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You're all complaining about George Lucas adding CGI effects to the Star Wars Trilogy, right? But did you ever stop to think about this:

If you complain about classic movies being tampered with, how come you don't complain about classic games being tampered with? Because they are being tampered with...

Have you ever played the two PC games DOOM and QUAKE? Both games revolutionized the gaming industry in their own way. But they got so old people moved on to other games. But after the release of their source codes, people began to tinker with them so they can compete with today's hits, like Star Wars to the Matrix. Now both games have 3D models, hi-res textures, mp3 music, and other dandy crap that appeals to gamers today.

Here's a few pics for example:

Doom
http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/doom.gif http://risen3d.newdoom.com/screenshot4.jpg

Quake
http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/quake.gif http://www.icculus.org/twilight/darkplaces/dprt_hardhall.jpg

As with Star Wars, they both look better than the original version, right? So why complain?

Now I am with you guys because Lucas does need to re-release the original version of his trilogy. We don't need to worry about DOOM and QUAKE though, because id re-releases them all the time. And they even let fans modify the game themselves, unlike Lucasfilm being the only one who can legally modify the films.

But if you wanna whine about movies and games, be my guest.


BTW, you can download the DOOM and QUAKE SEs here and here.
You need the original game's data files for it to run, so if you don't have the game, get the shareware versions.
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I know. Interesting point. Super Mario got that treatment for 1993 on the SNES with the so called "All Stars" version and with later Game boy releases. I have played the original Doom. It was a masterpiece but famous and outstanding games that we know in years from now will be remade. I think it would be funny if they remade games like Grand theft Auto which I would expect in another 30 years. It's all about the money these days...
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Some games, however, may be in need of this, like GTA that kev mentioned (only GTA3). It has quite a few glitches and such that could be fixed.
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The irony is the Star Wars movies are becoming like computer software. And the new versions have bugs! What are we up to now, Trilogy 3.0?
Doom will be around so long as someone keeps porting it over to whatever comes along. You can play the original on an Ipod now!
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Hmm...interesting thought.

One difference is that the original games are still readily available, often included as 'bonus' content on game discs.

Another difference is that the technology of video games is ever evolving - our expectations of games and the experience has changed every month.

With cinema, the tool and the product have essentially stayed the same for decades. I think people are a bit more reticent to accept change in cinema than they are with video games. The format of video games changes daily, and with film, it's stayed the same.

But good post.
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I've always maintained that I want the O-OT, with or without updated effects. I honestly don't mind. In fact, I think I would prefer the O-OT with updated effects - JUST SO LONG AS THE STORY AND CHARACTERS REMAIN THE SAME.
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I think the difference is that these games are available. Yes, there are updates, but there are also the originals. And, for a some of the "remakes", its the exact same game, but with new graphics. If all Lucas did was fix some of the bad mattes, transparent cockpits of the snowspeeders, etc, I would be fine with it. But the originals are effectively buried. Its a different movie now. The only "offical" versions available now is the 2004 DVD versions. They've dumped the original trilogy, and even the '97 special edition. I would perfer that Lucas would stop "updating" it. But I could live with almost any changes Lucas wants to dream up if he makes the originals available too. So I'm not sure its really comparable. But the good news is that there are several people who have perserved the originals to DVD.
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A few years back, I seem to remember an interview where Rick McCallum said that eventually the theatrical cuts, 1997 cuts, as well as the new versions would be available on DVD, but of course, that wasn't the case.
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If you want to play the original DOOM, you still can play it. I want to watch the O-OT. Where's the DVD for that? Oh yeah, right.
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One big difference is that while a video game can be considered entertainment, or even art, it's art that you control. There are multiple different scenarios even within an original version of a game.

You can't control a film. It's on video or DVD however its presented and that's it. [not getting into fan editing and that phenomenon] An original game might be rereleased, or changed, or updated, which could be either cool or annoying, depending on how much you like the original, or if you have nostalgia for it, or whatever. But there still are differences within said original. It doesn't play out the same way every time, like a movie does, so altering a film is kind of a different thing.
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Yeah but the new graphics of the games did not change the storylines.

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You know, I've noticed that with remakes of a very simple game, Tetris, the game mechanics are always slightly off the early Gameboy version.

Many versions of Tetris have a certain minor new gameplay element going. Let's call it "contact-slide." Although, graphically, a piece may connect with a piece bellow it, you can still slide it left and right along the pieces its sitting on.

In the gameboy version of Tetris a touch is a lock. You have to position the piece right before it touches every time. If I want to really play Tetris, I have to get the gameboy version out, so I can have a challenge. Any version with contact-slide I can play pretty much indefinetly.

So what am I saying? Well, what I'm saying is... that's Tetris. An extremely simple game with relatively simple code. Even there there can be grating differences in execution.

It's fine to make newer, shinier versions of whatever... but odds are you're going to lose something. Odds are even better that you're going to lose a lot -- even if you gain a lot at the same time. Not having access to the original whatever you fell in love with can be extremely annoying.
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I think that all video games should be re-released in their original forms unaltered so that they can be played on whatever current technology is around at the time.

I sure wish I could get the Dooms, Star Wars: Dark Forces and Wolfenstein 3D to play correctly on Windows 2000/XP.....

Movies, games, TV shows, cartoons and animation, books, comic books....EVERYTHING that is considered art should be released in its original form. There's no reason to screw around with any of it. If someone does mess with it....then it's okay only if the original is available also.

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Agreed. Can anyone think of other things that have been modified without the originals being released? I can think of another video game. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Many of the games in the series have had minor text changes in a re-release because it was originally mistranslated. This is not the case with oot as there are two differences between the gold and grey n64 cartridges. The music in the Fire Temple had a Muslim chant that was replaced with something generic. Ganondorf spits out green blood instead of red after the first battle with him. In the Master Quest and Collector's Eddition re-releases for the gamecube, the Gerudo symbol was changed from the Muslim crescent to some really lame clover symbol. That really annoyed me. I've heard the blood was changed to avoid a Teen rating and the other two were because it offended the Muslim community. Does anyone have any official reports that talked about this?

Like the official Star Wars dvd's, the gamecube re-release has such a higher resolution allowing for much greater clarity. I'm wondering if it would be possible through either computer emulation or hardware tweaking to produce a better resolution for n64 games beyond what the expansion pak and s-video cable can do.

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