday as of a little while ago, and the family have something planned after work that will delay me resuming this till the day after.  But I'll try to finish it all as soon as I can.  Must get some sleep now.

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come guys no one has posted anything up in a long time

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Which means that they are probably still working on it. 

Relax, new guy.

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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/IF-Indy4/indy4-05.jpg

 

Don't worry Dr. Inza, there's sure to be a lot more posts on this thread in the near future....

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To be honest, the discussion over at fanedit is pretty steady, though ID is taking a bit of a much deserved break right now. Also, I know a lot of folks are waiting to hear Imperial's ideas for the opening and climax. Not to put pressure on the guy...

Trust me though, things are moving quite well. In fact, I suggested adding (somehow) a newspaper with a headline referencing the Indy as a commie subplot. A picture of the General and Indy, maybe an apology to the University. Anything to tie up that loose end in a realistic and feasible way. Guys over there seem pretty excited at the idea and have added a lot of good suggestions. Thoughts?

List of propsed changes to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Edit-Suggestions/topic/9732/

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jones1899 said:

Trust me though, things are moving quite well. In fact, I suggested adding (somehow) a newspaper with a headline referencing the Indy as a commie subplot. A picture of the General and Indy, maybe an apology to the University. Anything to tie up that loose end in a realistic and feasible way. Guys over there seem pretty excited at the idea and have added a lot of good suggestions. Thoughts?

 

 Sounds alrigt if u can film something like a pile of news papers being thrown on the ground than yea it could work

 

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Dr.Inza said:

 

 Sounds alrigt if u can film something like a pile of news papers being thrown on the ground than yea it could work

 

Yeah, I agree. I think it would be kinda weird if the newspapers would just come out of nowhere, but if they were on a table or something similar, then I think that would be better.

 

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Or maybe the camera can dolly in past a man reading the paper with the headlines to what ever the ending scene is.

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I dunno if anyone has brought this up but would it be viable to do a newspaper shot in a similar fashion to the travel montage scenes?

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I think the shot of Dean Stanforth getting the bible out of the drawer at the end would lend itself perfectly for adding a newspaper to the table (it even has an empty spot for it)... although I haven't entirely figured out, how to get closer to the paper, as the camera dollys towards the table and then pans to the bible in his hands. Adding a newspaper to the table via a 3D-matchmove should be quite doable (as I did with the photographs), but making the camera go towards the paper instead of the bible will be tricky. Plus we'd lose the transition from this bible to the one held by the minister (though I can totally live without that).

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If the bible transition was lost, would it not seem jarring? Why was the Dean going into his office in such a rush in the first place? And if, in the next immediate scene, he is shown to be sitting in a Church, it may seem out of the blue, and slightly sudden, with no link.

Instead, is there no way to 'freeze-frame' the camera when it is over the desk and then add an artificial zoom, so that after the newspaper is shown the sequence can then be 'unfrozen' and we can see the subsequent bible transition. Or is that not technically feasible? Would freezing the scene over the desk look too unnatural, with no other movement going on? But I was thinking that, as it is an office filled with inanimate furniture, pausing over the desk may not seem too unnatural.

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I like JR's idea of a newspaper montage a la the travel montages. Or, another suggestion, do you remember classic movies, where the newspaper rotates while the camera closes in from afar until the paper stops rotating and you can read the headline in close? Another interesting montage was seen near the beginning of Sky Captain, as far as I remember. Some kind of a newspaper montage in these fashions could perhaps be inserted between the happy family on top of the mountain and the Dean Stanforth bible sequence.

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topdawg193 said:

But I was thinking that, as it is an office filled with inanimate furniture, pausing over the desk may not seem too unnatural.

The main problem here is that the Dean is always in the frame as well... pausing the camera move would mean pausing him as well, and that's obviously not going to work. I'll look into the shot more closely, maybe I'll find a way.

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jones1899 said:

Why do you think it would be jarring? We see him grab the bible, then we zoom on the newspaper, then we see the bible at the wedding. Am I missing something here?


Ah, okay, I get it now. I was thinking that we would only see the Dean enter the office, and walk across the office, but not actually take out the bible from the desk. It's been a long while since I've seen this fim now, and I've forgotten how that scene played out! I was thinking that, by having the newspaper, we would miss out on the bible entirely, making the Dean rushing across the office redundant (but this obviously isn't the case, then).

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ImperialFighter said:

jones1899, unfortunately it's not sufficient to give you the bare basics of what I intended to show.  The basics are that I've got a different 'beginning' which involves various alternative shot arrangements, and a different 'ending' that also involves various alternative shot arrangements, and it' s just not possible to summarise it into a few sentances. 

I really need to lay this out with a lot of screenshots to clearly show what I have in mind.  I'm still in the middle of organising what I need for doubleofive to help me out, and had some coding problems at my end the last couple of days.  These have just been sorted out, but I'm still in a  busy period concerning life in general, unfortunately.

Believe me, I wish I'd looked at all this long before now, and would have liked to have offered this a while back, but all you need to know at the moment is that this will be the longest series of consecutive posts I've ever done on this forum.  (And I reckon I've done a few lengthy ones in the past....)

Thanks for the interest, and if anyone likes them, and wishes to incorporate any of them, then of course they are welcome.  I'm getting through it all, but it's going to take just a little longer yet to do it properly.

By the way it's my Birthday as of a little while ago, and the family have something planned after work that will delay me resuming this till the day after.  But I'll try to finish it all as soon as I can.  Must get some sleep now.

I got the shot list from ImpFight, and he has well over TWO HUNDRED frames he wants me to grab.  I'm not sure when I'll be able to do this, maybe this week.

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No rush from me at this end doubleofive, as I know it's a lot to get exactly the frames I asked.  It'll be done when it's done, and thanks again.

In the meantime I've had a chance to work out a little something else that was niggling me near the end.  :)

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ImperialFighter said:

No rush from me at this end doubleofive, as I know it's a lot to get exactly the frames I asked.  It'll be done when it's done, and thanks again.

In the meantime I've had a chance to work out a little something else that was niggling me near the end.  :)

 

"In the meantime I've had a chance to work out a little something else that was niggling me near the end.  :)" 

Do tell...:)

List of propsed changes to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Edit-Suggestions/topic/9732/

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jones1899 said:

"In the meantime I've had a chance to work out a little something else that was niggling me near the end.  :)" 

Do tell...:)

Yes, please!