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James Cameron uses DVNR on Aliens Blu Ray transfer. — Page 5

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The hangar matte, the hole in the floor that reveals Lance Henricksen's body when he rescues Newt etc.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Anyone have any comparison screenshots?

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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I have been reading over at Blu-ray forum that this set looks really, really good, I can't wait to get this next week.

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msycamore said:

The hangar matte, the hole in the floor that reveals Lance Henricksen's body when he rescues Newt etc.

That sucks.  Damn it, Jim ...

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Yep, can confirm

There are a few digital tweaks in the BR disc, such as the Bishop hole and a few things touched up

Moth3r said: No, there is no video embedding option in this forum software (thank god!)

 

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I could swear he just blasted George for this. Didn't he?

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There is a real easy fix guys, just don't buy the damn set.

Star Wars, American Grafitti, THX 1138, Superman, The Hobbit, Underworld, Alien, is there any movie that was done right for you guys?

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dark_jedi said:

... is there any movie that was done right for you guys?

Yeah, there was, take Blade Runner for example.

And James Cameron adding CG to Aliens is very very sad news, lucky for us, unlike STAR WARS there is an HD version of the original Aliens so it is indeed an easy fix...

 

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CompMovieGuy said:

dark_jedi said:

There is a real easy fix guys, just don't buy the damn set.

Star Wars, American Grafitti, THX 1138, Superman, The Hobbit, Underworld, Alien, is there any movie that was done right for you guys?

Pot calling kettle black?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Return-of-The-Living-Dead-Original-audio-project/topic/11966/

You know but I still like what is on the Blu as well, now I have an option, but here is one for you, you are ignoring me for a reason, so fuck off!, how does that grab you? I am not a hater like some of you.

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Any pictures to confirm these alterations?

Your brain just makes s**t up!

A fate worse than death? Having your head digitally replaced with that of Hayden Christensen!

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So that's it? The hole? That's no worse than what happened to Raiders with the reflection, I think.

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It could be worse.  This isn't nearly as bad as doing an all-out Lucas on things, IMO, but it is annoying.

Any word as to whether this will be confined to the extended cut, or will it be in both versions?

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The screenshot in the Blu-ray.com thread looks fine.  I don't care if Cameron removed the hole in the floor: it's a minor fix.  I never noticed it when I first saw the film, but after it was pointed out I noticed it every time.   If the other changes are like this, they are fine by me.

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Chewtobacca said:


The screenshot in the Blu-ray.com thread looks fine.  I don't care if Cameron removed the hole in the floor: it's a minor fix.  I never noticed it when I first saw the film, but after it was pointed out I noticed it every time.   If the other changes are like this, they are fine by me.
I agree completely. Like the Raider's reflection, its something that SHOULD have been fixed originally. I he's adding more aliens who do backflips, I'll have a problem.

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I'm not worried.  This is on the same level as all the minor bits n pieces Ady fixed in Revisited that 99% of us knew were there but ignored anyway.

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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I'm sure this is gonna be a great set and I agree that my earlier statement about Cameron was a little melodramatic but it still annoys me that filmmakers feel they have to do these alterations even if they are minor, are they embarrassed? or is it just because they can do it? If we don't care about these minor tweaks, what will then the next release change? I think this will become a very common practice, the worst thing is when these minor tweaks aren't known when people purchase the film they love, that's the reason, dark_jedi I mentioned it in this thread, not to bitch about it. I doubt these kind of digital tweaks are mentioned on the blu-ray cases of The Evil Dead or Aliens... I wish I didn't care about these things but I do...

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Yeah, I agree that this is pretty "harmless", and I can see why filmmakers would want to do it because it does enhance the film in a way that is very respectful of its integrity. But ultimately, the film is what it is, it's such a small change and if its so "inconsequential" to the big picture then why bother in the first place? Sometimes its these little things that are the most damaging to a films historical integrity, because obviously most of the film is fine, that's why it's a great film, if there were flaws all over the place it wouldn't be great in the first place, but its these sort of little things that illustrate the character of the film. Normally, I don't care, but as this is supposed to be "definitive" and not some "special edition" or acknowledged altered version you start down a path where people think this is how the film was and you begin to have the real original be in danger of being lost, at least in a high quality version.

I know historical integrity is not the most important quality to these releases, and the "changes" in grain structure and this one tweak aren't too damaging to the films integrity, but it is a shame that there is a perceived need to do this in the first place. The fact that some people in the linked thread couldn't tell the "blooper" in the first place is telling--its not something you notice unless you re-watch and re-study the film. And when you do that, you notice tons of flaws and goofs, so its sort of a pointless endeavour. I realize this one is the most major of them all though, but it still strikes me as a bit unnecessary, especially considering what Cameron had previous said about his films being what they were. But all told, I suppose it could be worse, I'm not going to harp on Cameron too much for this, because to be honest these two alterations for me are a preferred viewing experience and the original versions have basically been catalogued and available in fairly high quality. It's still all just a little superfluous though.

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Chewtobacca said:

Screenshots of Aliens on BD and DVD:

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/temp/temp2303.jpg

Jeebsus, after seeing these comparison shots of how dramatically the blu-ray version of ALIENS has been colour-tampered now, any DVNR quibbles are the least of my worries...

It's as dramatic a revision as was done to ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, and others, and all for the worse as far as I'm concerned.  Some may like this new colouration of older movies, but these titles have now taken on the overly-stylised colouration that is evident in too many modern movies nowadays, for my tastes...and personally, this fad is spoiling many a release for me.

I had really looked forward to this whole high-definition re-release promise for many of my old favourites, but hadn't realised that they would all end up with such a drastic new 're-tint', compared to their previous versions...  That effect was fine for the likes of the MATRIX movies, but this is too much now!  :(

Anyway, as the 'Alien Appendix #7:The ALIEN SAGA Archive' thread on the 'Other Preservations and Fan Projects' forum still seems to be frozen up at Jonno's recent post, I'd just like to flag up this little anomaly here instead -  In his recent review of the ALIEN ANTHOLOGY blu-ray set, Bill Hunt reckons that the 'Theatrical' version of ALIEN has the original colour timing of Brett's "Here Jonesy..." scene -  http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviewshd/bdreviews102210.html

Eh?  What's going on?  Is it true that this particular scene's colour has been restored?  And if so, I sure wish the whole 'Theatrical' blu-ray release could been in it's original non-'Director's Cut' colouring...

 

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Seriously?  The Alien and Aliens color timing differences are nowhere near as dramatic as with Blade Runner, particularly the Final Cut.

I honestly don't get why color timing is such a huge issue to so many people.  Sure, when it's as obviously cocked up and inconsistent as the 2004 Star Wars DVDs, it IS a huge issue, but something like this isn't even remotely the same thing.

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Yeah, actually from looking at it, I'd say the colours were f*cked on the DVD and are corrected on BD. Just look at the skin tones on the DVD, they all look like they just came out of a really hot bath...

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Yeah, its a mistake to presume the older DVDs are correct. Often, they are not. People tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to anything that is different from a previous release without stopping to wonder if the previous release was correct in the first place.

That's not to say the BD is necessarily 100% perfect but it probably is closer in a lot of ways than the DVD.

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So who is picking this up tomorrow? I am for sure along with Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 2, and my Collector's Edition Star Wars The Force Unleashed II.

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I'm waiting for the eventual individual release of Alien and Aliens, just like I did with the Quad set.