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Originally posted by: ricarleite
About this whole God exists, God dosen't exists, I've come to a conclusion: God DOES exist, he really does. But he's not a perfect entity, he's sadistical and evil-natured. God hates most of us.


Now see that's just unneccesarily pessimistic. I waver between stark Atheism and apathetic Agnosticism depending on how drunk I am.

But to say for sure that God DOES exist and IS evil and hates us is just silly.

The worst case scenario is that God exists and is an uncaring c*nt who enjoys watching his monkey project stumble and suffer.

The realistic scenario is that all of this, ALL OF THIS, is just a whole lot of random crap that is happening through pure chance.

Either way, enjoy it while you can because it moves along at a VERY brisk pace and it'll all be over before you know it.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
About this whole God exists, God dosen't exists, I've come to a conclusion: God DOES exist, he really does. But he's not a perfect entity, he's sadistical and evil-natured. God hates most of us.


Now see that's just unneccesarily pessimistic. I waver between stark Atheism and apathetic Agnosticism depending on how drunk I am.

But to say for sure that God DOES exist and IS evil and hates us is just silly.

The worst case scenario is that God exists and is an uncaring c*nt who enjoys watching his monkey project stumble and suffer.

The realistic scenario is that all of this, ALL OF THIS, is just a whole lot of random crap that is happening through pure chance.

Either way, enjoy it while you can because it moves along at a VERY brisk pace and it'll all be over before you know it.


From my own life experience and from what I've seen during my short 22 years of life, I can say that I'm sure that God does exists, but He IS evil. Very evil. He's porpouse is to create self conscious humans beings and torture them by taking what they want away from them, creating a world of pain and suffering, just for the fun of it. It is the most evil, sadistic being in the universe, and we are His toys, and there's nothing we can do. All I hope for is that there is no afterlife and God leaves us alone after our death, because if he He tortures us like that on Earth, I wonder what He might do to us on the afterlife. I don't know what we could do, perhaps surrender to His infinite power and bow down to Him, admiting that we are insignificant, powerless and useless beings.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
*Warbler washes Jimbo's mouth out with soap*
Speaking from experience, liquid pump soap is far more effective than bar soap.
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Reminds me of when a friend of mine @ 5 years of age, walked into his mom's kitchen and dropped the F-bomb. She was doing dishes @ the time and was so horrified that she turned around and squirted him in the mouth with dish soap. He was blowing bubbles for a couple of hours afer that.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
Al Gore did say he invented the internet. They had a video of him saying it. Its like every democrate has there own catch phrase.


I know this was a while back in this thread, but it ticks me off no less.

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Thanks for that link Bossk. Just another example of how far people will run with a non-truth. Hopefully that will settle the issue, at least on this thread.
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No problem, Lethe. Anytime something questionable like that comes up, I always refer to my trusty Snopes.com. I love 'em.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Reminds me of when a friend of mine @ 5 years of age, walked into his mom's kitchen and dropped the F-bomb. She was doing dishes @ the time and was so horrified that she turned around and squirted him in the mouth with dish soap. He was blowing bubbles for a couple of hours afer that.
Hmmm...I think my experience might have been worse.

I was given the choice of bar or pump soap.
Let me assure you, I will never have to think about it, if that choice is given to me.
Bar soap all the way.
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Just not Lifebuoy.
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If my memory serves, that's a Christmas Story reference. You know that the outdoor shots of the house and the department store were done in Cleveland.
The department store and surrounding area seen is Cleveland's Public Square and Tower City.
The home is in a neighborhood called Tremont.

Never tried it (that soup), but I'll take Ralphy's word on its taste.
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Originally posted by: starkiller
If my memory serves, that's a Christmas Story reference. You know that the outdoor shots of the house and the department store were done in Cleveland.
The department store and surrounding area seen is Cleveland's Public Square and Tower City.
The home is in a neighborhood called Tremont.

