Kennedy worse than Lucas. — Page 4

Astroboi2 said:

What’s the topic again?

who raped star wars more

Lord Tobias said:

Astroboi2 said:

What’s the topic again?

who raped star wars more

That’s… in poor taste.

Astroboi2 said:

What’s the topic again?

Who’s sexier: Kennedy or Lucas?

generalfrevious said:

What good has Kathleen Kennedy done for this franchise?

Nothing. YET. But you don’t know how much “creative freedom” does she have. Don’t forget she’s working for the Mouse.

All she did was exploit fans’ nostalgia for the OT,

Just like the prequel trilogy, which was 100% George’s work.

while at the same time doubling down on not releasing them.

Does SHE have the right to release them? What if she wants to release them but the problem is either on Fox’s or Disney’s side?

Common sense should have left SW alone.

Not really. Star Wars is unfortunately (?) extremely marketable, and let’s face it, Star Wars is the reason why Disney bought Lucasfilm. They will release Star Wars stuff until they start to lose money.

Bit where are we now?

I don’t know about you, but I’m lying on my couch.

Kennedy has given us a loose remake and a fanservice-heavy spinoff.

I agree with that. While I kind of liked TFA, the only parts I liked were ripped off, I mean inspired by the original movie(s). And Rogue One was just a boring fan film with no interesting or memorable characters and one cool scene (Darth Vader).

It’s apparent she’s stifling any creativity by firing directors and keeping on hacks only because they make money.

Well she’s a producer. That’s what Hollywood producers do. They don’t usually care about artistic value, they usually do their decisions based on the highest profits.

Of the next four films coming up, only TLJ would come close to not being some reference-heavy glorified fan film (I’m not buying into the hype).

Well, TLJ is the first Star Wars movie I don’t care about, like at all. I’ve seen the first trailer and my reaction was similar to my reaction of most of current trailers, a giant “meh”, I don’t even know if some other trailers were released or what the other four movies you mentioned will be.

At least with Lucas you got fascinating failures instead of marvel-lite like today’s Star Wars movies.

Actually this is pretty interesting. I have seen TFA twice, once on the big screen and once on the BD, and I don’t plan to watch it any time soon. I’ve seen Rogue One once, I have it on BD but I never even opened it and I don’t feel the need to wtch it. However the prequels - I don’t like them but I’ve seen them many times, I watch the first 6 movies at least once a year since they started to come out on DVD in 2001(?). I didn’t realize that until now, thanks for the term “fascinating failures”, it makes sense.

By the time the Obi-wan movie comes out this franchise will have TEN mediocre installments in it!

What? There’s an Obi-wan movie planned? Why?

pittrek said:

generalfrevious said:

What good has Kathleen Kennedy done for this franchise?

Nothing. YET. But you don’t know how much “creative freedom” does she have. Don’t forget she’s working for the Mouse.

All she did was exploit fans’ nostalgia for the OT,

Just like the prequel trilogy, which was 100% George’s work.

while at the same time doubling down on not releasing them.

Does SHE have the right to release them? What if she wants to release them but the problem is either on Fox’s or Disney’s side?

Common sense should have left SW alone.

Not really. Star Wars is unfortunately (?) extremely marketable, and let’s face it, Star Wars is the reason why Disney bought Lucasfilm. They will release Star Wars stuff until they start to lose money.

Bit where are we now?

I don’t know about you, but I’m lying on my couch.

Kennedy has given us a loose remake and a fanservice-heavy spinoff.

I agree with that. While I kind of liked TFA, the only parts I liked were ripped off, I mean inspired by the original movie(s). And Rogue One was just a boring fan film with no interesting or memorable characters and one cool scene (Darth Vader).

It’s apparent she’s stifling any creativity by firing directors and keeping on hacks only because they make money.

Well she’s a producer. That’s what Hollywood producers do. They don’t usually care about artistic value, they usually do their decisions based on the highest profits.

Of the next four films coming up, only TLJ would come close to not being some reference-heavy glorified fan film (I’m not buying into the hype).

Well, TLJ is the first Star Wars movie I don’t care about, like at all. I’ve seen the first trailer and my reaction was similar to my reaction of most of current trailers, a giant “meh”, I don’t even know if some other trailers were released or what the other four movies you mentioned will be.

At least with Lucas you got fascinating failures instead of marvel-lite like today’s Star Wars movies.

