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Anjohan said:

Those are some great arguments. And thank you for your support - as always.

The line (“I killed Anakin Skywalker”) will be reinstated, and your arguments for it are very good. It allows obi-wan to put his guilt behind him, and not consider his friend completely gone.

Beautiful.

“It’s beautiful” - Director Krennic

I agree: we can reintroduce that line and leave out the rest!

I’m so glad that you’re working on this. The writing had so many logic issues and plot holes that I ended up really not liking the series - even though I admit it has cool moments…it’s as if cool moments were all they were after though. I’m excited to see how this turns out!

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thevarsek said:

Anjohan said:

Those are some great arguments. And thank you for your support - as always.

The line (“I killed Anakin Skywalker”) will be reinstated, and your arguments for it are very good. It allows obi-wan to put his guilt behind him, and not consider his friend completely gone.

Beautiful.

“It’s beautiful” - Director Krennic

I agree: we can reintroduce that line and leave out the rest!

I’m so glad that you’re working on this. The writing had so many logic issues and plot holes that I ended up really not liking the series - even though I admit it has cool moments…it’s as if cool moments were all they were after though. I’m excited to see how this turns out!

It feels like they took the movie idea and stretched it just to fill time.

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i haven’t read through every post on this thread, so sorry if i repeat something…
that Leia chase edit looks great. no chase, she just gets a hood slipped over her from behind. i’m sure others will agree that the second Leia chase needs some real restructuring. it look like Reva is chasing them at first, and then i guess she gets lost or something?
is it too much to hope that someone out there can make the grand inquisitor look like a Pau’an, like he is supposed to be? yeah, i know. that would be a lot of work…
i would lighten Luke’s hair, if it’s possible. that’s probably nitpicking, but people’s hair generally gets darker as they get older, not lighter.
i really want to see Vader kill Reva after their fight. no, not because i hate her or something. it just doesn’t make sense for Vader to let her live. it didn’t even make sense that he let her live for any period of time, since he knows that she knows who he is. i actually ended up liking her character arc, even though it was so predictable, but Vader has always killed anyone who even finds out who he is. the only problem is that i’m pretty sure Disney wants to use Reva in other projects, so it probably wouldn’t be a canon-worthy edit.
i think it would make more sense for Reva to be sneaking up behind Vader right at the moment that the second ship is escaping. it would be a smarter move for Reva to attack as he’s distracted, and it would make it look like he’s too occupied to grab the second ship with the force.
i’d like to see the the Vader/Kenobi fight without cutaways. it’s distracting. it also doesn’t make sense that Kenobi seemingly instantaneously travels to Tatooine when he senses Reva is already two feet away from Luke. maybe Obi-Wan is already leaving the planet him and Darth fought on, when he senses the first moment that Reva shows up at “Skywalker Ranch.” it would at least seem like it took a little more time for him to travel through space.
oh, and the de-aging.
just my two cents. i’m really looking forward to your edits, and any Kenobi edits. i think with a little bit of tweaking this could be a worthy addition to the Star Wars universe.

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I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:

https://streamable.com/ngan0x

So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.

Pros:

-> Definitely a more interesting rescue, by far, imo.
-> We actually get Obi-Wan in some good, interesting action before the film’s second act - which is more of a thriller-y, slow-burn type of act (which i love, but some starting action might be a good thing).
-> Lovely atmosphere
-> Hajja is more useful
-> World-building

Cons:

-> Leia wears the same robe that Obi-Wan later buys (but I’ve changed the sweater’s color from green to brown).
-> Why does Obi-Wan change outfit? (They are almost similar, but perhaps he borrowed some from his fake jedi friend Hajja?
-> When they escape the facility later on, they come out a door from an establishing shot turning close-up. They wear lab suits. This, imo, is not an issue - as we can let the imagination assume that they followed an escape plan set up by Hajja, and changed clothes on their ways back out for security meassures.
-> Too fanedit-y?

Also, the Inquisitor Fortress never make an apperance in the film (not because of this change - this is just for fun).

Cheers, guys. I’ll respond to posts I haven’t responded to later/tomorrow. Brain is fried.

Thank you for your continuing support and lovely feedback. ❤️

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I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.

Basically, duel starts as normal, when we get to the part where Obi-Wan tries to topple a pillar and Vader catches it, throws it at him, cut to the 2nd half of the fight where Ben is out of the hole, they clash again, Obi-Wan throws him, then throws all the rocks at him and cuts his helmet half off. They talk, Obi-Wan says “Goodbye, Darth” and then after Vader screams “Obi-Wan” then have him slap the ground and send him into the hole?

