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Now that I couldn't have said better than myself. Well I already posted that the PT doesn't exist to me and I'm still wondering what Vader was like before his change, and the mystery that is Fett, guess we'll never know.


I personally think that a group of fans are going to make three movies all on their own that will be underground sensations which will be heralded as THE films that should have been made.

Or some fan is going to write his own fan-fics of the entire saga and do it right from the get-go. Most fan-fics like that are crappy, but there will be someone ambitious enough to re-imagine Star Wars like that.

If there are any fans out there who are thinking of making their own films of the prequels, I would humbly pledge my writing skills to your efforts.....I would LOVE to be involved in such an endeavor.


you know i cant wait from lots of fan to do this and start realizing that is alot harder then they thought to write everything in exactly the right way.


Dude....I could re-write the whole damn saga and make it rock ten times better than LucASS did. It's not hard at all.....everything is practically spelled out in OOT!!! And if you throw in some of the great stuff from the EU....oh man.....I could make LucASS look really bad!!!

It would require very, very, very little original ideas from me....that's for sure. It's all already there.
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do it then whats stopping you. and do it without using info from the EU. also get your stuff from the OT but Try to make the PTs at least stand on there own a little. if you do that i will say i am wrong.
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Jeez, Shmiraa. You make it sound like it's impossible. I guess if Lucas couldn't do a good job, then no one could?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Jeez, Shmiraa. You make it sound like it's impossible. I guess if Lucas couldn't do a good job, then no one could?


I agree MBJ......it is not impossible.

I've been seriously thinking on and off about doing 12 novellas that are about 100 pages in length where each novella would be an episode basically.

The story is big enough that there should be 6 parts to the "Prequel Era" and 6 parts to the "Original Trilogy Era". I've actually come up with most of it, but haven't really done anything with it cuz who would really care what some FAN has to write...

And there are some really GREAT EU stuff that would work perfectly with my version. Not really whole stories from the EU, just pieces from here and there. They Kyber Crystal for instance would play a huge half in prequel part, while I would throw in Thrawn in the OT half, but he would be much more ruthless and sinister. Also Wedge and Rogue Squadron would play a very significant role in the OT half. You have the Jedi as the central characters aiding the main characters (Anakin, Obi-Wan) while Luke would get the help of the various rebel people like the Rogues.

I swear I could lay LucASS to shame....but it's like I said....who would read it and who would really care. I didn't create Star Wars, so what's the point? The guy to do it who mattered farted it all up royally.
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Jeez, Shmiraa. You make it sound like it's impossible. I guess if Lucas couldn't do a good job, then no one could?


i am not saying its impossible, i am just saying that it is extremely hard, and that alot of fans dont realize just how hard it actually is to make a good storyline. i feel that alot of them under estimate the task.
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Jeez, Shmiraa. You make it sound like it's impossible. I guess if Lucas couldn't do a good job, then no one could?


i am not saying its impossible, i am just saying that it is extremely hard, and that alot of fans dont realize just how hard it actually is to make a good storyline. i feel that alot of them under estimate the task.



I'm sure most would have a problem with it, considering some of the ideas I hear, I would prefer that most fans not make an attempt.

But if there's someone out there who is a writer and wants to take a crack at it since they probably have some writing skills anyway, I would welcome an honest, balls to the wall effort.
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I say go for it. Just don't make Thrawn ruthless and sinister without reason. No point using a character and not having him act like himself. You might as well make a new one.


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see cable-x thats my point, its very rare i hear good ideas from people, and rarer still that i hear more then one good idea from one person

now to have enough good ideas to make up all 3 movies is just going to be very very rare.
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see cable-x thats my point, its very rare i hear good ideas from people, and rarer still that i hear more then one good idea from one person

now to have enough good ideas to make up all 3 movies is just going to be very very rare.


I understand what you mean completely Shim......some of the fanfic ideas I hear are more cringe-worthy than anything LucASS could write.
But I'm sure there's someone out there who can come up with some great stuff.

BTW, my version of Star Wars definitely does a better take on Boba Fett. Boba and Jango were brothers along with a whole host of Mandalorian Warriors who play a very integral part in the Clone Wars (which by the way involves the Separatists having a droid army AND a clone army against the Republic whose armies are made up of the warriors of its various worlds like Wookiees, Itorians, Mon Calamari, etc, etc). Through the course of the war, all of the Mandalorians are killed, but take more than a few Jedi with them. Jango is killed leaving Boba as the last Mandalorian, who aids Darth Vader in hunting the last of the Jedi. Once the Jedi are all destroyed, there's really nothing Boba can do but become a bounty hunter....who aids the Empire sometimes.

And Boba meets his end at the Sarlacc pit only to blow the damn thing up and fly out of it where he and Luke get into one of the most knockdown ass-kicking fights you'd ever seen.

I know that whole blowing the Sarlacc pit up thing is from the EU (Bounty Hunter Wars), but it is just too damn cool. No way I can come up with something better than that. That's what I mean about the EU, there's some really good stuff there....it's just scattered about and some of the really good stuff is stuck in otherwise crappy stories.

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do it then whats stopping you. and do it without using info from the EU. also get your stuff from the OT but Try to make the PTs at least stand on there own a little. if you do that i will say i am wrong.


We'll just do what Lucas did and rip off other stories and movies, its easy, slap a couple of explosions together, some poodoo jokes and you'll be frothing at the mouth, and you can get the toys at Wal-Mart!
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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BTW, my version of Star Wars definitely does a better take on Boba Fett. Boba and Jango were brothers along with a whole host of Mandalorian Warriors who play a very integral part in the Clone Wars (which by the way involves the Separatists having a droid army AND a clone army against the Republic whose armies are made up of the warriors of its various worlds like Wookiees, Itorians, Mon Calamari, etc, etc). Through the course of the war, all of the Mandalorians are killed, but take more than a few Jedi with them. Jango is killed leaving Boba as the last Mandalorian, who aids Darth Vader in hunting the last of the Jedi. Once the Jedi are all destroyed, there's really nothing Boba can do but become a bounty hunter....who aids the Empire sometimes.


