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JasonN's PT FanEdits (Attack of the Federation, Twilight of the Republic, & The Black Knight Rises) (Released) ** Revised V3 Cuts In The Works — Page 3

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JasonN said:

The DVD version of SW: Attack of the Federation is complete, I'm back working on the last two Prequel films.

This is a test edit for EP3, where Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine are captured by the rayshields, but I've removed R2-D2 from the scene. I was really bothered by how Lucas treated R2-D2 as a "clown" in the movie's beginning, as well as the overusage of R2's "scream" sound effect (also that stupid "Eh-Oh!"... god damn it, Lucas, you made R2-D2 sound like a damn Teletubbie...):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FeQSsHzSGQ

 

I left a comment on this one for ya!

Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?

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JediChad said:

I'd love to see a copy of Attack of the Federation if any kind soul out there wouldn't mind helping a fellow out?

 

 I haven't released it yet - I want to finish all 3 Prequels first so that I can release them all together.

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I'm now 100% complete with The Black Knight Rises and just need to finish its DVD menus and faneditor's scene commentary video - then it's on to finishing Twilight of the Republic (aka EP2).

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And now I'm back on the fence as to whether or not Yoda should confront Dooku in a Force duel at the end of Twlight of the Republic (EP2).

On one hand, part of me doesn't want to see Yoda at all in the climax because the final battle should kinda belong to Obi-Wan and Anakin, whom both lose out to the more experienced Dooku (who then escapes the planet) and I really, utterly HATE the Yoda/Dooku lightsaber duel.

On the other hand, it's also the only real time in these Prequel edits where we could see a glimpse of how powerful Yoda is with the Force (since the only action scene with Yoda in Black Knight Rises is now when he defends himself against the clone troopers).

 

This is just a quick rough test of what my version of the Dooku/Yoda "Force duel" would look like (and if I do end up including this version into the fanedit, Dooku's lightsaber would be rotoscoped out of his hand for the last few scenes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSsnxnQiC-4

For a contrast, here is my other version of the final scene where Yoda doesn't fight Dooku at all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3drH6KQw-c

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There are a number of problems with this sequence as it stands and in both of your edits.

Some people argue that Force Lightning should be kept for Palpatine alone as a sign of his unique mastery of the dark side.

That aside if he can use that power against Yoda, why doesn't he use it against Obi-Wan or Anakin in ROTS (or indeed earlier here).

In your removing of the Yoda it begs the question why leave Obi-Wan and Anakin alive?

One solution is remove the force lightning and have Dooku throw Anakin against the wall with a Force push (briefly knocking him out as he does with Obi-Wan in ROTS).

Then keep Yoda in but remove the Force lightning elements so he throws objects at Yoda (Vader and Maul can do this so it makes sense that Dooku can) and finishes with trying to drop the column on Obi-Wan and Anakin and Dooku uses the distraction to escape.

That way Dooku's powers are consistent in both films (and it also leaves Force Lightning as a special power for Palpatine).

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Bingowings said:

 In your removing of the Yoda it begs the question why leave Obi-Wan and Anakin alive?

Because Dooku is still a Jedi in these edits (need to rotoscope his lightsaber into a different color in that last preview) and he would not kill other Jedis without serious cause (he just wants to escape the planet, so wounding Obi-Wan and Anakin enough to not no longer pose a threat is enough for him)

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JasonN said:
Bingowings said:

 In your removing of the Yoda it begs the question why leave Obi-Wan and Anakin alive?

Because Dooku is still a Jedi in these edits (need to rotoscope his lightsaber into a different color in that last preview) and he would not kill other Jedis without serious cause (he just wants to escape the planet, so wounding Obi-Wan and Anakin enough to not no longer pose a threat is enough for him)

Sorry, leaping between threads can cause confusion as to the mission statement of all these various edits.

My observations still stand though.

I know Jedi have used Force Lightning in the games and EU but we have never seen them do it in the actual films.

If he is using the Force for defence it makes more sense that he would try to knock Anakin out with a Force push. He is rather sadistic in his injuring of Obi-Wan (perhaps a slight swapping around of sabre stokes and removing a few close ups of Dooku could create the impression that those injuries as caused by him trying to limit damage rather than maximise pain).

 

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I never liked Dooku having the ability to shoot lightning from his fingers. It makes it not seem so special and powerful when the Emperor does it.

 

 

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So, it turns out that I'm not as done with my EP1 edit as I thought.

In watching the edit last night, I noticed a scene which somehow just seemed "off", but I couldn't figure out why that was - it was the scene after the Pod Race where Qui-Gon brings the parts back to the ship, he says he's going back for Anakin, and Obi-Wan makes the comment of "picking up another pathetic lifeform". It wasn't until I closely examined the scene that I figured out what was wrong: Lucas and his editors flipped the footage horizontally so that the left side becomes the right side (or the right side becomes the left side) and LEFT IT IN THE FINAL FILM!