It’d be tricky (aside from shaving some shots down carefully and re-using one or two from earlier in the duel - and might necessitate generating sparks from the helmet and/or some head replacement of cracked helmet Vader) but it honestly seems like that’s how the fight SHOULD go. Vader literally “leaves” Obi-Wan (When I left you…) and thinks he’s dead, and walks off. Obi-Wan escapes with nobody knowing he’s gone and heads back to Tatooine to watch over Luke (who is in that vision that inspires him to push all the rocks out of the way and jump out of the hole)

Once he’s out of the hole just cut to the ship leaving the planet.

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This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

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NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

This is so much better edited than the original, what the hell. AND you removed Jake Lloyd’s face at the end. Very well done.

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NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

Wow! This was absolutely incredible! I would love to see this included in Anjohan’s film if he likes it and it works with his cut. Amazing editing

Anjohan, in regards to the new rescue clips, the main thing that threw me off was the immediate transition to underwater, are there any other shots you could use to bridge the gap? Even something as simple as Obi walking down an alley or something that could make it seem like he is accessing the sewers

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NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

Well, I’d say you nailed it here! It’d be nice when paired with your New Canon Cut (I still see it as the definitive ROTS).

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NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

I just wish there was the opening crawl and started something in space.

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NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

My god, this is really professional quality, seems exactly like the beginning of a movie. Well done!

Acbagel said:

Anjohan, in regards to the new rescue clips, the main thing that threw me off was the immediate transition to underwater, are there any other shots you could use to bridge the gap? Even something as simple as Obi walking down an alley or something that could make it seem like he is accessing the sewers

Agreed. I also think that this rescue sequence is much better than the rescue from episode 2 by a mile, and for me at least all the clothes changes is excusable, since it isn’t a big deal after all and it’s for the benefit of better scenes. And this could be nitpicking, but Leia is smiling in the shot right before the lights turn off (maybe another shot of her when she’s panicking could be more appropriate). Additionally, an youtuber fixed an “error” of the moment where Obi-Wan hides from the stormtroopers, maybe this could help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQzN0C21go

And jrs81 made an incredible color correction in his own edit of the show, his scenes of the final battle between Vader and Obi-Wan is much less dark, what I think helps A LOT to see clearer what is happening. Please consider doing something like this in your edit Anjohan!

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Broom Kid said:

I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.

Basically, duel starts as normal, when we get to the part where Obi-Wan tries to topple a pillar and Vader catches it, throws it at him, cut to the 2nd half of the fight where Ben is out of the hole, they clash again, Obi-Wan throws him, then throws all the rocks at him and cuts his helmet half off. They talk, Obi-Wan says “Goodbye, Darth” and then after Vader screams “Obi-Wan” then have him slap the ground and send him into the hole?

It’d be tricky (aside from shaving some shots down carefully and re-using one or two from earlier in the duel - and might necessitate generating sparks from the helmet and/or some head replacement of cracked helmet Vader) but it honestly seems like that’s how the fight SHOULD go. Vader literally “leaves” Obi-Wan (When I left you…) and thinks he’s dead, and walks off. Obi-Wan escapes with nobody knowing he’s gone and heads back to Tatooine to watch over Luke (who is in that vision that inspires him to push all the rocks out of the way and jump out of the hole)

Once he’s out of the hole just cut to the ship leaving the planet.

Totally agree. I saw someone suggesting that online in another site another day, and also thought that this is what should have happened during the ending. After Obi-Wan escapes the planet, it could be cool too if Vader, already in his castle in Mustafar, senses Kenobi through the force and say just “Obi-Wan…” (or something like this, just to show that Vader sensed that Obi-Wan could still be alive, maybe even intercutting with the last scene of the flashback). I say this because in ANH Vader say clearly that Obi-Wan is in the Death Star, because he sensed it, so he must have at least a clue that Kenobi could still be alive.

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homelyjedi said:

i think it would make more sense for Reva to be sneaking up behind Vader right at the moment that the second ship is escaping. it would be a smarter move for Reva to attack as he’s distracted, and it would make it look like he’s too occupied to grab the second ship with the force.
oh, and the de-aging.
just my two cents. i’m really looking forward to your edits, and any Kenobi edits. i think with a little bit of tweaking this could be a worthy addition to the Star Wars universe.

