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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut] — Page 10

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Anjohan said:

  • Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).

Why? A tracking device actually makes Vader letting Obiwan go even more likely.

I wonder if it’s easy to have it have Obi escape from Vader and remove the fire scene to only be tracked?

I am so excited to see better music in the movie version. The music is just so generic and that has surprised me (in a bad way.)

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revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

  • Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).

Why? A tracking device actually makes Vader letting Obiwan go even more likely.

I wonder if it’s easy to have it have Obi escape from Vader and remove the fire scene to only be tracked?

I am so excited to see better music in the movie version. The music is just so generic and that has surprised me (in a bad way.)

It does, but Lola being the tracker makes no sense in that case. And although we could remove Lola from EP 5, there is no way for the audience to understand how they tracked them, because:

A) No one talks about the tracker in ep5 (at least not without Reeva)
B) How did Reeva get the tracker on the ship? It could be implied that she did it when she follows Leia and Tala in the cave system in ep 3, but that also makes little to no sense
C) The hangar roof doors not opening plot line would have to be cut, which would reduce a lot of time, pace and plot
D) Tala’s screen time would be reduced to a mere 10 minutes, and her death would feel empty at best

  • and yes, the series is being rescored way more than I thought and would like, but there you go.

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What if it goes from episode 2 to the scene where Reva tells vader about the tracking? It would then be implied that the fixed droid (since broken in episode 2) was fixed by the empire?

My question is how do you then keep any of episode 3?

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Second, the tracker gripe has been used multiple times in star wars and they never showed those trackers.

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We don’t have to show or explain everything. Bad writing tends to explain TOO much. Remember that episode 3 was on an imperial controlled planet with the spaceports obviously under imperial control. Easy enough to track all ships if need be. The ONLY way to explain Vader letting Obi Wan go, is that they are tracking them.

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Well-made points. I’m going to edit accordingly to them as I commence further editing.

Any music suggestions are also welcome. The scene with Vader , the ship and then Reeva needs music. Tala’s death as well.

Battle of the heroes, duel of the fates are off the table mesa thinks.

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It would be worth trying duel of fates if there is a final Vader / Obi scene, otherwise agree on keeping off the table.

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Anjohan said:

Great points made by everyone. Been thinking about the changes I will need to make. Sitting her with a fever and the flu I suspect is corona again, I can’t bother to sit down and edit right now, but:

Things I will change:

  • Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.

  • Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).

  • Reeva won’t get back up and crawl to the holo-communicator-thingy, we’ll leave her wounded, with the camera panning down to it. The rest can happen off-screen (for what I suspect to be the season 2 change rumored that Disney has done).

  • Leia “The Engineer” reaching the wires and then fixing it will happen without a five minute gap. It looks like she’s struggling to move away wires for way too long.

  • Removing some of the prolonged shots in which Stormtroopers have way too much time on their hands to actually kill civilians but just… don’t.

And probably more.

Love everything about this, I’ve felt the show to be average at best, although I have enjoyed it for the most part, but I know there are a lot shots and pieces of dialog that if taken out could really elevate the show

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Anjohan said:

Great points made by everyone. Been thinking about the changes I will need to make. Sitting her with a fever and the flu I suspect is corona again, I can’t bother to sit down and edit right now, but:

Things I will change:

  • Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.

  • Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).

  • Reeva won’t get back up and crawl to the holo-communicator-thingy, we’ll leave her wounded, with the camera panning down to it. The rest can happen off-screen (for what I suspect to be the season 2 change rumored that Disney has done).

  • Leia “The Engineer” reaching the wires and then fixing it will happen without a five minute gap. It looks like she’s struggling to move away wires for way too long.

  • Removing some of the prolonged shots in which Stormtroopers have way too much time on their hands to actually kill civilians but just… don’t.

And probably more.

Love everything about this, I’ve felt the show to be average at best, although I have enjoyed it for the most part, but I know there are a lot shots and pieces of dialog that if taken out could really elevate the show

I am praying it lands well, because easily a C show that can turn into an A movie.

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If Reeva isn’t in episode 6, her “waking up” to the communicator and Bail message may work as an after credits scene to preserve her character for those who wish to enjoy the 2nd season or Reeva show.

