J. Williams & LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK AUDIOPHILE EDITION - Restored & Remastered Score (Released) — Page 18

Well A B C, the AE as it stands will remain on my backup drive until the end.  :)

VettaDen said:

I don't know how much time you invested in this project, but let me tell you every single second of it was worth it. I own all the versions that you used to make this definitive collection and what can I say other than 'stunning'. I commend you sir for all the fans and new listeners abroad, thank you. You do justice in a world that sorely needs it.

I invested quite a lot of time. First mastering and editing were quite fast, but finding the "true" sound of this score for a whole 40 track set was a hard task! If I'd have forseen it I probably wouldn't have done it.

I'm glad to read you appreciate the set that way when knowing all the sources I used ! :) ... And yes, this masterpiece film music deserved "Justice" and it's surely an honour to have been able to do it ;)

 

JediTray said:

Well A B C, the AE as it stands will remain on my backup drive until the end.  :)

That's great ;) ... Hope your backup drive will remain until the end! lol

So, the entire AE is to be replaced? And then there's a separate IE alongside it?

*I tend to pop in here any time I give your set another listen, like just now*

TRIFORCE89 said:

So, the entire AE is to be replaced? And then there's a separate IE alongside it?

Due the behaviour of one member in particular I discovered recently, who has released the AE - just making a kind of copy & paste of this topic - in another place in the first 5 days when I began to share it away, I don't plan to do anything again. Besides I don't know since when the AE is also in the Alt. Binaries SW, but I'd have loved at least to be informed, or asked, considering the way I exposed my views on the "share" before.

... Just so you understand I'm not pissed off that it has "leaked", but I haven't heard the least word from the guy I just mentionned, neither before, nor after. You'll find easilly what I mean. There are no feedbacks from "outsiders" neither, oh well. So be it, guys... Sorry for the people who have been so great to share a few words here - not only to let me know, but also to catch the attention of some who may have missed it otherwise. ;) ... That's actually the only moral rule that matters for me here, since the beginning.

As a compromise, we presented to you with D_J the IE music DVD made from my updated set, idea that came from our discussions, presenting the score in a shape maybe a long time overdue...

... What can I tell you more ?

PS: Hahahaaa !!! Funny, I just saw the same guy is now presenting the IE on the same site (tehparadox) when D_J just released it !

So, we can always hope for feedbacks!

... THANK YOU AVP ! :) You make our work to present it so sweet. (And thanks for the bold letters + the links back to here this time, that said. Haha !)

Enjoy anyway guys ! ;)

... Oh, and here's a little of the "why" I deplore our stuff that quickly thrown around.

A B C said:

... THANK YOU AVP ! :)

Yea, he is the share god I think, he doesn't ask anyone anything first, he just does, but at least he did give US credit this time, he has uploaded something I did before with out any credit at all, glory hound.

LOL, typical response from you as expected, like I said, do what you do and grab all that glory boy! another no one you are.

ask George Lucas for permission, you are to funny grade schooler.

AVP, rule your world as you want. But people may rule theirs in consideration of acting like yours. Closed case.

edit: post shortened for thread safety. :)

Wow A B C, I'm sorry this has happened.  Please know for the record that I have never shared your work other than with proper channels here at this site.  If I were to want to share it elsewhere, I would ASK YOU first and let you know EXACTLY what my plans are and provide links, etc.

I sure hope that this situation does not keep you from providing the pitch corrections and such that need to be replaced in the AE.  After reading and listening to the tracks several times, I completely agree that they must be replaced.

If you want my help or feedback or ANYTHING regarding this or other projects, please PM me.

I am eternally grateful to you, A B C.  That goes for all of your work that you have shared.

Thanks. What you say about the share should be all natural, but there are always show-off that will spoil the pleasure to share your effort. Of course, you don't need to ask me as far as you don't mean to post it in a blog or worst: a "supermarket" site like the one involved.

For an update I'll see what I can do (I have to put my nose in it... again!). The most important remains the pitch corrections and it would be indeed nice your set gets rid of that. Otherwise a couple of corrections make the AE details (booklet) false, but I won't update it. Another thing, the cue sheets from your sets will surely be useless (I haven't made new ones), so I'm affraid if new cues spread it will make great confusion. Only time will tell.

Well, whatever you do, I support it and will gladly update my copy of the AE, so should I be required to share it, I will have everything up to date.  Until then, the backup drive keeps it safe.  :)

I'm not forced to choose between your two solutions. The OE thread bilditup made before on the same site was far more respectful, and he invited anyone to feedback here (just would have I liked him to let me know, here again), And it was indeed really great for me to hear a horn player who has played with the London Symphony telling how much he enjoyed it here.

Note that the feedbacks you'll read here will give you a far better idea of "what's in there", than on tehparadox.

You're too used to help yourself freely through the web without counterpart, I definitely think. A feedback is not too much to ask, considering our efforts (in general).

Also, no need to ask me personnaly, some have used this thread successfuly.

timdiggerm said:

As for the ability to help yourself to creative projects - I think it's the future.

