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Normally I won't want to start a political discussion on a Star Wars site but I have to make an exception now. There is imformation about John Kerry that I only recently found out. As you know I have never liked John Kerry because I am very conservative. However even I did not think he was this bad until I heard the things he said in the 1970s about our boys in Vietnam. Yes Kerry did serve in Vietnam (as he just loves to remind you) but there are many unkown facts that could affect your opinion of the election.

Kerry launched his political career with false testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations commision in 1971 saying American soldiers were "a generation of monsters" who murdered, raped, tortured, killed babies (I personally find it funny a man who supports abortion the sick murdering of children in our country can call anyone a baby killer) and ravaged the countryside like Genghis Khans army. It was an outragous lie. Though as in any war there were a few random acts like this from various soldiers but it was not official American policy. In fact the exact opposite is true. America actually opposed carpet bombings and soldiers volunteered there lives to prevent innocent from getting murdered. 20 out of the 22 men who served with Kerry consider him unfit for office. The men who fought in Nam were mostly heros fighting and dying for there country and deserve more respect. Which is why we can't send Kerry to the White House. Go Bush.
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Yes go with a man who was out getting coked to the eyeballs and picking up hookers rather than reporting for duty.

Go with a man who lied to the world about WMDs, a lie which cost the lives of men, women and children (mostly Iraqis though so who cares right?)

Go with a man who believes in the coming 'end of days' prophesied in an ancient fairytale which itself is based on the Greek myth of Zeus and Herakles, a VERY simple man who takes his orders from an imaginary friend.

Go with a man who will continue to steal services from the poor in order that the rich can continue to profit from his administration.

Go with a man who will limit a woman's right to choice.

Go with a man who is so dangerously stupid he almost did himself in with a bag of pretzels.

Go with a man who has created a climate of fear to rally conseratives and forcibly remove freedom and liberties from private citizens.

Go with a man who's brother helped rig a Presidential election when most people 'voted for the other guy'.

Go with a man who took the greatest outpouring of grief, sympathy and support that the world has ever seen and turned it around into outrage and disgust.

Go with a man whose only smudges that the Republican dirt machine can uncover are possible overstatements most likely based in fact FROM THIRTY FUCKING YEARS AGO or go with a man who is lying to you now and will continue to lie to the world in the future as long as it suits the interests of Carlyle and Halliburton.

The choice is clear.

Fuck Bush.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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The times I'm glad I'm Canadian...... like right now.

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Got room in your apartment, Gundark?
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Oh no not again...

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It Takes Real Courage to Desert Your Post and Then Attack a Wounded Vet

Dear Mr. Bush,

I know you and I have had our differences in the past, and I realize I am the one who started this whole mess about "who did what" during Vietnam when I brought up that "deserter" nonsense back in January. But I have to hand it to you on what you have uncovered about John Kerry and his record in Vietnam. Kerry has tried to pass himself off as a war hero, but thanks to you and your friends, we now know the truth.

First of all, thank you for pointing out to all of us that Mr. Kerry was never struck by a BULLET. It was only SHRAPNEL that entered his body! I did not know that! Hell, what's the big deal about a bunch of large, sharp, metal shards ripping open your flesh? That happens to all of us! In my opinion, if you want a purple heart, you'd better be hit by a bullet -- with your name on it!

Secondly, thank you for sending Bob Dole out there and letting us know that Mr. Kerry, though wounded three times, actually "never spilled blood." When you are in the debates with Kerry, turn to him and say, "Dammit, Mr. Kerry, next time you want a purple heart, you better spill some American red blood! And I don't mean a few specks like those on O.J.'s socks -- we want to see a good pint or two of blood for each medal. In fact, I would have preferred that you had bled profusely, a big geyser of blood spewing out of your neck or something!" Then throw this one at him: "Senator Kerry, over 58,000 brave Americans gave their lives in Vietnam -- but YOU didn't. You only got WOUNDED! What do you have to say for yourself???" Lay that one on him and he won't know what to do.

And thanks, also, Mr. Bush, for exposing the fact that Mr. Kerry might have actually WOUNDED HIMSELF in order to get those shiny medals. Of course he did! How could the Viet Cong have hit him -- he was on a SWIFT boat! He was going too fast to be hit by enemy fire. He tried to blow himself up three different times just so he could go home and run for president someday. It's all so easy to see, now, what he was up to.

