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Originally posted by: sean wookie
we need to kill lucas so he never gets his hands on any other movies


Get a grip.

On a different note, some other ramrod suggested that we Star Wars fans mobilize at Best Buys, Wal-Marts and other retail outlets selling the trilogy set and "encourage" others not to buy them (ignoring the logistics in "covering" a single large metropolitan city such as New York, LA, Houston, etc). Let me know if the cops treated you well after you get out of jail.

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there would be no need to cover large metros entirely...just a few determined fans at a few stores in a few major metros would create more than enough bad press for Lucas...something tells me he may not care...but if we could spin that bad press into loss of sales, then he would take notice

perhaps someone who runs this site should organize just such an effort...hell, an official organized effort may be enough to get in the press well before the expected release date

organize, set up a page on this site, get some folks to pledge that they will spend the release date at major resellers encouraging people to not buy this edition, then send out a press release to a few major news sources
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Originally posted by: obi-wan trentobi
On a different note, some other ramrod suggested that we Star Wars fans mobilize at Best Buys, Wal-Marts and other retail outlets selling the trilogy set and "encourage" others not to buy them (ignoring the logistics in "covering" a single large metropolitan city such as New York, LA, Houston, etc). Let me know if the cops treated you well after you get out of jail.

The guy who suggested this wasn't talking about being loud and obnoxious and, God forbid, violent. Just informing people that don't know. If store management asks you to leave, you do so. That's all. Only a real ramrod would think of taking this to the level where police would get involved.
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Picket lines aren’t a bad idea.

Picture this:

A few fans dressed as Wookies, Storm Troopers etc, holding placards asking for the 'original versions' to be released on DVD. Similar in approach to Michael Moore's Awful Truth. Humorous and satirical, not the crazy ideas that people are having. Time it for the release day in September, call a couple of news desks and ‘voila’ instant news story on every TV set in America.
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Oooohhh. That gave me an idea. Let's get Michael Moore in on the campaign. Then we'd be noticed.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Oooohhh. That gave me an idea. Let's get Michael Moore in on the campaign. Then we'd be noticed.


Is that the guy that was "Silient Bob" in that film Silient Bob & Jay Strike Back?? I remember that dude is a BIG Star Wars Fan also.
and with his backing could also help get the word out. IMO.

it would be cool if he did some short promo spot for tv, to let people know what this is all about and he could at the end let everyone know to visit "www.originaltrilogy.com" for more info!

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I'll ignore the "ramrod" part but of course you don't get the police involved. There's no law against going to a store and talking to customers. I hope everyone understands that I'm not saying be violent, or hurt people when they pick up the Star Wars DVDs, just as customers approach kindly ask them to not purchase the set so that Lucas will get the message that people WANT to see the ORIGINAL on DVD. Personally I don't mind the Special Editions, the only thing that really bothers me is when Gredo shots Han first, mainly cause it looked bad, but also because it REALLY hurt Han's character. Anyway getting off the topic now. Here is a mock example of what I would like everyone here and others across the country to do!

CartoonBeaver gets to his local Best Buy right when the open on September 21st, since he figured there would be a line in the morning he left much earlier so he would be first in line at the store. Before he left his house he grabbed some printed documents and other information that he will use to persuade people not to buy Star Wars on DVD.

CartoonBeaver arrives at Best Buy and as people come up to wait outside of Best Buy he introduces himself politely and begins to ask if they are here for the Star Wars DVDs. If so CartoonBeaver hands them a piece of paper and starts to explain how if we the consumers do not take a stand now we will never see the ORIGINAL trilogy ever again. We will also say that (no matter how you personally feel) that Lucas's choice to make the Special Editions the "definitive" story (even though we know he's got an "archive" edition coming) we still would like to preserve this CLASSIC movie for others to watch for the first time.

From there the person has two choices, ignore you or say okay. If they say okay ask them if they would mind staying there with you to inform others or if they would like to come to the store later in the day and help ask people not to buy the DVDs.

WE CAN DO THIS, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ORGANIZATION THAT SHOULD START ON THIS SITE, A MAP OF THE COUNTRY WITH PEOPLE VOULUNTEERING THEIR TIME AND WHAT STORE THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO TO! WE HAVE LITTLE TIME!!!
WE MUST DO SOMETHING!

DON'T BUY STAR WARS ON DVD UNLESS IT INCLUDES THE ORIGINAL!!!!!
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Originally posted by: JangoxFett
Is that the guy that was "Silient Bob" in that film Silient Bob & Jay Strike Back?? I remember that dude is a BIG Star Wars Fan also.
and with his backing could also help get the word out.

Nope, you're thinking Kevin Smith. Michael Moore is the director/writer/star/antagonist behind the documentary films Roger & Me and Bowling For Columbine. In Roger & Me, he attacked the head of the Chrysler Corporation for shutting down their plants in Flint, Michigan, and therefore ruining the livelihood of practically all the townspeople and bringing the entire town to the verge of financial ruin.

When he gets fired up, there's no stopping him. And he is equally big like Kevin Smith. Both very big guys. Moore is the one who gave the anti-Bush speech in the Oscars last year.
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I don't mean to be rude, but if you came up to me at a store and told me not to buy something, I'd probably tell you to go stick it somewhere. Coming at people like that is confrontational and it is a normal instinctive human response to treat such an approach as hostile and will most likely get you kicked out of the store, because if I was a manager, you would be interfering with my business. Doing something like you are proposing will get you hauled off by the cops.