... Leaded by a sense of morality, notably in accordance and Respect the authors's will or wishes, as with a minimum of general common sense, I concur. Otherwise it is the door open to imposed rules and even interdictions.

However, it doesn't apply here, as it is not what I would call a "creative" project... I'm not an "author" in the right sense of the word. I'm rather a mediator. And this time I chose to share anyway.

Everyone is free to encourage this kind of effort or not. This should make this clear once for all said that way. ;)

Just a quick question to the ones who know this set:

Aren't the bonus tracks "too much", at the end of the score ? (and I also wonder if the "snowspeeders" film edit is necessary).

The only thing I disagree with, and not a concern with the AE, is the use of tracks that were not performed by the LSO and John Williams for the films.

JediTray said:

The only thing I disagree with, and not a concern with the AE, is the use of tracks that were not performed by the LSO and John Williams for the films.

Yes, of course. That's why I dropped what I had on the OE. But i's been a time I thought the film edit of "snowspeeder" had no interest.

The complete vesion Of Mynock Cave from the SE is of no more interest besides, considering the new one I've been able to make (see the IE DVD), and the "Rebel Escape" restored from the film mix doesn't worth a penny next to what's already in the set (the IE version is even better).

It makes then two bonus tracks interesting: both the Main & End Titles + a 3rd that I love: the "Asreroid Field" film version edit (has 15 sec. less - must have been reedited in 9 parts, quite unoticeable. Makes it more dynamic and thrilling).

This score is somehow hard to present the best way, if not through alternate sets.

Currently I only downloaded the 3rd disc to get an overview of the work done. The files I put on my Cowon S9, and plugged in my Sennheiser Headphones.

Cowon S9 ? Does it mean you listened to this as mp3's ?... Just curious.

Most of the cuts are invisible, only one cut (at the end of Jedi Master, Mynock Cave) was a bit abrupt.

Yes, the "clack", I see. As far as I remember the SE has the same. I fixed it in the same time than correcting the pitch on the RSO parts. You can hear the complete version in the "Imperial Edition", or grab the Mynock sequence as a sample in the IE thread.

For comparison I used the Anthology versions and especially compared my favourite tracks "Hyperspace" and "Lukes first Crash". Both of them got a much clearer instrument seperation. Also some noticable volume changes were done, especially in "Lukes first Crash".

... Hard to compare LPs versions with the Anthology. Only 40 sec on the 1st minute of Luke's First Crash is a pure Anthology part.

It would be very interesting to get to know what was the ideal ABC had in mind, to know how ABC decided what kind of sound is to be achieved and when to stop equalizing ... Any inputs on this, dear ABC?

I presented 4 versions before on these boards. They were in good shape but they weren't called "Audiophile Edition" but "Optimum". Only it occured when I decided the "Optimum" finished, that I just had a declic about how it should really sound depending on the source recordings. Also I understood what was to be taken into consideration (see post 1). If you want to name my ideal for this work then, perhaps I'd think "respect" towards all the particularities of the different sources.

As you said, all my concern was to get those tracks to sound the more natural as possible. All those recordings are rather limited in order to do that and the more I tried to make these powerful in the past, the more it revealed to be the wrong way. Funnily, they look somehow more dynamic to me now, I think.

Anyway, I will download the other 2 CDs very soon and only expect the best. Soon this set will shine in my soundtrack collection.

If you began by CD3, you've already heard the best (excepted for the "Imperial March" I think). However you may be surprised by what some of the Anthology and SE tracks can give, though I messed up with a couple (CD2, tracks 4 & 6 notably).

But my best effort remains on the Imperial Edition, no matter what. There has been a lot of corrections I already summed up on the previous page here + notably the use of a 20Khz parametric EQ to deal with most of the Anthology tracks. And notably, the "IE" focuses on the CD3 slight alternate equalizations (for a big half of tracks), less bright, just what it needs.

Every one who saw that DVD may tell you how much "Drawing The Battle Lines" or "Carbon Freeze" sound great now. But they will sound good already on the AE.

Thanks.

scoremaster said:

... when to stop equalizing (?) ...

Oh, and for the record: After hours of carefuly done alt mixings to listen for selection (not mentionning the earlier versions), this is where stopped the equalization.

Only a few tracks, notably half of the RSO CD were found in less than ten minutes, though I may have done further tries that were finally useless.

The IE DVD provides the definitive fixing though, as I explained before.

PS: yeah, mp3s... weird idea.

PPS: There were a couple of very easy fixes I made for the IE. For exemple and ss "Hyperspace" is one of your favorite tracks, you may want to have it sound at its best... Just lift the left channel of 0,5db on CD3 version (CD2 rather need to manage this on lowering the right), and you'll know what I mean. ;)

I have found the IE DVD to be both an enjoyment and a distraction, so I am considering ripping the audio from it unless there is indeed a followup corrected FLAC AE coming.

- Edited Post -

I'm not sure exactly what you mean A B C, but I will help any way I can.  :)