Why all the talk about Boba & wanting to know more? Just go read the books as they deal with Fett quite well - Tales of the Bounty Hunters & Book I of the The Bounty Hunter Wars, his history is fleshed out and it's totally fitting; not to mention badass. Unlike Lucas's dumb 'hey-i'm-a-little-bounty-hunter-clone; here-is-my-helmet-there is-my dad' ensemble BS, the books are actually fitting. Not to mention that some of the other bounty hunters like Dengar, 4-Lom, etc. are also expanded upon. If one reads those I don't see why anyone would feel the need to try & invent anything about him, unless one is a slave to LucAss & his vision through the prewankquels and thus not rececptive to the EU.

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This new Vader cycle (the prequels) has split the one-time Old Republic that was Star Wars fandom into two warring factions: the Rebellion, and the normal people with a sense of perspective who don’t need a term from the Star Wars lexicon to define them. The Rebellion is populated by the joyless, cynical ubertrolls who, sadly, take up the most space on the Internet. These are the hollow men and women who marched into the prequels demanding that Lucas recapture their lost Star Wars youth for them – that simple time in their lives when they had the excuse of prepubescence to explain why they were still virgins. With that much investment in make-believe, its little wonder they emerged as more twisted by the dark side than young Skywalker himself. The rest of us who grew in the sixteen years between Jedi and Phantom Menace view the new trilogy for what it is: three movies, not three impossible-to-fulfill expectations of folks who need a bearded billionaire in flannel to dream for them.”

- Kevin Smith, Rolling Stone Magazine Interview, June 2nd 2005




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"The original 'Star Wars' movies," said Parker.

"Yeah," echoed Stone. "The feeling I had when I liked it."

"That movie was our religion," said Parker. "It was basically saying, 'Hey, there's this power out there, and we can all sort of tap into it, and it's us and it's everything, and anyone can do this.' And then suddenly the new ones came out, and it's like, 'Well, no, it's all genetics. It's all in your blood.' "
"Horrible," Stone said of the prequels. "Beyond all the wooden acting and the stupid fights and all the terrible scripts, the very core of 'Star Wars' was ruined in these new ones. The idea that you're born with the force is so anti the original 'Star Wars.' Even though George Lucas made them all, he's wrong."

When asked which character they hate the most, Parker doesn't miss a beat: "Anyone in the prequels."
"Anything in any of the new ones," Stone agreed. "They don't exist to me. I don't even know what you're talking about. The new 'Star Wars' don't exist in my reality. Lucas is just an insane guy up in San Francisco now."




Strangely and ironically enough, these two parties don't really disagree with one other. Standing alone, both quotes are 50% right and 50% wrong. But again, together they don't really disagree with one other.

BTW, I consider Kevin Smith and Trey Parker/ Matt Stone are on the same level of excellence as filmmakers.






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This new Vader cycle (the prequels) has split the one-time Old Republic that was Star Wars fandom into two warring factions: the Rebellion, and the normal people with a sense of perspective who don’t need a term from the Star Wars lexicon to define them. The Rebellion is populated by the joyless, cynical ubertrolls who, sadly, take up the most space on the Internet. These are the hollow men and women who marched into the prequels demanding that Lucas recapture their lost Star Wars youth for them – that simple time in their lives when they had the excuse of prepubescence to explain why they were still virgins. With that much investment in make-believe, its little wonder they emerged as more twisted by the dark side than young Skywalker himself. The rest of us who grew in the sixteen years between Jedi and Phantom Menace view the new trilogy for what it is: three movies, not three impossible-to-fulfill expectations of folks who need a bearded billionaire in flannel to dream for them.”

- Kevin Smith, Rolling Stone Magazine Interview, June 2nd 2005




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"The original 'Star Wars' movies," said Parker.

"Yeah," echoed Stone. "The feeling I had when I liked it."

"That movie was our religion," said Parker. "It was basically saying, 'Hey, there's this power out there, and we can all sort of tap into it, and it's us and it's everything, and anyone can do this.' And then suddenly the new ones came out, and it's like, 'Well, no, it's all genetics. It's all in your blood.' "
"Horrible," Stone said of the prequels. "Beyond all the wooden acting and the stupid fights and all the terrible scripts, the very core of 'Star Wars' was ruined in these new ones. The idea that you're born with the force is so anti the original 'Star Wars.' Even though George Lucas made them all, he's wrong."

When asked which character they hate the most, Parker doesn't miss a beat: "Anyone in the prequels."
"Anything in any of the new ones," Stone agreed. "They don't exist to me. I don't even know what you're talking about. The new 'Star Wars' don't exist in my reality. Lucas is just an insane guy up in San Francisco now."




Strangely and ironically enough, these two parties don't really disagree with one other. Standing alone, both quotes are 50% right and 50% wrong. But again, together they don't really disagree with one other.

BTW, I consider Kevin Smith and Trey Parker/ Matt Stone are on the same level of excellence as filmmakers.



Welcome to the boards man!!! Hope you enjoy our little band of eccentrics here.....

Now, first of all...those quotes are not really related. They're talking about two different things, at least they way I'm reading them.

Second, Trey and Matt are way more clever than KS could ever hope to be. True, they both use a lot of potty humor and the like, but Trey and Matt are just the masters. KS was doing it before them, yeah....but those two guys have surpassed KS and left him in the dust. Besides, KS never takes on "issues" in the media like Trey and Matt do. KS typically stays focused on pop culture stuff.