Actually this is pretty interesting. I have seen TFA twice, once on the big screen and once on the BD, and I don’t plan to watch it any time soon. I’ve seen Rogue One once, I have it on BD but I never even opened it and I don’t feel the need to wtch it. However the prequels - I don’t like them but I’ve seen them many times, I watch the first 6 movies at least once a year since they started to come out on DVD in 2001(?). I didn’t realize that until now, thanks for the term “fascinating failures”, it makes sense.

By the time the Obi-wan movie comes out this franchise will have TEN mediocre installments in it!

What? There’s an Obi-wan movie planned? Why?

Because the worst disney star wars film will always be better than anything George Lucas created after 1977…that includes the franchise destroying darth father plot twist…talk about a compelling character destroyed by one plot twist

I’m glad that some people like the prequels

Roots out the smart people from the retards

Only a moRon can think Lucas ever had any artistic value

Lord Tobias said:

Only a moRon can think Lucas ever had any artistic value

You haven’t seen his pre-Star Wars stuff, have you? Including his short films. E.g. Freiheit

Lord Tobias said:

pittrek said:

generalfrevious said:

What good has Kathleen Kennedy done for this franchise?

Nothing. YET. But you don’t know how much “creative freedom” does she have. Don’t forget she’s working for the Mouse.

All she did was exploit fans’ nostalgia for the OT,

Just like the prequel trilogy, which was 100% George’s work.

while at the same time doubling down on not releasing them.

Does SHE have the right to release them? What if she wants to release them but the problem is either on Fox’s or Disney’s side?

Common sense should have left SW alone.

Not really. Star Wars is unfortunately (?) extremely marketable, and let’s face it, Star Wars is the reason why Disney bought Lucasfilm. They will release Star Wars stuff until they start to lose money.

Bit where are we now?

I don’t know about you, but I’m lying on my couch.

Kennedy has given us a loose remake and a fanservice-heavy spinoff.

I agree with that. While I kind of liked TFA, the only parts I liked were ripped off, I mean inspired by the original movie(s). And Rogue One was just a boring fan film with no interesting or memorable characters and one cool scene (Darth Vader).

It’s apparent she’s stifling any creativity by firing directors and keeping on hacks only because they make money.

Well she’s a producer. That’s what Hollywood producers do. They don’t usually care about artistic value, they usually do their decisions based on the highest profits.

Of the next four films coming up, only TLJ would come close to not being some reference-heavy glorified fan film (I’m not buying into the hype).

Well, TLJ is the first Star Wars movie I don’t care about, like at all. I’ve seen the first trailer and my reaction was similar to my reaction of most of current trailers, a giant “meh”, I don’t even know if some other trailers were released or what the other four movies you mentioned will be.

At least with Lucas you got fascinating failures instead of marvel-lite like today’s Star Wars movies.

Actually this is pretty interesting. I have seen TFA twice, once on the big screen and once on the BD, and I don’t plan to watch it any time soon. I’ve seen Rogue One once, I have it on BD but I never even opened it and I don’t feel the need to wtch it. However the prequels - I don’t like them but I’ve seen them many times, I watch the first 6 movies at least once a year since they started to come out on DVD in 2001(?). I didn’t realize that until now, thanks for the term “fascinating failures”, it makes sense.

By the time the Obi-wan movie comes out this franchise will have TEN mediocre installments in it!

What? There’s an Obi-wan movie planned? Why?

Because the worst disney star wars film will always be better than anything George Lucas created after 1977…that includes the franchise destroying darth father plot twist…talk about a compelling character destroyed by one plot twist

Now I’m convinced you’re trolling.

adywan said:

generalfrevious said:

What good has Kathleen Kennedy done for this franchise? All she did was exploit fans’ nostalgia for the OT, while at the same time doubling down on not releasing them. Common sense should have left SW alone. Bit where are we now? Kennedy has given us a loose remake and a fanservice-heavy spinoff. It’s apparent she’s stifling any creativity by firing directors and keeping on hacks only because they make money. Of the next four films coming up, only TLJ would come close to not being some reference-heavy glorified fan film (I’m not buying into the hype). At least with Lucas you got fascinating failures instead of marvel-lite like today’s Star Wars movies. By the time the Obi-wan movie comes out this franchise will have TEN mediocre installments in it!