I would love both suggestions:

  1. Reva sneaking up on Vader as to why he doesn’t stop the second ship, or why he lets the first one go (remove the idea of having a second ship) - what is it: force pull has a cool down of 2 hours? It doesn’t make sense he didn’t sense it was empty and that he couldn’t pull the second one as well.
  2. the de-aging is a nice to have for me: I love Hayden & Ewan, but I admit that their wrinkles and looks pull me out of the scene. Tbh I was already disillusioned by the show at that point, so that may have contributed to the nitpicking.
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Broom Kid said:

I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.

Basically, duel starts as normal, when we get to the part where Obi-Wan tries to topple a pillar and Vader catches it, throws it at him, cut to the 2nd half of the fight where Ben is out of the hole, they clash again, Obi-Wan throws him, then throws all the rocks at him and cuts his helmet half off. They talk, Obi-Wan says “Goodbye, Darth” and then after Vader screams “Obi-Wan” then have him slap the ground and send him into the hole?

It’d be tricky (aside from shaving some shots down carefully and re-using one or two from earlier in the duel - and might necessitate generating sparks from the helmet and/or some head replacement of cracked helmet Vader) but it honestly seems like that’s how the fight SHOULD go. Vader literally “leaves” Obi-Wan (When I left you…) and thinks he’s dead, and walks off. Obi-Wan escapes with nobody knowing he’s gone and heads back to Tatooine to watch over Luke (who is in that vision that inspires him to push all the rocks out of the way and jump out of the hole)

Once he’s out of the hole just cut to the ship leaving the planet.

This is such a great suggestion, one which I will try out for my own edit!

Obi-Wan left Vader for dead in ROTS, and now Vader can do the same here.

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Octorox said:

I agree with this, and honestly I don’t see him not finishing Vader off as an issue. Sure, he recognizes that Anakin is gone, but recognizing it is one thing, and striking the killing blow himself is another. He couldn’t do it on Mustafar, and I think he still couldn’t do it here.

Precisely. We all know Kenobi is a massive softie under that stoic exterior. 😃

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Anjohan said:

I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:

https://streamable.com/ngan0x

So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.

Love this, personally. And I don’t think it’s too “fanedit-y” at all if it improves the flow and logic of the original material. The second rescue is far better, imo, and I don’t think it’s feasible to keep both in a TV-to-movie edit.

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Responses from the last two pages

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Anjohan said:

I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:

https://streamable.com/ngan0x

So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.

Love this, personally. And I don’t think it’s too “fanedit-y” at all if it improves the flow and logic of the original material. The second rescue is far better, imo, and I don’t think it’s feasible to keep both in a TV-to-movie edit.

Exactly. Cheers, brother. Tell me how you feel about the new transition. Maybe this will be the new rescue.

revel911 said:

Making Haja bad guy?

What? No. I’m confused. Haja is helping Obi-Wan like in the original series, just to a greater (and more engaging) degree (if we’re talking about the alternate rescue idea).

Broom Kid said:

I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.

[… Post continues up above]

This is a very, very interesting idea, and something that could be pulled off. Let me look into it as soon as we’ve decided on going after the alternate rescue idea or not, so that I don’t work on two major changes at once.

Also, my only fear is that the edit becomes too radical and fanedit-y if I go buttshit crazy and start re-arranging both the rescue AND the ending (and the ending totally works for me either way, though this is a BETTER idea than the original mesa thinks).

homelyjedi said:

i haven’t read through every post on this thread, so sorry if i repeat something…
that Leia chase edit looks great. no chase, she just gets a hood slipped over her from behind. i’m sure others will agree that the second Leia chase needs some real restructuring. it look like Reva is chasing them at first, and then i guess she gets lost or something?
is it too much to hope that someone out there can make the grand inquisitor look like a Pau’an, like he is supposed to be? yeah, i know. that would be a lot of work…

Unfortunately I won’t be doing VFX work for the Inquisitor. Live-action and animation often takes liberties and thinking about, everything in Rebels is thinner, hahaha! Just look at the sabers. Tiny, little sticks! There’s the explanation! Haha!

i would lighten Luke’s hair, if it’s possible. that’s probably nitpicking, but people’s hair generally gets darker as they get older, not lighter.

