I've just finished Re-editing Episodes I-III, now what? (Released) — Page 2

http://vimeo.com/help/compression

also: http://vimeo.com/forums/help/topic:103546

Okey dokey... success at last!

search -> Revenge Of The Sith - Reborn (Ryan 2012 Fan-Edit)

http://www.myspleen.org to download. Please seed guys and let me know what you think :-)

Ryan

thx aalenfae,

Typical I try out vimeo just as it's having a temporary global meltdown crisis lol

It's working now.  Check out:

at http://vimeo.com/64834621

Let me know what you think or hit me back with any questions.

Ryan

Thx aalenfae Glad you like it.  Rotoscoping the lightsaber from green to blue in the final shots was a b*tch. Animators have the patience of saints!

Ryan

is up at: http://vimeo.com/64851898

11.10 mins of glorious cr*p that had no business in my fan-edit ;-D (Although some of it is fine it's just that I've replaced it with better material)

Ryan

I actually think you cut a little too much. The removal of the decoy queen at the throne room makes their turning the tables too quick, too hard to tell what's going on, and a little too easy (even for this movie)

Re timdiggerm.

Yes that edit is a little harsher than I would've liked.  But I've also cut every reference to the foolish Amidala/Padme double subplot from the whole film. So seeing the Keira Knightley double in full Queen makeup would be confusing at that stage.

This means the Queen seems less aloof and Padme seems stronger because you no longer see them as two seperate characters. Plus cutting the reveal makes Obi-Wan, Gui-Gon, Anakin and well just about everybody seem less like idiots.

Any other questions I'd be glad to answer.

Ryan

Ryan McAvoy said:

Yes that edit is a little harsher than I would've liked.  But I've also cut every reference to the foolish Amidala/Padme double subplot from the whole film. So seeing the Keira Knightley double in full Queen makeup would be confusing at that stage.

This means the Queen seems less aloof and Padme seems stronger because you no longer see them as two seperate characters. Plus cutting the reveal makes Obi-Wan, Gui-Gon, Anakin and well just about everybody seem less like idiots.

Any other questions I'd be glad to answer.

Yes....How does that work? How does the Queen come with QGJ on Tattooine? Why does the Queen stop dressing as the Queen for awhile? What about when they go to visit Boss Nass at the big stone head?

And what happens at the start of AOTC?

Re timdiggerm.

Q: How does the Queen come with QGJ on Tattooine?

A: I just show her walking off to Mos Espa with Gui-Gon chatting about the planet. She would naturally remove her makeup and dress to not draw attention just as Gui-Gon goes all Eastwood to hide the fact that he's a Jedi.

Plus I removed any lines like "The queen wouldn't approve".

Q: Why does the Queen stop dressing as the Queen for awhile?

A: The only big error I couldn't get around was that Padme is in the orange handmaiden outfit when Anakin gives her the necklace. I couldn't change the outfit and I couldn't remove the scene.  I can live with that. Maybe she just digs orange velvet.

Also Portman is in the back of a few shots when the Queen is talking.

It's all pretty smooth overall. Acts as follows:

Act1: Naboo official business = official dress

Act2: Hiding from the federation = dress down incognito

Act3: Coruscant negotiations = offcial dress again

Act4: Taking back Naboo = It's war so her wardrobe is functional

Q: What about when they go to visit Boss Nass at the big stone head?

A: I cut the Knightley double out of this scene.  Tarpals introduces the Queen, Boss Nass talks and it cuts straight to Portman begging for his help. Through clever new subtitles I make Nass be won over by the sight of the Queen of the high n mighty Naboo kneeling before the Gungans.

Q: And what happens at the start of AOTC?

A: I've cut it in such a way that you now truly believe that the person coming down the ramp is Amidala so it is more shocking when the bomb goes off. This is actually enhanced for the first time viewer by having never seen her use a double before.

Then Captain whatsisname says "Come on senator it's not safe" etc

Plus the next scene in my cut is Padme in the senate p*ssed off that her body guard has been killed to prevent her oposing the military creation act.

When I get TPM:Reborn up it will all be clear!

Ryan

Can you tell us about your approach to bridging the PT with the OT?  In particular, do you show the birth of the twins and the death of Padme?  Also, how do you retain the surprises of ESB?  (I apologise if the answers are in the Vimeo clips - I am unable to access them at the moment).

Re: Bester,

Q: Can you tell us about your approach to bridging the PT with the OT?  In particular, do you show the birth of the twins and the death of Padme?  Also, how do you retain the surprises of ESB?

A: I thought about this one til my head hurt. I tried to imagine if I had my mind wiped and was handed my version of the PT trilogy and the OT trilogy and told to watch them in chronological order. What would a first time viewer think and believe?

As a general principle I don't mind smart viewers working out a few surprises on their own.  It's part of the fun of watching a movie. But you won't be spoonfed the answers...

In ROTS:Reborn Vader is never mentioned.  I've recut the final moments of Anakin v Obi so it looks like he has died from being burned.  Then later we see Palpatine arriving.  Palpatine no longer says "He's still alive", he only calls for a medicalcapsule and then sits mournfully by Anakin's body.  Then the last we see of them is Anakin on the floating stretcher/coffin unit thing. It's a mystery.

Padme no longer really recovers from Anakin crushing her spine, only mumbling an incoherent "I know there's still..." as she dies. The twins are shown as boy and girl (But not named) and are shown to be sent to live on tatooine and with senator Organa.