You can see this in the affected scenes in:
- the sun/lighting is facing the wrong direction
- Obi-Wan's "apprentice braid" is on the left side when it should be on the right side
- Qui-Gon's pack is on the right side when it should be on the left
- the pilot/attendent enters from the left side of the screen when he should have entered from the right side

So I've now "re-flipped" the shots back to the correct version and you can now see how the scene was intended to be in my finished fanedit. :) 


To give a visual example of what I'm talking about, here's a preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WORC8cpvr3o

Scene 1 is the original version as seen in the theatrical and DVD version of SW: Episode 1.
Scene 2 is the re-flipped, corrected version that appears in my fanedit.

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JasonN said:

So, it turns out that I'm not as done with my EP1 edit as I thought.

In watching the edit last night, I noticed a scene which somehow just seemed "off", but I couldn't figure out why that was - it was the scene after the Pod Race where Qui-Gon brings the parts back to the ship, he says he's going back for Anakin, and Obi-Wan makes the comment of "picking up another pathetic lifeform". It wasn't until I closely examined the scene that I figured out what was wrong: Lucas and his editors flipped the footage horizontally so that the left side becomes the right side (or the right side becomes the left side) and LEFT IT IN THE FINAL FILM!

You can see this in the affected scenes in:
- the sun/lighting is facing the wrong direction
- Obi-Wan's "apprentice braid" is on the left side when it should be on the right side
- Qui-Gon's pack is on the right side when it should be on the left
- the pilot/attendent enters from the left side of the screen when he should have entered from the right side

So I've now "re-flipped" the shots back to the correct version and you can now see how the scene was intended to be in my finished fanedit. :)


To give a visual example of what I'm talking about, here's a preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WORC8cpvr3o

Scene 1 is the original version as seen in the theatrical and DVD version of SW: Episode 1.
Scene 2 is the re-flipped, corrected version that appears in my fanedit.

You can see why it was flipped though because Obi-Wan appears to be approaching Qui-Gon from one side but talks to him from another which is even more visually jarring (the Obi-Wan head shots are obviously from a different take and didn't match up well).

It might actually look better if you trimmed Obi-Wan looking up at Qui-Gon so you don't see his position relative to his master.

The other option is to just move the braid around but the lighting would still be out.

 

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JasonN, I'm really excited about this edit. Can't wait to see it finished. I feel like you're doing some tremendous work here.

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Had to fix a scene transition in EP3, so I took the time to look over the edit again in case there were any other major/minor changes that I wanted to do before I call the fanedit "truly completed". And there is one element at the end of the film that I want to change:

I'm going to try and remove the Death Star construction from the final Vader/Emperor scenes. ;)

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What will be there instead?  I would suppose a shot of Coruscant would work.

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guitarfan01 said:

What will be there instead?  I would suppose a shot of Coruscant would work.

 

 Most likely it'll be Coruscant.

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About halfway done on compositing the Death Star out of the final shots of EP3 - the masking on Vader needs to be further refined and I need to remove the DS out of the two opening shots (where the deck officers on the lower level of the command bridge), but I think it's turning out rather well:

Vader-Emperor-Coruscant

 

Also, for my Twilight of the Republic edit (EP2) I've decided to stick to my original instincts on Yoda, so I WILL REMOVE Yoda from the final duel at the end of the film (so now it's just a lightsaber duel between Dooku and Obi-Wan/Anakin).

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that looks really nice, i look forward to seeing these!

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Well id prefer the planet to be bit bigger and less centered. Death worked because it wasnt clear so you had to focus on it.

 

-Angel

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Though it might be difficult to do justice to the idea I still think shipyards building Star Destroyers would be better (excuse as always the crudity of these mockups):

Ship Yard 1

Ship Yard 2

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JasonN, I like what you've got. Stick to your guns on this one and release this puppy.

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vaderios said:

Well id prefer the planet to be bit bigger and less centered. Death worked because it wasnt clear so you had to focus on it.

In my view, the Death Star only "worked" because seeing it at the end of EP3 was such a mindbendingly "HUH??!" moment that your brain had to mentally shut down in order to comprehend the logic behind it being there:

"So let me get this straight, Mr. Lucas... it takes the Empire 17-18 years in order to complete the first Death Star... yet it only takes them 2-3 years to rebuild it after Luke Skywalker destroys it... yeah George, that's complete bullsh*t."

 

Bingowings said:

Though it might be difficult to do justice to the idea I still think shipyards building Star Destroyers would be better (excuse as always the crudity of these mockups):

Ship Yard 1

Ship Yard 2

Personally, I think the planet Coruscant works a lot better visually than using SDs construction sites - the DS "worked" in the original scene (at least, from a visual composition standpoint) because it was the center of attention (literally, since it was in the center of the scene) and it's shape was smoother and more organic than the sharp/mechanical shapes of the Star Destroyer's interior (if the space background featured SDs being built in space like the examples pics you posted, everything in the scene starts to become too similar in shape and is visually cluttered)