What would we do without you, Mr. Bush? Criticize you as we might, when it comes to pointing out other men's military records, there is no one who can touch your prowess. In 2000, you let out the rumor that your opponent John McCain might be "nuts" from the 5 years he spent in a POW camp. Then, in the 2002 elections, your team compared triple-amputee Sen. Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden, and that cost him the election. And now you are having the same impact on war hero John Kerry. Since you (oops, I mean "The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!") started running those ads, Kerry's poll numbers have dropped (with veterans, he has lost 18 points in the last few weeks).

Some people have said "Who are you, Mr. Bush, to attack these brave men considering you yourself have never seen combat -- in fact, you actively sought to avoid it." What your critics fail to understand is that even though your dad got you into a unit that would never be sent to Vietnam -- and even though you didn't show up for Guard duty for at least a year -- at least you were still IN FAVOR of the Vietnam War! Cowards like Clinton felt it was more important to be consistent (he opposed the war, thus he refused to go) than to be patriotic and two-faced.

The reason that I think you know so much about other men's war wounds is because, during your time in the Texas Air National Guard, you suffered so many of them yourself. Consider the paper cut you received on September 22, 1972, while stationed in Alabama, working on a Senate campaign for your dad's friend (when you were supposed to be on the Guard base). A campaign brochure appeared from nowhere, ambushing your right index finger, and blood trickled out onto your brand new argyle sweater.

Then there was the incident with the Crazy Glue when your fraternity brothers visited you one weekend at the base and glued your lips together while you were "passed out." Though initially considered "friendly fire," it was later ruled that you suffered severe post traumatic stress disorder from the assault and required certain medicinal attention -- which, it seems, was provided by those same fraternity brethren.

But nothing matched your heroism when, on July 2, 1969, you sustained a massive head injury when enemy combatants from another Guard unit dropped a keg of Coors on your head during a reconnaissance mission at a nearby all-girls college. Fortunately, the cool, smooth fluids that poured out of the keg were exactly what was needed to revive you.

That you never got a purple heart for any of these incidents is a shame. I can fully appreciate your anger at Senator Kerry for the three he received. I mean, Kerry was a man of privilege, he could have gotten out just like you. Instead, he thinks he's going to gain points with the American people bragging about how he was getting shot at every day in the Mekong Delta. Ha! Is that the best he can do? Hell, I hear gunfire every night outside my apartment window! If he thinks he is going to impress anyone with the fact that he volunteered to go when he could have spent the Vietnam years on the family yacht, he should think again. That only shows how stupid he was! True-blue Americans want a president who knows how to pull strings and work the system and get away with doing as little work as possible!

So, to make it up to you, I have written some new ads you can use on TV. People will soon tire of the swift boat veterans and you are going to need some fresh, punchier material. Feel free to use any of these:

ANNOUNCER: "When the bullets were flying all around him in Vietnam, what did John Kerry do? He said he leaned over the boat and 'pulled a man out of the river.' But, as we all know, men don't live in the river -- fish do. John Kerry knows how to tell a big fish tale. What he won't tell you is that when the enemy was shooting at him, he ducked. Do you want a president who will duck? Vote Bush."

ANNOUNCER: "Mr. Kerry's biggest supporter, Sen. Max Cleland, claims to have lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam. But he still has one arm! How did that happen? One word: Cowardice. When duty called, he was unwilling to give his last limb. Is that the type of selfishness you want hanging out in the White House? We think not. Vote for the man who would be willing to give America his right frontal lobe. Vote Bush."

Hope these help, Mr. Bush. And remember, when the American death toll in Iraq hits 1,000 during the Republican convention, be sure to question whether those who died really did indeed "die" -- or were they just trying to get their faces on CNN's nightly tribute to fallen heroes? The sixteen who've died so far this week were probably working hand in hand with the Kerry campaign to ruin your good time in New York. Stay consistent, sir, and always, ALWAYS question the veracity of anyone who risks his or her life for this country. It's the least that person deserves.

