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It blows my mind that none of you have ever heard of this or if you have, never mentioned it on the website or used it in your transfers. I can verify that everything the following paragraphs say are true because I've seen DVDs transferred to a CD with no loss of quality because of this:
What is KVCD?
"K Video Compression Dynamics"

KVCD is a modification to the standard MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 GOP structure and Quantization Matrix. It enables you to create over 120 minutes of near DVD quality video, depending on your material, on a single 80 minute CD-R/CD-RW. We have published these specifications as KVCDx3, our official resolution, which produce 528x480 (NTSC) and 528x576 (PAL) MPEG-1 variable bit rate video, from 64Kbps to 3,000Kbps. Using a resolution of 352x240 (NTSC) or 352x288 (PAL), it's possible to encode video up to ~360 minutes of near VCD quality on a single 80 minute CD-R. The mpeg files created will play back in most modern standalone DVD players. You must burn the KVCD MPEG files as non-standard VCD or non-standard SVCD (depends on your player) with Nero or VCDEasy.

Using KVCD parameters to create DVDs (KDVD), will enable you to create 100% DVD compliant MPEG-2 streams, capable of playing on any standard DVD player. This will allow you to put up to about 6 hours Full D-1 720x480 on one DVD, or about 10 hours at Half D-1 352x480.

^The above was taken from www.kvcd.net and it is absolutely true. If you want to know more about it do a search for KVCD, KWAG, or KDVD. If you want proof that its as good as it says it is go to www.trovando.it a very amazing search engine where you can search all other search engines and torrent sites. Search the torrent sites for KVCDs from a release group called The Usual Suspects, it should have TUS in the title somehwere, download one of their movies (make sure it's a DVD-rip or you won't be getting DVD quality) and burn it to CD, watch it in you dvd player and be amazed by the quality. I wanted to keep it a secret for when I made my own laserdisc transfers but I'm lazy and never finish any of my projects so i figured I would let all of the hard working folks here know about it because I have seen a few of the transfers and it seems that a lot of quality is lost when converting it to DVD. If you use TMPGEnc to encode videos they also have the templates for you to download on that site at http://kvcd.net/dvd-models.html ENJOY!!!
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Originally posted by: MetatronI have seen a few of the transfers and it seems that a lot of quality is lost when converting it to DVD.

I can assure you more quality will be lost when using KVCD.

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The point of the post was not to suggest that people convert to KVCD but to use KDVD. If you can fit almost 6 hours of DVD video on a standard 4.7 gig DVDr that will play in all stand-alone DVD players using the KDVD templates they provide for TMPGEnc then using the same template to put a 2 and a half hour laserdisc transfer (uncompressed and possibly upscaled depending on how you do your captures) on a dual-layer DVD would provide much, much, much greater quality (so much so that I can't even begin to describe it) than what we are presented with now!
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OK, my bad, I read to quickly.

EDIT: Can it be used with CCE?
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I think I may have been too vague on my description the first time I'm glad you posted so I could clear it up for anyone else who might have tought the same way. I bring a lot of knowledge from other areas on this subject of preservations and fan edits, but some things I just don't know from lack of experience. I have never used CCE and they make no mention of it on kvcd.net so I suposse if it uses the same templates then it may work, otherwise I just don't know.
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Originally posted by: Metatron
It blows my mind that none of you have ever heard of this or if you have, never mentioned it on the website or used it in your transfers. I've heard of KVCD. It was a hot topic for discussion amongst P2P users in 2003. And I thought it had died a death...

Yes it should be straightforward to modify the matrix CCE uses in order to create a "KDVD". Personally I would be concerned that using non-standard settings might affect compatibility with standalone players - despite the claims that the streams are 100% DVD-compliant, there is no guarantee that all players will be happy playing video encoded with unusual parameters.

Originally posted by: Metatron
If you can fit almost 6 hours of DVD video on a standard 4.7 gig DVDr ... then using the same template to put a 2 and a half hour laserdisc transfer ... on a dual-layer DVD would provide much, much, much greater quality ...
I have serious doubts about this statement. As I understand it, "K" compression is simply a set of tricks designed to eliminate more info from the source, hopefully with no noticeable loss of quality, in order to encode into less space. There would be little or no benefit in using the technique at standard sizes and bitrates.

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Well I neither have the equipment nor the laserdiscs needed to make my own transfer. But what I have heard is that when captured onto the hardrive the video file is about 20 gigs (i don't know if this is true, i have never attempted a transfer). When converting this video file to the target dvd-sized mpeg using any normal method you lose a lot of data, when doing it with the K method you lose a lot of data as well, but hopefully it is a lot less noticeable. I would try it myself but don't have said huge video file (or as I mentioned the means of making one myself) so if someone is willing to send me one of their transfers BEFORE it was encoded to dvd, when it's in that 20gb or so range, I would be more than happy to test it out. If someone can send me multi-part .rar files of the transfer spread across a few dvds I would be more than happy to pay for shipping and price of discs. I'm incredibly anxious just to see if it would work, I may even get one of my friends in the release group I mentioned to give it a go since it kinda takes a talent and I don't have nearly as much experience as them!

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Well you can basically ignore my last post as it would be pointless right now considering the may4 announcement, but in terms of the K compression, I still think it has a use though... and I plan to prove it soon enough.
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Metatron, it's not a good idea to put your email as such in a post. A Spambot will pick it up and inundate your email - unless, of course, you are in serious need of Vi@gr@ becuz you PENI$ is 2 small 4 you lady.

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Lol, gmail (google mail) has some of the greatest spam protection I have ever seen, I could care less, bring on the spam, but not the stuff in the can, I'm a vegetarian!