Interesting point. I could do that.

i really want to see Vader kill Reva after their fight. no, not because i hate her or something. it just doesn’t make sense for Vader to let her live. it didn’t even make sense that he let her live for any period of time, since he knows that she knows who he is. i actually ended up liking her character arc, even though it was so predictable, but Vader has always killed anyone who even finds out who he is. the only problem is that i’m pretty sure Disney wants to use Reva in other projects, so it probably wouldn’t be a canon-worthy edit.

It’s up to interpretation whether she dies or not. She’s left fatally wounded in my edit.

i think it would make more sense for Reva to be sneaking up behind Vader right at the moment that the second ship is escaping. it would be a smarter move for Reva to attack as he’s distracted, and it would make it look like he’s too occupied to grab the second ship with the force.

This is the way it is in the edit - made up my mind the moment i saw how badly executed her plan was.

i’d like to see the the Vader/Kenobi fight without cutaways. it’s distracting. it also doesn’t make sense that Kenobi seemingly instantaneously travels to Tatooine when he senses Reva is already two feet away from Luke. maybe Obi-Wan is already leaving the planet him and Darth fought on, when he senses the first moment that Reva shows up at “Skywalker Ranch.” it would at least seem like it took a little more time for him to travel through space.

No cut-aways.

oh, and the de-aging.

De-aging is done.

just my two cents. i’m really looking forward to your edits, and any Kenobi edits. i think with a little bit of tweaking this could be a worthy addition to the Star Wars universe.

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Anjohan said:

Those are some great arguments. And thank you for your support - as always.

The line (“I killed Anakin Skywalker”) will be reinstated, and your arguments for it are very good. It allows obi-wan to put his guilt behind him, and not consider his friend completely gone.

Beautiful.

“It’s beautiful” - Director Krennic

I agree: we can reintroduce that line and leave out the rest!

I’m so glad that you’re working on this. The writing had so many logic issues and plot holes that I ended up really not liking the series - even though I admit it has cool moments…it’s as if cool moments were all they were after though. I’m excited to see how this turns out!

Thank you for that, my friend. Always appreciated. I hope it gives you a good time.

NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

I liked that a lot, NFBisms. A lot. The soundmixing work was very delightful - and the tone and execution of the pacing of the cuts mirroring the trauma and chaotic feeling of Obi-Wan’s mind and heart was beautiful. As a total admirer of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul myself (give ut the last half of season 6, you bastards!) this was definitely in their spirit.

I would have no reason NOT to include this into my edit for any other reason than that it might break with the flow and tone of the rest of the film (/series). However, this could be fixed by me adding a simple soundtrack here and there (thinking the Kenobi Theme - somber version) just to make it “feel” like the rest of the Kenobi film. However, I’ve never borrowed anything from a faneditor before and always like to do my own thing, but this is just… it’s good, man. It’s good.

What does people think? I’m both for and against.

idir_hh said:

I am intrigued by the idea of intercutting the Anakin and Obi wan flashback with the climactic duel, especially if one removes or diminishes the Reva/Luke subplot…

Too be honest, the Jabiin segment is so lackluster in suspense and momentum that the flashback sequence is perfect there as it adds another dimension to the Second Act. A very welcome addition in other words. Therefore I won’t go with this idea - although it is a brilliant one!

revel911 said:

Theme that you may want to check out:

https://youtu.be/ALYjYnGEZKc

Definitely a good one, but I’ve already settled on the duel as it is more or less finished.

Bingowings said:

It would have worked better if a Sandperson did attack and Reva saved Luke. I wish she had lost the saber in the previous episode. When Luke lights up his new saber in ANH wouldn’t he be all “wow that’s like that red one that crazy lady my Aunt and Uncle scared off had… I thought I dreamt it” otherwise the whole sequence is pointlessly distracting. The show is about Kenobi not some child torturing dudes and dudettes. It’s all making redemption very cheap.

True. But I won’t have to deal with that, as all of Reeva is cut in EP 6 - for the better of both continuity and sanity.

lavoyd said:

I’m a little behind on this thread after this latest episode, so pardon me if this has been done or said already.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this whole series and loved this episode as well for multiple reasons but the one thing I immediately thought of modifying while watching the episode that I believe would enhance the scene was adding a bit more of Vader’s voice to the mix in the post duel scene. Specifically when he says “I did…” to more thematically depict Vader as the one responsible for Anakin’s death. I tried to keep it fairly subtle but am open to critique if anyone has any suggestions or feedback.