Yours,

Michael Moore
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P.S. George, I know you said you don't read the newspaper, but USA Today has given me credentials to the Republican convention to write a guest column each day next week (Tues.-Fri.). If you don't want to read it, you and I will be in the same building so maybe I could come by and read it to you? Lemme know...
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Jimbo, what rock were you under??
The Kerry quote from his 1971 testimony has been bouncing around TV and radio for months.
At the least, he greatly exaggerated.
At the most, he blatently lied under oath to Congress.

ricarleite,
You must take everything that Moore says with a grain, no, a fistful of salt. The man openly has an agenda and historically twists the facts for his own uses.
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Kerry launched his political career with false testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations commision in 1971 saying American soldiers were "a generation of monsters" who murdered, raped, tortured, killed babies (I personally find it funny a man who supports abortion the sick murdering of children in our country can call anyone a baby killer) and ravaged the countryside like Genghis Khans army.


and he himself considers himself a "monster", and yes they were monsters, i doubt that you could find 5% of the veterans that would be honestly proud of what they did in 'nam.

abortion is different from killing babies. fallwell-cronies-groupies need to read some more books instead only the "one true book"

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America actually opposed carpet bombings and soldiers volunteered there lives to prevent innocent from getting murdered.


opposed carpet bombings, but didnt mind napalm... have you what napalm does to people, what happens to them should they - god forbid - survive it?

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men who fought in Nam were mostly heros fighting and dying for there country and deserve more respect.


no they were not fighting and dying for their country, they were fighting for a wrong cause and they lost. the USA was not in danger of anything at the time.

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Which is why we can't send Kerry to the White House.


but we can send imperialists, fascists, liars, thieves, murderers etc?
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Originally posted by: starkiller
ricarleite,
You must take everything that Moore says with a grain, no, a fistful of salt. The man openly has an agenda and historically twists the facts for his own uses.


I don't. I could go on and argue like I used to do months ago, when a political war broke into this forum, but I decided to just go on and copy-paste the first political text I could find about the subject, and it ended up being Moore's. I knew someone would point this out sooner or later. I just gave up arguing, as I'm "too liberal". You can't fight for a peaceful world, nope, can't do that. You gotta yell out stuff like "world is better without Saddam" so that the brutality seems deliciously justified. By the way I want Bush to win. First, because I don't give a crap anymore, as it won't influence my life that much. Second, because most americans (not all of them) deserve 4 more years of him.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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abortion is different from killing babies. fallwell-cronies-groupies need to read some more books instead only the "one true book"


One more thing... I'm a strict liberal, almost anarchist in a way, but I DO consider abortion to be the BLOODY MURDER of innocent PEOPLE who had nothing to do with the mother's inabilities to keep her legs closed together. Even if I was a poor 2 dollar prostitute living in the street and expecting triplets, I would NEVER do such a thing, I belive it's one of the most horrible thing you could do, along with murdering defenseless innocents.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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abortion is different from killing babies. fallwell-cronies-groupies need to read some more books instead only the "one true book"


One more thing... I'm a strict liberal, almost anarchist in a way, but I DO consider abortion to be the BLOODY MURDER of innocent PEOPLE who had nothing to do with the mother's inabilities to keep her legs closed together. Even if I was a poor 2 dollar prostitute living in the street and expecting triplets, I would NEVER do such a thing, I belive it's one of the most horrible thing you could do, along with murdering defenseless innocents.


Finally ricarleite we finally agree. A womens right to choose as they call it needs to stop. Click here and view the innocent victiems of one of the worst crimes against humanity ever Frankly watching these images brings a tear to my eye everytime. I don't know how how anyone could do such a thing. What is going through there heads. How can they justify such a thing. Its murder plain and simple murder. If I had my way everyone who ever got an abortion would be hanged for murdering these innocent children.
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
man who takes his orders from an imaginary friend.
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I've got to say this offends me. You have every right not to believe in God but please respect the believes of others. To say that we shouldn't vote for someone because he believes in God is silly. There have been alot of great people and Presidents who believe in God. How would you like it if someone said that we shouldn't vote for someone because he doesn't believe in God? Now don't get me wrong I'm no Bush lover, as I've said before I didn't vote for him in the 1st election and I don't intend to vote for him this time he is a bad president. But I don't think his believe in god has anything to do with it.
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men who fought in Nam were mostly heros fighting and dying for there country and deserve more respect.


no they were not fighting and dying for their country, they were fighting for a wrong cause and they lost. the USA was not in danger of anything at the time.