Now the new viewer sits down to watch the OT. It opens with a character called Princess Leia fleeing aboard the TantiveIV.  At this point a really smart viewer might connect the set of the ship with the baby but possibly not.

Then this evil dude called Vader storms the ship, we think he's just another evil minion like Maul/Dooku/Grievous. Infact we don't even discover that he is even on familiar speaking terms with the emperor until half way through ESB.

Then we meet Luke who we instantly realise is the kid from ROTS.  He then meets Obi-Wan who tells him a bogus story about his father being killed by this Vader guy.  We know he's lying to Luke to spare his feelings about the betrayal of his father, but we don't know how big the lie actually is.  We'll find that out at the end of ESB at the same time Luke does.

Now on the Leia question.  In ESB Yoda says there is another hope so the slow/normal viewers think ahh that other baby must be the new hope.  The smart viewers have already worked it out.  Keep in mind that Senator Organa is only fleetingly mentioned as being from Alderaan in TPM by CPT Panaka is a seemingly irrelivant piece of info.

When we see Organa in AOTC/ROTS his Alderaan origins are never mentioned.  Plus Princess Leia is never named as being Leia 'Organa' anywhere in the OT (That's just extra backstory that has grown up round the saga). So as I said smart viewers will put the ship and Leia together but I bet most won't and there aren't alot of other clues.

The Leia reveal in ROTJ will be a surprise to about 90% of viewers and the 10% that got it, can pat themselves on the back.  The Vader reveal will be a mystery to 99% of viewers and the the 1% who worked that one out in ANH will have a smug sense of superiority to compensate for having been proved right. And they will have to wait to the end of ESB to be PROVED right about there theory.  So even they have a bit of suspence.

Hope that all makes sense.  Now if I can just find the Fresh Prince to give me a mind wipe and put my theory into practice.

Ryan

(Adopts David Prowse style west-country accent) "Today I will be mostly editing ROTJ"

On a side note to my PT thread. I can't decide if I want to put back in the original endscene/music as it is a major SE change but the original music sucks... hmmmm.  Might go for a blend.

What do you guys think?

Ryan.

Don't you mean "ROTS"?

Yes, I think the closing credits should at least begin with the Star Wars theme, just like the OT.

Just curious, but why is that torrent an .mpg?

ROTS:Reborn - How the opening rescue should have gone down

is now up at:

http://vimeo.com/64876478

Bit low-res but I've maxed my Vimeo limit til tomorrow. Might upload some AOTC.

Let me know your comments an questions.

Ryan

What format would you suggest?

Well, most people prefer something immediately burnable, like DVD or AVCHD.

If you're using a video file for now, I recommend MKV (more versatile) or M4V/MP4 (compatible with Apple devices). Most people around here would say MKV is best between the two. In either case, the video codec used should probably be H.264

Also, you should add info to the description section of your torrent, such citing as the sources you used to make the edit, and what changes you made.

If anything, I would put this (from your OP on this thread) into the description:

Here's just a few of my changes:

- ROTJ Fox and Lucasfilm logos used in all 3 films.

- Jar-Jar is no longer annoying!  There's less of him, he has a new voice, new character, new subtitles and he's now a Gungan Warrior Prince and Boss Nass is his father!

- Young Anakin is also no longer annoying! He's brave, he's an amazing pilot, he never says "Oops" and he takes part in the battle of Theed on purpose (Not by Accident!).

- No mention of "Medicloreans" or uses of the phrase "Younglings" at any point!

- Almost all deleted scenes are fully or partially re-instated.

- All Lightsaber Duels are tighter, closer and faster in-line with the OT.

- Anakin is no longer a complete d**k in AOTC.  He's heroic yet vulnerable. You actually like him!

- Padme and Anakin slowly fall in love in AOTC (Instead of spending the whole film spitting venom at each other).

- All dialogue has been trimmed line-by-line for god-awful-misjudge-ness e.g. "You're the kindest boy in the galaxy" and "This Parties over"

- Any terrible Digi-Doubles have been kept to a minimum.

- Young Boba is surly and doesn't speak.

- No pointless and over long CGI shots e.g. the full 360 of Obi on that Lizard thing.

- Less clowning around yet more humour.

- A few OT hero-music stings ("Dah da da da daaah")

- Yoda v Palpatine and Obi v Anakin are largely seperated in ROTS.

- Padme does not die from a bl**dy broken heart! She dies because Anakin actually does fatal damage to her in his jealous rage.

- And most importantly, Anakin is never named as Vader or shown in the suit to save that surprise for ESB.

I'll have to work on that. Gonna hopefully compile and burn off my Star Wars: Reborn Volume One Blu-Ray tonight (Has TPM & AOTC).  Then seed it tommorow.

Oooh Army Of The Republic has just this second finished downloading, this will make interesting viewing.

p.s. I've already added description to the torrent now.

ahh no confusion.  I do mean ROTJ. I'm doing a quick cut of that to suite my tastes. And was wondering if I should go with the original unchanged Ewok party ending or the fall of the empire SE ending.

I actually prefer the SE music and ending but I didn't want to depart too heavily from the theatrical cuts that I taped off the TV on to VHS when I was a kid.

Like I said may for a blend of the two.

I personally like the SE ending to RotJ.  Apart from the Hayden ghost.

Re Bester,

Exactly my thinking.