Never tried it (that soup), but I'll take Ralphy's word on its taste.


A fine movie, indeed. Good catch on the ref. I was hoping it wouldn't be too obscure.

I'll assume you meant "soap" in your last line.
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Yes I did.
Perhaps a subconscience thing...I had soup last night (although I did find it quite good).
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Too funny.

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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
Hmmm... I like you ric so I'm going to tread carefully on this. This is NOT a personal attack.

Sex is free but children are expensive. Hey, I didn't make the rules.

It's uncaring cruelty bordering on inhumanity to expect a rape-victim/rape-baby relationship to work. In an ideal world the child would not be affected by the 'sins of the father' but we do not live in an ideal world. We live in an imperfect world where the mother would see the ugly face of her attacker each and everytime she looked at her unwanted child. Is this fair? No, but is it the truth? Yes. Forcing a victim to raise her rapist's offspring is one of the most perfect acts of cruelty I can imagine.

Is it right to abort dividing cells when the resultant human will not be anything more than a drain on the family and the community? Tough question. Do I believe that it is the parent's right to decide? Yes I do. How many more ghettobaby car-thieves do we need?

Many people would willingly give their lives for their loved ones but how anyone could expect a mother with a life and place in society to give up her life so that the tissue inside her can be entered into the welfare system to bounce around getting used and abused before finally being ejected into the world as a bitter institutionalised uncared for human is beyond me. That's like trading a fuctioning person for a maladjusted criminal.

Yes I definitely agree that we should solve the problems of inequality and poverty. Hmmm, maybe if we all stopped pumping so much money into artillery and the machines of war we could afford to feed, clothe and shelter the homeless instead of incarcerating them and we could look after those less fortunate rather than killing people in far off countries just because we don't agree with them and they happen to be sitting on all our oil. Just a thought.


Its not a mass of cells its a fucking human being. I am sure its better to take the cowards way out but for the child he has been given life and it is destroyed. Murder is wrong. So is being a whore. Our military is what is protecting us from evil men like Saddam Hussaine. They deserve the money. The war was started for oil is such a fucking liberal lie. Gas prices haven't gone down since the war because we haven't been using that oil.
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Its not a mass of cells its a fucking human being.


The debate about whether or not the very instant a sperm joins an egg at conception results in a human being or a mass of still dividing cells has not yet been settled, nor will it by the likes of you Jimbo.

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Murder is wrong. So is being a whore.


And yet...

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Originally posted by: jimbo in this thread, in Kerry Lied and in Beautiful Women:

If I had my way everyone who ever got an abortion would be hanged...
If it were up to me id excecute every women and every doctor who commited an abortion.
Yes I would rather have a child grow up on the streets
What happens to the child after its born. It lives thats what the flying fuck happens. Even a life in an orphange or on the street is still a life and I am sure they are thankful they were given the right to excist.
Frankly I could give a flying fuck about what happens to some dirty sluty whore who fucked around and doesn't want to accept the responsibility for that. If the girl is raped kill the guy who raped you don't take it out on some innocent child.
There iternity in hell can't begin soon enough as far as I am afraid.
Our country doesn't need slutly whores like them. If they accidently kill themselves trying to get an illegal abortion I say good fucking ridence.
They are slutty whores. Who think that they can do whatever they want without consequence. I have no sympathy for them at all. I strongly support the death penilty.