Motti I have disagree here. You want to say that we were wrong for going to Vietnam fine. But please the soldiers didn't chose to go there, they were ordered to go. A lot didn't even choose to be in the army they were drafted. These men were fighting and dying for their country. Blame the government of their country not them.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite


I don't. I could go on and argue like I used to do months ago, when a political war broke into this forum, but I decided to just go on and copy-paste the first political text I could find about the subject, and it ended up being Moore's. I knew someone would point this out sooner or later. I just gave up arguing, as I'm "too liberal". You can't fight for a peaceful world, nope, can't do that. You gotta yell out stuff like "world is better without Saddam" so that the brutality seems deliciously justified. By the way I want Bush to win. First, because I don't give a crap anymore, as it won't influence my life that much. Second, because most americans (not all of them) deserve 4 more years of him.


Ric, you've gone too far! I don't mind that you're against the war or Bush. I know my country is not perfect. Why do you think we deserve 4 more years of Bush. He is a terrible President! May I remind you that many Americans feel the same way about the war that you do. I had a coworker who talked about Bush and the war exactly like you do. Another coworker of mine is signing up to vote for the 1st in her life just to vote Bush out of office. I also read everyday in the paper, the letters to editors many are anti Bush and anti war. There have been protests all around the country against the war. Remember although Bush won the 1st election, he didn't win the popular vote. That should tell you somthing of what Americans really think of Bush and his policies.

And wheither or not it justifies the war, the world is better off without Saddam. One less murdering dictator in the world. How you beleive that the world is better off with a man like Saddam than without? You don't have to think that that justifies the war, but Saddam definitely was not a good guy and I am glad it is not longer in power. I can only hope this ends with a stable Iraq with the people of Iraq being able to choose their own leaders.
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JOHN KERRYS FLIP FLOPS

Ever notice this guy can't make up his mind

1. Says he will pull out of the war the HE VOTED FOR

2. Voted against armor for our troops he then stated he VOTED FOR IT BEFORE HE VOTED AGAINST IT

3. He said in the 70s he was ashamed of his Vietnam honers. He now says hes proud of them

4. Is tough on Bush for the high gas prices (how its Bushes falt I don't know) yet he voted to increase the gas tax

5. Calls good soldiers of Vietnam baby killers when he supports baby murdering himself (In my opinion if you vote for him the blood of those babys is on your hands)

6. He never talks about his service in the senete because he did nothing there and voted against several nessessary bills even most democrats supported.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Got room in your apartment, Gundark?


No, but housing isn't too expensive here, and I'm sure you could find work @ the university here.

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I'll be honest that I hate George Bush. I want him out of the white house but to keep from getting into it here on the boards I have to say that John Kerry is just as bad as Bush in my eyes. I'll vote Kerry just for the hope that things will change. That is all I will say.

Do you think we could go for four years without a president for a change?

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Hey Mackey, if you want to send a message, why not just vote Nader?

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because as I said before, a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.
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Originally posted by: Mackey256
I'll be honest that I hate George Bush. I want him out of the white house but to keep from getting into it here on the boards I have to say that John Kerry is just as bad as Bush in my eyes. I'll vote Kerry just for the hope that things will change. That is all I will say.

Do you think we could go for four years without a president for a change?


Then the blood of those babies is on your hands
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Jimbo, the abortion issue is not the only issue at stake.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Jimbo, the abortion issue is not the only issue at stake.


True but its by far the most important in my mind. Its my strongest disagreement with democrates. Go up and look at the link I gave. Sick shit like that has to stop. Right now. But for the sick minds who support that heres more reason to hate Kerry.

1. His picture hangs in a Vietnamise muesum where he is credited as a hero for helping the communist win the war

2. He is constantly changing is view. He is willing to say anything to get your vote. Disagree with Bush or not at least he sticks to his guns

3. He voted against armor for our troops.

4. He voted against several important weapons programs that are vital to todays military that even most democrats supported. This is the same man who says he will be tough on terrorism. Another one of the man cases of flip floping from John Kerry.

5. Kerry called our boys in Vitnam a bunch of monsters who raped and murdered. He publised these in a book and will not let that book be publised today. He doesn't want you to know the horrible things he said.

6. He supports Affermative Action which is an insane racist policy giving minorities an unfair advantage

7. Kerry supports letting Gays marry. Changing what marriage means.

8. Kerry voted to increase the gas tax. In my opinion gas prices are high enough as it is.

9. Kerry is rated the most liberal of all 100 senaters. He is even farther left then Ted Kennedy.

10. Kerry voted against George Bushes tax cuts. Frankly I want that money more then the government. Why the fuck should I give it to them?