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jrs81 said:

If Reeva isn’t in episode 6, her “waking up” to the communicator and Bail message may work as an after credits scene to preserve her character for those who wish to enjoy the 2nd season or Reeva show.

Interesting idea. Could definitely see doing that.

revel911 said:

headtaker18 said:

Anjohan said:

Great points made by everyone. Been thinking about the changes I will need to make. Sitting her with a fever and the flu I suspect is corona again, I can’t bother to sit down and edit right now, but:

Things I will change:

  • Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.

  • Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).

  • Reeva won’t get back up and crawl to the holo-communicator-thingy, we’ll leave her wounded, with the camera panning down to it. The rest can happen off-screen (for what I suspect to be the season 2 change rumored that Disney has done).

  • Leia “The Engineer” reaching the wires and then fixing it will happen without a five minute gap. It looks like she’s struggling to move away wires for way too long.

  • Removing some of the prolonged shots in which Stormtroopers have way too much time on their hands to actually kill civilians but just… don’t.

And probably more.

Love everything about this, I’ve felt the show to be average at best, although I have enjoyed it for the most part, but I know there are a lot shots and pieces of dialog that if taken out could really elevate the show

I am praying it lands well, because easily a C show that can turn into an A movie.

Agreed. I think when the worst is out, and excusing some bad CGI, it will go well side-by-side with the prequels and rogue one.

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quickly edited end credit scene with Reva.

I reversed the first shot and center channel audio so it opens on the communicator and pushes in to her. Also trimmed her holding the communicator where it looked like she was just casually lying there without a stab wound.

https://vimeo.com/721162988

A little more care, and I think this could really work.

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I dunno what the Ep 6 will be about, but I think that if it’s bad the story can actually end on the 5th episode. Reva dies, Obi escapes, the story could kinda end here. If all 5 episodes are wisely trimmed it can still work as a nice coherent story.

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szopman said:

I dunno what the Ep 6 will be about, but I think that if it’s bad the story can actually end on the 5th episode. Reva dies, Obi escapes, the story could kinda end here. If all 5 episodes are wisely trimmed it can still work as a nice coherent story.

I agree. I have a 2 hour 2 min edit currently from eps 1-5 and it feels like a full movie. If we never got another episode, I would be happy with it.

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Yeah it all depends on what happens in episode 6. Right now it’s looking like there won’t even be another Obi Wan/Vader duel like everyone has been saying. There still might be though.

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Anjohan said:

Part IV has to be cut. Episode 5 was decent enough. Gotta trim stuff for sure. A lot of things looked like a B movie, and there were some deliveries that were off.

The flashback with Anakin will probably be included when he’s in the Bacta Tank. I’ll also have to take a look at deepfaking his face. Or perhaps someone on YouTube will do it for me/for us.

This was episode 5, and the narrative overall has been very underwhelming thus far. Although the episode on its own was okay, the pay-off for FOUR episodes of literally two plot lines is just… pathetic?

I find a pretty decent deepfake of Hayden’s face on youtube. Of course there are a ton of deepfakes of it already, and possibly can surface more with a better quality, but this is a good start:

https://youtu.be/TxIHXjCC91M

Another one made adjustments to the voices of Ewan and Hayden, and although I don’t think that it solves the problem of their tone completely, it’s something to think of too:

https://youtu.be/GbLsh4Bsr2E

And I agree with Axios about the color grading. Hayden looks a bit pale compared to his younger-self in the flashback. This youtuber changed the tone of the color in the scene, and for me it’s really better in comparison to the actual scene:

https://youtu.be/LgNhllAMXto

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Brilliant resources, Sirius. Thank you. 😉

If episode 6 is as dull and anti-climactic as I’m starting to fear, episode 5 might be a fitting (although underwhelming) ending.

If episode 6 only contain about ten-twenty minutes of worthy content, there might be room for episode 4 in the edit after all.

As stated earlier, with a trimmed episode 4, the edit runs at a 1 hour and 50 minutes. I expect 20 minutes from episode 5, and 20-25 from episode 6. That would run well with a 2 and a half hour cut.