Britanny Spears and Natalie Portman together. Four of my favorites.
Heres some news. Apparently Natalie Portman will play a stripper in her next movie. All I can say is yeah.
Id appreciate a womens mind more if it bounced up and down as they walked. Perverted I know but Im a guy.
some of the time you just want some action.
I say you gotta take the best you can get.
Elisha Cuthbert doesn't go fully nude though. Probably my only complaint in what otherwise is a masterpeice.
Heres a very reveling Wardrop malfunction from everyones favorite girl next door. I hope you enjoy I know I did.
Oh well even if they are not her boobs it is some girls boobs which makes it worth clicking.
I believe you only need to be 18 to hang in the nudy bar
Where the music stinks and they water the drinks at the nudy bar
Where you look at a thigh and blacken an eye at the nudy bar
Where the girlies dance in there underpants at the nudy bar
Where a bucks enough to see there stuff at the nudy bar
Where you swear like a sailer and wish you could nail her at the nudy bar
Where the breasts may be fake but man can they shake at the nudy bar
Where the bear is a plenty and the women are all 20 at the nudy bar
Where you see there butt but there trap stays shut at the nudy bar
What I like about Al Bundy is he say all the things we are thinking deep inside but that women never are able to tolarate. He is the opposite of what women want us to be. For example when he insults fat women at his shoe store. I always considered him a hero when he did this.
I am good at drawing and making jokes. I do make jokes on this site all the time. Other career options would be male prostitute, playboy directer, or mime.


You had better get used to whores Jimbo because with your attitude towards women that'll be your only chance to 'get some action'.

Just as well then that if you had your way there would be so many unwanted children condemned to loveless lives on the streets that there'd be plenty of whores for you to choose from when even they refuse to service you.

You disgust me, and I'm not easily disgusted.
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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I am eagerly anticipating his reply to that post Regicidal. Thats a lot more direct than most have been, so im not sure he can just rhetoric his way out...time will tell.
I do agree with you that the matter of when life begins (conception vs. birth vs. some point between) isnt settled. Most likely it wont be settled on this board . Jimbo, I really challenge you to offer proof that life begins at conception. Im not going to be an asshole about this, I just want to know what your justification is for that claim/stance/belief.

Id also venture to say that its incredibly naive to think that oil has nothing to do with the War in Iraq. Im not saying its the only reason, or even the main reason - its just not logical to deny its significance. I mean, why did we bail Kuwait out in the early 90's? You think that it might have had something to do with Saddam's forces torching vital oil fields? We have always had a vested interest in the middle east, and when that interest is threatened we get involved. And hey, if we get to knock around an insane dictator in the process why not? (I dont really know how to make sure that gets across as sarcastically as possible, a wink doesnt seem like enough).
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If you guys want, I can discuss my views on abortion with you all. I won't throw religious sentiments and justifications to it, I won't say I'll kill everyone who has done it, and I will not mix up politics with the issue: most of you know I'm a ultra left liberal, so it's not a republican-democrat thing to me - besides I've promissed never to discuss politics on this forum again.
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I also believe that abortion is not a religious issue, but then I don't believe that religion has ANY bearing on human life.

I don't believe that abortion is a political issue either.

I believe that it's a moral and ethical issue and since those things are subjective and constructed by society they are going to differ greatly from society to society as there is NO 'objective right'.

I believe that abortion is an issue that has to do with a woman's body and her right to choose. It should be decided by the woman and to a lesser extent the father of the zygote.

It's always interesting to see so many men expecting to be able to tell a woman what rights she has and what she can and cannot do with her body.

We probably won't be hearing from any women here but I find it interesting none the less.

If men could fall pregnant the right to have abortions would be a no-brainer, but then that would be a very different world.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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My feeling on abortion is that it's largely unnecessary. I know that any one method of birth control is not 100% perfect, but if you use two together, the chances of getting pregnant decrease phenomenally. I also think that the whole "child from rape" issue could be dealt with just as easily through adoption; why make a tragic event doubly tragic by killing the child of that event. All human life should be given a chance, regardless of the circumstances that brought it into being. The only time that I think abortion should be necessary is if the mother's health is jeapordised by the pregnancy. Now, before you pigeonhole me, let me tell you that I am not one of these radical fools who think that all abortion clinics should be bombed and that all doctors who grant abortions should be killed; I just think that a more common sense approach to the problem is needed. Unfortunately, history has proven that common sense isn't all that common, and that the voice of reason is usually the first to be extinguished. Read Lord of the Flies if you don't beleieve me.