People love to blame Bush for the low economy. I took an economic class in high school. Periods of high economic growth are always followed by periods of low economic instibility. Its not Bushes fault its just the natural flucuation of things. As the Govenater said "those who complain about the economy are a bunch of economic girlie men"
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Originally posted by: Warbler
because as I said before, a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.
Just like how a vote for Perot was a vote for Clinton.

Mackey, you said something very key there, that expresses the feelings of far too many people.
I don't like Kerry, but I dislike Bush more, so I'll vote Kerry.

I'd be willing to bet a paycheck that if the polls had a "None of the Above" choice, you'd probably see Kerry's numbers drop like a rock.

One problem that I see with this whole election is the Vietnam issue, on both sides. Its distracting from what needs to be legitimate issues.

When it comes to Bush, so he got some favorable treatment, so what?? I could care less. I got some favorable treatment concerning my job. My mom knew the person in charge of the library, was here one day 6 years ago, heard that a computer-related job was opening up, and gave me the heads up. That's how life goes.

And Kerry, all the pundits after the DNC were saying "Why, even after all rumors about his Vietnam service, would he come out and continue to use it as a reason for him being a presidential candidate? Why wouldn't he discuss his record over the past 20 years in the Senate?"
Perhaps he didn't discuss his 20 years in the Senate because he was afraid it would hurt him, but that's just my opinion.

What needs to be important??
War on Terror, the Economy, the rising cost of medical insurance, etc.

1. War on Terror: Every poll I've seen (and I know polls mean very little) shows that people believe that Bush will be far stronger on terror than Kerry will be. Given what Kerry has said himself about it, I have to agree.

2. Economy: Don't let the media or 527s fool you, the economy is doing very well.
We're down millions of jobs!!- Yah, maybe that's was true, and 527 groups like America Coming Together have been hard at work talking about this. The thing is, when that group calculated the losses, they typically stop tallying in February of this year. Why? Because we've gained probably 2 million jobs since then, and it hurts their argument against Bush.
(Trust me, I know this because they dropped a flier at my house one day. I got a good chuckle out of it during my dinner break from work)
Also, it should be pointed out that the method used to get that 'millions of jobs lost' number is significantly flawed. That number is calculated by contacting major corporations. IBM, Proctor and Gamble, 3M, etc.
But, the number completely disregards those people that have decided to become self-employeed or those that are working in small businesses, which, as many might remember, were given a major tax break by Bush, and can afford to hire more people.

3. Medical: Kerry wants universal health care, at a massive cost to the American taxpayer. Today I read that the estimated cost of his plan is roughly $1 trillion over 10 years.
Kerry wants to do this to help the uninsured. Why are they uninsured?? Because it costs too much (or they're lazy). Why does it cost too much?? Because insurance companies are the one's that end up having to pay out massive malpractice settlements for doctors. Who caused these massive lawsuits?
Trial Lawyers (including VP candidate, John Edwards).
So, Kerry wants to throw more money into the system. Bush wants to reduce the number of frivilous law suits to reduce insurance costs.
(So, Bush wants to save you money twice. Once with insurance, once with the taxes)

Now, besides attacking Bush, talking about Vietnam, and bubbling about his massive universal health care system, I haven't heard any of Kerry's policy ideas. Maybe I'm not just listening hard enough, I will not discount that fact.

Meanwhile, Bush has talked about increasing homeownership, reducing the tax code, medical savings accounts to help offset some medical costs, continuing to increase accountability in the schools, slight changes to the social security system so that individiuals have more control over their money.

What I see, when you get right down to it, is Bush wanting to empower people. Give them a chance to run their own lives without the government stepping in every 5 minutes to say "You're doing that wrong, here's a better way."

Well, maybe I want to be wrong.
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how bout the Iraq war, starkiller? the one he mishandled. The one where he celebrated on that ship that the war was over? How high has the death toll gone since then? The where he originally said we were going to war because Saddam had WMDs? Where are the WMDs? How about the fact that a good portion of the world hates us because of Bush's policies. We need to work with the world not against it. You say Bush will be stronger on terrorists. It's 3 years since 9-11 and Bin Ladin is still at large, and terrorist are still planning and carrying out attacks. Doesn't sound like he's strong on terror to me. Maybe he's too busy trying to ban gay marriages. Bush is too strongly connected with the Religous right of the GOP. I think Bush and the GOP is out of touch with todays America. I think it's time for a regime change.
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
Yes go with a man who was out getting coked to the eyeballs and picking up hookers rather than reporting for duty.