However! I would have to review it with all the pieces out together, and feel the pace of the whole thing. As of right now, episode 1 and 4 are the two most visually stunning episodes, and episode 3 and 4 the two episodes with the most character growth. Character growth (which is the emotion component) together with the pacing (which is the driving component) and how well those two complement each other will be the deciding factor for how this edit develops after episode 3, and definitely how the ending of the film finds itself resolved.

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Remember, original Star Wars was only 2 hours, so no ep 4 and 6 would still make plenty of a movie.

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revel911 said:

Remember, original Star Wars was only 2 hours, so no ep 4 and 6 would still make plenty of a movie.

Sure, but there are certain problems with omitting Episode 4.

  1. Obi-Wan goes from being bad and unfocused with the force, bad with the saber and a shadow of his former self, to (skip ep 4) suddenly doing all very well again - using both the force and his saber with ease in Ep 5. This creates no pay off to his broken character arc that he starts out with, and the pay off is therefore little to none.
  2. Tala becomes a rather short appearance of a character, and her death - for a “movie goer” not having watched the series - will probably be very underwhelming and emotionless. Ep 4 is where we really see her shine, and she has great chemistry with both Leia and Obi-Wan.
  3. We are losing the arguably coolest location and CGI of the series thus far (with decent competition from ep2) imo.
  4. And again, just have to state this, Obi-Wan’s character growth loses a lot of meat.

Episode 4 is actually a pay off to Obi-Wan’s entire character arc, as it is the episode where he overcomes his fear, shock and doubts to save something more important than himself - and therefore, also overcome his fear of what Anakin has become because of his new meaning and purpose.

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Maybe just me, I hated everything about episode 4 and would rather not watch a second of it every again.

As to Obiwan, you can easily have him building confidence post bacta tank.

As to Tala, you can cut most of her out which solved that.

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For me, I hate that Obi Wan was that far gone to begin with. Buried his lightsabers to avoid detection, and a bit rusty, but that shot of him barely able to move that tool on on the ship was too much. My edit doesn’t make him quite as pathetic. Facing full powered Vader when you are rusty would be frightening under any circumstance. In my mind he doesn’t need too much to bring him back.

Agree with Revel, never want to see episode 4 again other than bacta scene and Leia taking his hand.

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I happen to like episode 4 myself. Is some of it a bit ridiculous? Sure. But a little bit of editing can do wonders.

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Strong opinions.

And of course things can be edited around, but I find Obi-Wan to be a more interesting character with all this baggage (regardless of copy-paste Luke TLJ storyline and some trimmed moments from ep 1 with Organa) than someone who goes straight back to Badass after meeting Vader and two minutes in a bacta tank. In fact, even though he starts out as TLJ Luke, his character arc is way more fitting to the losses he has endured and his growth in the series far more rewarding than TLJ Luke ever came near to. And with that in mind, diminishing the importance of a redemption arc done well because of the failures of another film should NOT make Obi-Wan - as it’s own thing - sacrifice a working series component because of the mirrored arc with a character arc that did absolutely and utterly NOT work. And I’d debate anyone that I’d rather watch episode 4 WITH the cringe ten times unpaid than watching The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker one time with payment.

Either way, this debate was good to have. The episode has its meaning beyond just filler imo and that was a point that had to be made. I have no idea if the episode will have its place when the edit is said and done as the current main timeline is only up to ep 3 until further editing commences (my flu fkn calms down) and a separate cut was made up to ep 4 with good, fatty trims (which hell, might become a separate cut for ep 4 admirers) so who knows.

The main priorities now is to make the ep 5 content bridge well in tone and pace of the rest of the project, and improve the series’s score. I don’t think I’ve heard a good soundtrack since the ten seconds of the Ep 3 planet introduction, and what I thought would be one of the easiest fanedis I’ve done in years is actually turning out to be another beast entirely because of this and the rollercoaster of good and bad storylines and the execution therein.

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Anjohan said:

  • Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.

That is a great idea! the perfect fix. kinda stunned that I didnt think of that lol. Im really afraid that the end will be sequel bait, and im even more afraid that Reva will be getting her own show…

This is the way.

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Axios said:

Anjohan said:

  • Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.

That is a great idea! the perfect fix. kinda stunned that I didnt think of that lol. Im really afraid that the end will be sequel bait, and im even more afraid that Reva will be getting her own show…

Cheers.

Oh my, don’t traumatize me.

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