Stifling creativity? So far only the Han Solo films directors have been fired and that’s because they were turning the film into something completely different than they were hired to do. None of the other directors were fired. The so called “Gareth Edwards had nothing to do with the reshoots” articles were bull. The proof is there in the final film that he was still there. One of the final scenes to be filmed for the film was the vader attack/ Tantive IV escape. Originally there was no battle, it just escaped as Vader’s stardestroyer obliterated the Mon Calmiari ship. So, if Gareth was replaced, as the articles suggested ( all from a supposed on set report of another director in charge, when it was nothing more than the same thing that happened during star wars when Gary Kurtz ended up directing a lot of the scenes due to time constraints), then how was here the one who pulled the lever to release the Tantive? Also Edwards wanted to kill off all the characters but originally shot the film with a completely different ending where most survived because he never thought that they would allow him to kill them all off. But they did and gave the go ahead for extensive reshoots ( plus because the original tower was not part of the main building and, when viewing the cut, realised that combining the two buildings was a better idea as the final battle was going on way too long).

To say that Kennedy is stifling any creativity is just not true. If that were the case then there is no way she would have given the go ahead for the R1 reshoots. If that were George he would have just said it could be “fixed in editing”. Here’s what Edwards said about the final scene:

““He arrives and obliterates the Calamari ship, and then the blockade runner gets out just in time and he pursues the blockade runner. And then Jabez was like, ‘I think we need to get Darth on that ship,’ and I thought, yeah, that’s a brilliant idea and would love to do it, but there’s no way they’re going to let us do it. It’s a big number and we had, what, like 3 or 4 months before release. Kathy [Kennedy] came in and Jabez thought, f*ck it, and pitched her this idea, and she loved it. Suddenly within a week or two we were at Pinewood shooting that scene.””

If that is stifling creativity then i wish more studio bosses would do it. And if you are accusing her of this just because of the firing of the Han Solo film directors then that is NOT stifling creativity. That is protecting a well known character along with the studios investment. By all accounts they were turning him into a joke. instead of injecting the Star Wars type humour, that was sorely lacking from the prequels, they were turning it into a full blown buddy comedy movie. Or would you have preferred that han Solo be turned into a complete joke? George almost did that with Return of the Jedi.

As for not releasing the OT, then i didn’t know you had seen the sale contact between Lucas and Disney. You haven’t? Oh, well then, how do you know that part of the contract was that they had to agree that they could not alter his films in any way, including reverting them back to their pre SE state? That they had to remain as they are in this final versions? At least until after his death? Truth is, none of us know.

Read as far as Adywan’s response (thought you were on holiday man 😛 ) who absolutely killed it. End of discussion.

My original reply was going to be “Obvious troll post stirring the pot” but after checking their profile, member since 2006 with nearly 2500 posts…I don’t get it?

.Val

Valheru_84 said:

My original reply was going to be “Obvious troll post stirring the pot” but after checking their profile, member since 2006 with nearly 2500 posts…I don’t get it?

As far as most of us are concerned, frevious is a troll. Just take a good long gander at his post history; you’ll find plenty of histrionic, despicable doozies.

lets not pretend that darth vader ever became nearly as compelling or interesting ever since he became lukes father

imperialscum said:

chyron8472 said:

generalfrevious said:

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

rodneyfaile said:

The Force Awakens and Rogue One are superior to the prequels in every way.

Not in terms of their soundtracks.

That’s very much up for debate.

I can’t remember any [music] from the recent films, but I absolutely remember at least one song from each prequel film.

March of the Resistance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqKtype7Kk

Rey’s Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM

You don’t remember those?

I could actually not remember either of those. And it is probably not music’s fault but rather unmemorable nature of TFA.

who are you again?

chyron8472 said:

imperialscum said:

chyron8472 said:

generalfrevious said:

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

rodneyfaile said:

The Force Awakens and Rogue One are superior to the prequels in every way.

Not in terms of their soundtracks.

That’s very much up for debate.

I can’t remember any [music] from the recent films, but I absolutely remember at least one song from each prequel film.

March of the Resistance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqKtype7Kk

Rey’s Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM

You don’t remember those?

I could actually not remember either of those. And it is probably not music’s fault but rather unmemorable nature of TFA.

A film is not going to be so memorable if you’ve seen it at most twice and not since over 2 years ago.

A poor generalization.

All I’m reacting to is your statement that a movie you’ve seen twice in two years won’t be memorable. I don’t care about all the soundtrack stuff…especially in the thread we’re currently in.