I added a tad more to the following line “…the same way I will destroy you” as well but kept it much lower in the mix until ‘you’.

https://streamable.com/ephg22

Interesting idea. I like it as is, but I like your approach as well. Let me think about it.

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revel911 said:

Just remember, this is your edit … make it how YOU want. We can give advice, but in the end it is just advice.

I completely agree. Anjohan, we all have different interpretations about what should have happen in the ending (and in the show in general), but I also think that you should do what you ultimately think it’s right. The same thing goes for the piano theme. Personally it doesn’t resonates with me, but the song is meaningful to you, so I strongly think that you should keep it, as well as the other changes that you think that fits better the tone of the movie.

Thank you for that, my friend. Support is always appreciated, whether it be a good idea or a disagreement in good spirit.

And about the reason why Kenobi leaves Vader alive… In the end, it really is what it is. As Kaweebo said, it’s hard to think a way to edit that to make sense, even more because this is a conservative edit. I already thought about a way to make this work in a way thet differs from the tone of ROTS, but I don’t know if it would work and it would require a ton of editing, and too many changes would deviate from the intent of this edit. I commented about adding the Qui Gon voice saying that Anakin is the chosen one, but I also understand your point about the Qui Gon surprise at the end, that he can be shown to Ben because just now he overcome his struggles. It’s really subjective.

True. That’s the best way to say it, really - It is what it is. It’s done.

There is the possibility of going for the more radical route as suggested up above (responded to in this very post), but I’m unsure of how much I want to change things. Especially when the ending works for me and many others the way it is now.

To be sincere, in the end, I’m just happy to have a good edit of the show available to the public. You made changes that I found excellent to make this show be more like a true star wars product, like the re-escore, the star wars fades around the film and cutting the bad production-wise stuff, so I’m really satisfied with just that 😄

Once again, thank you.

Octorox said:

GLogus said:

Anjohan said:
I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

You’re gutting the whole series of its emotional climax! Too many faneditors get so caught up in their desire to preserve canon and continuity that they will sacrifice important thematic elements of a story. This whole series is about Obi-wan being haunted by his sense of guilt over Anakin and then finally being released from that guilt. It was a powerful moment of catharsis truly unrivaled by the rest of the series. An editor’s first priority should be helping a good story come to the fore. I also think a good fanedit works with the original vision of the media, not against it. You are trying to fix something that ostensibly breaks the OT, but I assure you, you cannot make the OT one bit better or worse with this edit; you can only improve the material that you’re working with.

I agree with this, and honestly I don’t see him not finishing Vader off as an issue. Sure, he recognizes that Anakin is gone, but recognizing it is one thing, and striking the killing blow himself is another. He couldn’t do it on Mustafar, and I think he still couldn’t do it here.

Exactly.

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Just remember, this is your edit … make it how YOU want. We can give advice, but in the end it is just advice.

I completely agree. Anjohan, we all have different interpretations about what should have happen in the ending (and in the show in general), but I also think that you should do what you ultimately think it’s right. The same thing goes for the piano theme. Personally it doesn’t resonates with me, but the song is meaningful to you, so I strongly think that you should keep it, as well as the other changes that you think that fits better the tone of the movie.

Thank you for that, my friend. Support is always appreciated, whether it be a good idea or a disagreement in good spirit.

And about the reason why Kenobi leaves Vader alive… In the end, it really is what it is. As Kaweebo said, it’s hard to think a way to edit that to make sense, even more because this is a conservative edit. I already thought about a way to make this work in a way thet differs from the tone of ROTS, but I don’t know if it would work and it would require a ton of editing, and too many changes would deviate from the intent of this edit. I commented about adding the Qui Gon voice saying that Anakin is the chosen one, but I also understand your point about the Qui Gon surprise at the end, that he can be shown to Ben because just now he overcome his struggles. It’s really subjective.

True. That’s the best way to say it, really - It is what it is. It’s done.

There is the possibility of going for the more radical route as suggested up above (responded to in this very post), but I’m unsure of how much I want to change things. Especially when the ending works for me and many others the way it is now.

To be sincere, in the end, I’m just happy to have a good edit of the show available to the public. You made changes that I found excellent to make this show be more like a true star wars product, like the re-escore, the star wars fades around the film and cutting the bad production-wise stuff, so I’m really satisfied with just that 😄

Once again, thank you.

leftshoe18 said:

I think getting rid of Ben’s “my friend really is dead” line is enough. Vader believing he’s “killed” the part of himself that is Anakin works just fine.

