Aliens was grainy in the dark scenes but i think that is part of the movie, at least he is not inserting Cgi aliens and singing teletubbies. But the link to the original prints will be servered after the new work on the master.
I's really one of my favorite movies, i guess i will transfer some of it after my Star wars projects are done. I got a massive Japan LD box with obi and a big leaflet that describes the entire movie production (in Japanese tho)
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ChainsawAsh said:
For an example of how not to do it, look at the difference between the two releases of Predator on Blu-Ray. Now that's excessive DNR.
While I do agree that the 2nd release was scrubbed entirely too much, there were flaws with the first one
1st release: MPEG2 video, same transfer used for (i believe) all the DVD releases, a very old transfer, Id say around 10 years old, definitely not perfect, and Id say not even D-VHS quality (even tho its 1080P)
2nd release: AVC, brand new transfer, all the bells and whistle filters used on this one.....now if they had done this transfer without them filters, Id say it be perfect
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No, the first wasn't a great transfer, all I'm saying is that the level of DNR applied to the second transfer in comparison to the first is just horrifying.
Now THAT is excessive DNR. I don't care how bad the first transfer is, it's still better than the second.
I heard rumors of a new terminator release. The second will have noise reduction applied and probably the gate weave issue fixed.
I really think the first edition will end up being preferable. Like the Predator.
Terminator 2's second release had better color definition and not as dark but too much dvnr. Never a perfect release.
It is even more pathetic when you realize a lot of the problems on the American release like too much dvnr were not there on overseas releases.
The japan release for instance looked better. Not too sure about the euro release.
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Jesus, Arnold over there looks like he had plastic surgery what with being so shiny... DVR is so ridiculous sometimes.
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The old Predator release looks like film. The second looks like a video with dvnr applied to it. No wonder the out of print release is selling on ebay for a good chunk of money.
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skyjedi2005 said:
It is even more pathetic when you realize a lot of the problems on the American release like too much dvnr were not there on overseas releases.
The japan release for instance looked better. Not too sure about the euro release.
Another reason I think people need to watch, like if this is important to them, the releases in different regions.
Wait to buy and for reviews between the regions because Im willing to bet that the US/EUR/UK/AUS/JPN releases of these Alien movies will be different
Call it a feeling
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I still honestly doubt that the Alien set will look any different in any other region.
The only Blu-Ray I can recall having this issue was Pan's Labyrinth. The US Blu-Ray looks like fucking garbage, while the European Blu-Ray looks absolutely stunningly beautiful.
Maybe this is the "cropping" you guys are talking about and just not describing it correctly but I also noticed there's a shift in the aspect ratio between the D and BD shots, but not literally a width/height difference. Look at the shapes of things when you shift from one cap to the other. The D-Theater shot is squeezed a bit left/right (or the BD is stretched, depending which you think is correct), so they're also doing something to the image proportions.
The BD is also zoomed out a little compared to the D-theater. Look at the shot of the sleeping chambers. In the BD, you can see the very top of the clear cover on Parker's bed. On the D-Theater, it's cut off. Very minor, but it's there.
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If you look closely at the left and right of the frame, you'll notice that the D-Theater has a little bit more visual information on either side. And if you look at the top and bottom, the Blu-Ray has a little bit more visual information there, too (but not as much as the D-Theater has on the sides).
skyjedi2005 said: Terminator 2's second release had better color definition and not as dark but too much dvnr. Never a perfect release.
It is even more pathetic when you realize a lot of the problems on the American release like too much dvnr were not there on overseas releases.
The japan release for instance looked better. Not too sure about the euro release.
Yes; the Japanese Geneon release looks great. I too think I will probably end up sticking with my first Terminator Blu-ray, just as I did with Predator.
Ziz said:
Maybe this is the "cropping" you guys are talking about and just not describing it correctly but I also noticed there's a shift in the aspect ratio between the D and BD shots, but not literally a width/height difference. Look at the shapes of things when you shift from one cap to the other. The D-Theater shot is squeezed a bit left/right (or the BD is stretched, depending which you think is correct), so they're also doing something to the image proportions.
I think that is because the D-theater is intended for overscan/nominal analogue blanking, i.e. it is meant to be overscanned/stretched horizontally a little on playback. This is not the cropping issue though.
Screenshots of Aliens on BD and DVD:
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/headlines/temp/temp2303.jpg
What would be the Photoshop/still image equivalent of DVNR? I was trying to explain the effects of DVNR to someone over the weekend but even with stills from BD review sites it was hard for them to tell the difference. If I could take a picture and say "It's like applying ____________ in PS", then it might be a little easier to see the difference and how DVNR works.
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"Gaussian Blur", then "Sharpen" might replicate it.Ziz said:
What would be the Photoshop/still image equivalent of DVNR? I was trying to explain the effects of DVNR to someone over the weekend but even with stills from BD review sites it was hard for them to tell the difference. If I could take a picture and say "It's like applying ____________ in PS", then it might be a little easier to see the difference and how DVNR works.
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Yeah, it's basically blurring the image, and then sharpening the blurred version.
Show your friends images from the two "Predator" Blu-Rays. That's one of the best, most noticeable examples I've come across. And it helps that you have two HD sources to compare, not one SD and one HD.
Yeah, but the old Predator Blu-Ray is pretty bad too, so when I showed it to my dad, he liked the new version better. In the particular image you posted above, Chainsawash, there actually is no extra detail in the old version image, just a lot of extra grain. Make no mistake, I'd take the old version over the new "wax figurines museum" one anytime, but to most people the new one seems better because they associate grain with analogue video artifacting rather than film and when there's no extra detail to point out to them, they'll just thing it's basically the same image, just without a layer of grain.
One of the really good examples I saw is the Gladiator. The old BD version had heavy DVNR, while the new version doesn't and is, well, new, so it's got a lot more detail than the old one at first glance. It is especially visible on hair and stuff like that.
Since Alien seems to be screwed up (opinion), I think Ill stick with the dtheater, just wondering what I should do the awesome HDTV of Aliens (that looks great) if Aliens BD is going to be even better
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Man! What is it with people and blue these days?
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bkev said:
Man! What is it with people and blue these days?
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Lookit that Alien screencap, is what I mean.
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Oh, right, yeah, that's true.
It seems like James Cameron have finally joined George Lucas and Sam Raimi in their revisionism. The coming blu-ray of Aliens have several digital tweaks done to it. Hope you like it...
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
After just criticizing Lucas? Wow. Just wow.
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msycamore said:
It seems like James Cameron have finally joined George Lucas and Sam Raimi in their revisionism. The coming blu-ray of Aliens have several digital tweaks done to it. Hope you like it...
Such as? This is the first I've heard of it.
I think he may be confusing changes in color / DNR with Lucas-level changes.
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