This is still up in the air. Some of the documents may have been falsified. Look here for more info.

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Go with a man who lied to the world about WMDs, a lie which cost the lives of men, women and children (mostly Iraqis though so who cares right?)


He did not "lie," he simply went with the best information available at the time, which was coming from not only US Intelligence, but MI6 and Russian Intelligence as well. He wasn't the only one that went with it. There are more than enough of Kerry quotes to show that he was a great believer in WMDs in Iraq, but he has since "flip-flopped" on that issue. Here's just one: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Said on Oct. 9, 2002.

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Go with a man who believes in the coming 'end of days' prophesied in an ancient fairytale which itself is based on the Greek myth of Zeus and Herakles, a VERY simple man who takes his orders from an imaginary friend.


Bush's faith is no different from other president's faiths. You think every other president before him was an atheist? Many other president's and statesmen have mentioned God in their speeches. This is no different.

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Go with a man who will limit a woman's right to choice.


I'll have to agree with you on this. Regardless of those "rotten.com" pictures (Like these people have never seen a surgical operation before...) women should have the right to chose what they want. Though granted there should be a deadline. To be honest it is quite sick to remove a fully formed fetus.

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Go with a man who is so dangerously stupid he almost did himself in with a bag of pretzels.


You've never choked in your whole life before?

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Go with a man who has created a climate of fear to rally conseratives and forcibly remove freedom and liberties from private citizens.


Right, this again. If you're referring to the PATRIOT Act, it's done nothing of the sort.

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Go with a man who's brother helped rig a Presidential election when most people 'voted for the other guy'.


The United States does not operate on a popular vote system. We use the electoral college. Look it up sometime.

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Go with a man who took the greatest outpouring of grief, sympathy and support that the world has ever seen and turned it around into outrage and disgust.


Don't understand what you mean by this...


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Go with a man whose only smudges that the Republican dirt machine can uncover are possible overstatements most likely based in fact FROM THIRTY FUCKING YEARS AGO or go with a man who is lying to you now and will continue to lie to the world in the future as long as it suits the interests of Carlyle and Halliburton.


The only smudges? Republican dirt machine? I suggest you look further into both candidate rather than taking such a biased view against one.

Oh, and to reply to Jimbo:

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His picture hangs in a Vietnamise muesum where he is credited as a hero for helping the communist win the war


Kerry visited Vietnam in 1993 as part of a US delegation that was looking into finding missing servicemen, where the photo in question arises from ( if you want to see it, it's here). As for what the museum says, if it does say it is crediting him, it's pure propaganda. Wouldn't be the first time.

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Originally posted by: Warbler
how bout the Iraq war, starkiller? the one he mishandled. The one where he celebrated on that ship that the war was over? How high has the death toll gone since then? The where he originally said we were going to war because Saddam had WMDs? Where are the WMDs? How about the fact that a good portion of the world hates us because of Bush's policies. We need to work with the world not against it. You say Bush will be stronger on terrorists. It's 3 years since 9-11 and Bin Ladin is still at large, and terrorist are still planning and carrying out attacks. Doesn't sound like he's strong on terror to me. Maybe he's too busy trying to ban gay marriages. Bush is too strongly connected with the Religous right of the GOP. I think Bush and the GOP is out of touch with todays America. I think it's time for a regime change.


Bin Ladin may be dead for all you know. Saying that because we haven't caught him is evidence Bush is not hard on terrorism is very unfair. What about Clinton. How many terror attacks did he ignore. The only difference between September 11th and all those other terror attacks is George W. Bush. Your going to tell me the war was a bad thing. First of all he did have those weapons. When Bush said they had weapons knowbody not France or Germany disputed this since the United Nations intellgence determined he had those weapons. He probably shiped them out of the country before the war. Not to mention September 11th proved a box cutter can be a weapon of mass destruction when put in the hands of a monster and Saddam Hussiane was a monster. The man tryed to assasinate a united states President, the man lied and deseved the United Nations multiple times, the man used gas on his own people and American troops found mass graves were Saddam excecuted thousands for fictious crimes. Youd rather that man still be at large.

Also to bad karma if you believe a women should have the right to kill a child may God have mercy on your soul. Wait no he won't. If it were up to me id excecute every women and every doctor who commited an abortion. On the charge of senseless murder of innocent human lives.