Agreed. And change already done. Thank you for your input.

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Anjohan said:

I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:

https://streamable.com/ngan0x

So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.

Pros:

-> Definitely a more interesting rescue, by far, imo.
-> We actually get Obi-Wan in some good, interesting action before the film’s second act - which is more of a thriller-y, slow-burn type of act (which i love, but some starting action might be a good thing).
-> Lovely atmosphere
-> Hajja is more useful
-> World-building

Cons:

-> Leia wears the same robe that Obi-Wan later buys (but I’ve changed the sweater’s color from green to brown).
-> Why does Obi-Wan change outfit? (They are almost similar, but perhaps he borrowed some from his fake jedi friend Hajja?
-> When they escape the facility later on, they come out a door from an establishing shot turning close-up. They wear lab suits. This, imo, is not an issue - as we can let the imagination assume that they followed an escape plan set up by Hajja, and changed clothes on their ways back out for security meassures.
-> Too fanedit-y?

Also, the Inquisitor Fortress never make an apperance in the film (not because of this change - this is just for fun).

Cheers, guys. I’ll respond to posts I haven’t responded to later/tomorrow. Brain is fried.

Thank you for your continuing support and lovely feedback. ❤️

Only change I’d suggest is trim Obi-Wan lightsabering the first stormtrooper in the dark room. The way he hits the trooper in the chest a few times makes it look more like he’s attacking with a baseball bat or something. If it’s not possible to trim it in a good way though I understand.

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Alternate Rescue

New “Transition” -> New soundmix and some world-building, with a smoother transition as suggested by @Acbagel.

https://streamable.com/2gn649

Tell me how you feel about it, and the potential of using this as the new rescue. (Obs! Watch the video and read the post up above to see the first half of the rescue if you’re confused).

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Definitely works better to show that Kenobi actually went somewhere to get into the water. Nice job!

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How do you transition back out of the water rescue? I am crazy curious here as I like the direction.

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leftshoe18 said:

Definitely works better to show that Kenobi actually went somewhere to get into the water. Nice job!

Great to hear. I’m going to prolong the first shot post-Haja scene with a tad second. I think it goes by a little bitt too quick. The rest of the pacing I quite enjoy, and happy to know that it works.

revel911 said:

How do you transition back out of the water rescue? I am crazy curious here as I like the direction.

I can upload a video when I soon get back home from the sun. I’ve also explained it in the post up above, in the “Cons” segment.

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NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

My god, this is really professional quality, seems exactly like the beginning of a movie. Well done!

Acbagel said:

Anjohan, in regards to the new rescue clips, the main thing that threw me off was the immediate transition to underwater, are there any other shots you could use to bridge the gap? Even something as simple as Obi walking down an alley or something that could make it seem like he is accessing the sewers

Agreed. I also think that this rescue sequence is much better than the rescue from episode 2 by a mile, and for me at least all the clothes changes is excusable, since it isn’t a big deal after all and it’s for the benefit of better scenes. And this could be nitpicking, but Leia is smiling in the shot right before the lights turn off (maybe another shot of her when she’s panicking could be more appropriate). Additionally, an youtuber fixed an “error” of the moment where Obi-Wan hides from the stormtroopers, maybe this could help:

Cheers, Sirius. I hope you liked the new transition posted up above. I forgot to quote your post the first time.

Also, Leia isn’t smiling? Only when Obi-Wan rescues her.

I am doing slight color correction of certain parts of the series, like Jabiin. Did NOT like the overly orange there. Also, adding more light to EP 6 duel is a good idea.

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Really like this new rescue. Well done. Only critique to the new transition, is the “call you in a bit” scene immediately takes me out of it and kills the new flow. I would just cut that. Don’t need it.

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https://streamable.com/r4libo

  • Prolonged Obi-Wan looking for the entrance with 1.5 seconds
    -> Reshaped some of the new soundmix
    -> Added a sewer pipe that Obi-Wan swims out of
    -> Added bubbles as if he just jumped down into the pipe of which he then proceeds out of
    -> Removed Haja’s “Call you in a bit” to see if it flows better - I have no preferance.

@jrs81 Just read your post before render, so I removed that just for you. I felt different about it - like it “sealed the deal” of him and Haja speaking, but perhaps more people agree with you. Tell me