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Funny, Jimbo gets it, and rightfully so, for his way of expressing himself and maybe even some hypocrisy. But others by and large do the same hate mongering, just with better grammar and a more patronizing feel, and some how feel they are justified... yeah your right way to go, you are a much bigger/more mature person than he is ...


G-d and politics:

Let me help this out a bit, in the bible, Book of Romans chapter 13, 1st verse to be specific, it states and I do summarize. That there is no authority, including government leader, on earth that is not appointed by G-d. The rest of the chapter goes on to discuss various other issues pertaining to this, feel free to read it if you like. BUT I see no reason why it has been brought up here. There is a large collection of various different beliefs and perspectives here and i fail to see why this "Christian concept" is applicable. If this was a Christian board or even a conversation that was discussing G-d and any relationship to government it may be applicable, but since by and large this is nothing like that I would recommend it be left out, especially if you don’t know where the concept comes from...


Abortion.

Just for some clarity G. Bush doesn’t want to completely ban abortion, he is in favor of limiting its usage from at will pregnancy protection, to before a certain point in the pregnancy, in cases of rape and or incest, and in cases where the mothers life is in danger.

Personally, i am against abortion in many of its forms. I fail to see how your own personal lack of responsibility has to do with the destruction of life. For every one child in America put up for adoption there is an average of 25 couples waiting to get that child. I also fail to see, and this is where I guess some of us just have to respectfully disagree, how a growing child is a part of the women’s body. It is after all its own entity. Again this is just my perception which I believe to be true, (and it is true whether you like it or not )

Separation of Church and State.

This concept is simple. The government can’t establish or favor in any way any one, or lack there of, religion. It must stay a neutral body when such issues arise. It does not however mean a banning of religion or a banning of people who are religious in anyway from public office. (That would fall under the "against" wording)

Lastly... I wish more people would spend the time educating themselves at least a little bit. Support Bush or Support Kerry or who ever you like, just make sure you have reasons for it, don’t just jump in and ramble off some inane dribble about one or the other, have some semblance of thought behind what you say; there are plenty of reasons to support or not support any political figure, find some...
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Kingsama, thanks for bringing back the topic of the separation of church and state. If I am not mistaken, this is a constitutionally enshrined doctrine, embodied as the right to freedom of religion. We have the same right in the Canadian constitution, wherein any one religion or mode of thinking (e.g. atheism, agnosticism) cannot set itself up as a state religion because to do so would infringe on the rights of those who worship differently. This is one of the constitutional rights that means the most to me because without it, I would not be free to worship according to the dictates of my own conscience, something which is very important in my everyday life. *steps off soapbox*

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Regicidal_Maniac I am a virgin. But I have had some luck with women. Those are all jokes. Most of them are from Married with Children. I hardly think that using Married with Children quotes in internet conversations makes me a loner. Truefully I do have respect for women. I love making perverted jokes and looking at porn but really I understand women are people. I have never actually tryed to get a women to have sex with me. I plan on waiting till I get a good job before I consider sex. Though I am willing to go as far as I can short of that.
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I just found this in an article about the Cheney/Edwards debate tonight here in Cleveland

Fox News, about 2/3 of the way down the page

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"What persona will these two men project? Worst case scenario for Edwards is that the vice president comes across as the sage Yoda and he comes across as the novice Luke Skywalker. Worst case for the vice president is he comes across as Darth Vader against Edwards' Jedi knight Skywalker," added Peter Giuliano of Executive Communications Group, referring to characters from the Star Wars films.
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Heh, good find starkiller.

Jimbo you needn't wait until you get a good job to begin a sexual relationship. Yes some girls are impressed by a guys large bankroll but in truth girls are just as horny as guys.

Just find an attractive girl you respect and who likes you and see where it goes, you never know.

But whatever you do wear protection. The last thing this world needs is a litter of Jimbo Jnrs. M'kay?
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.