I feel the better solution is INSTEAD of telling people what NOT to do, take a petition and approach people who have bought the DVD and ask them to sign a petition asking for the release of the original editions of the Star Wars trilogy. You can educate them about the fact that Lucas is only putting the Special Editions out on the box set. A fact that I'm sure some customers will be very surprised about and will probably get you a good number of signatures on that issue alone.

Yes, I know there is an online petition, but I work in the entertainment field and online petitions mean very little to companies. It's hard pieces of paper that REALLY stand out. I realize that the efforts of OT.COM and others on behalf of releasing the OT on DVD are noble, sincere and valiant. But having a big stack of papers plopped on your desk is much more dramatic than someone saying "hey, there are 50,000 signatures on the online petition"

In this day and age, people take the easiest and convenient way out, and that is by doing it online.

Just speaking from my experience in the entertainment industry, hard copy letters carry much more weight than emails.

If you want to bring petitions with you to for people to sign, I am all for it and I may even want to participate. You will probably be well received by customers and you may even get support of the management, because when you convince them that they will sell even more Star Wars if the original editions are released, they will be more than happy to support you; or at least not bother you as you collect signatures. If you want to accost people (yes accost) and tell them not to buy merchandise, I strongly advise against that. It would only get you into trouble and make us OT fans look bad.

Please consider the petition drive idea rather than a picket line.



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Originally posted by: R2-G2
I don't mean to be rude, but if you came up to me at a store and told me not to buy something, I'd probably tell you to go stick it somewhere. Coming at people like that is confrontational and it is a normal instinctive human response to treat such an approach as hostile and will most likely get you kicked out of the store, because if I was a manager, you would be interfering with my business. Doing something like you are proposing will get you hauled off by the cops.

I feel the better solution is INSTEAD of telling people what NOT to do, take a petition and approach people who have bought the DVD and ask them to sign a petition asking for the release of the original editions of the Star Wars trilogy. You can educate them about the fact that Lucas is only putting the Special Editions out on the box set. A fact that I'm sure some customers will be very surprised about and will probably get you a good number of signatures on that issue alone.

Yes, I know there is an online petition, but I work in the entertainment field and online petitions mean very little to companies. It's hard pieces of paper that REALLY stand out. I realize that the efforts of OT.COM and others on behalf of releasing the OT on DVD are noble, sincere and valiant. But having a big stack of papers plopped on your desk is much more dramatic than someone saying "hey, there are 50,000 signatures on the online petition"

In this day and age, people take the easiest and convenient way out, and that is by doing it online.

Just speaking from my experience in the entertainment industry, hard copy letters carry much more weight than emails.

If you want to bring petitions with you to for people to sign, I am all for it and I may even want to participate. You will probably be well received by customers and you may even get support of the management, because when you convince them that they will sell even more Star Wars if the original editions are released, they will be more than happy to support you; or at least not bother you as you collect signatures. If you want to accost people (yes accost) and tell them not to buy merchandise, I strongly advise against that. It would only get you into trouble and make us OT fans look bad.

Please consider the petition drive idea rather than a picket line.


I Agree 100% Starting a picket would be bad. no one wants to be "Told" what they can buy. even if its a "Suggestion".
A Petition Siging is mush more affective, after all if the "Trekkes"{sp?} could Petition to bring back there favoret show?. then We
can Petition for the O.OT also. «Quote: You get more flys with Honey. .. Then trying to hit them in the head with a stick. UnQuote»

If someone should make a Petition? it would be cool if it was put on a web page that can be Printed Out. then anyone here can print it off and have them ready for Sep.



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Originally posted by: R2-G2
I don't mean to be rude, but if you came up to me at a store and told me not to buy something, I'd probably tell you to go stick it somewhere. Coming at people like that is confrontational and it is a normal instinctive human response to treat such an approach as hostile and will most likely get you kicked out of the store, because if I was a manager, you would be interfering with my business. Doing something like you are proposing will get you hauled off by the cops.


Yes, exactly that. Plus if someone approached me in a store and told me not to buy something, I'd tell them to stick it and buy the thing just to piss them off.

People, we've lost a BATTLE, not the war. If and when this petition passes 100,000 signatures (which isn't as impossible as it may seem), then perhaps printed copies of the petition should be sent to key-people inside Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox. And hell, sending a copy to Dreamworks SKG (on the off chance Speilberg might actually get it and take our side in the matter) might be worth it too. Signing the petition is as good as saying "I'd buy the Original Trilogy on DVD if it was ever released". If any movie studio had a guarantee of selling 100,000 copies of a set, they'd be a lot more likely to produce it. Even more likely the higher the number climbs.

We can't change his mind, but Lucas has caved in to pressure from 20th Century Fox numerous times before (he did so with the Special Editions), so why wouldn't he now? IMHO, we need to be focusing our efforts on them the most.

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here here trentobi....
very well said indeed
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Do you know what I think may happen...

Once all the films are released on DVD, we will get a super box set like the Alien box set. The Archival Edition.....Right!!!!
I know we are all going on about the SE sucking(not me though..I don't mind them), but I thin Mr Lucas might just do what they did with Alien.
Come 2007 or whatever, we will gat either a 14 disc box set. With the super special editions of all 6 movies. All the shit with extra footage etc, and also the Thearical relaese.
Now, depending on the thechnoloy in 2006-7 it will be a 14 disc set or, if they can fit 2 movies on 1 disc, a 8 or 9 disc set.
I'm telling ya all, thats whats gonna happen.
It will be the biggest and best box set in history.
The way the films were origainally, and the way the films he wants now, all in one beautiful set.

This will be Star Wars for everybody.

Just to keep everybody happy..

Just wait and see....

You will finally get the OT on DVD.

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Originally posted by: HotRod
Do you know what I think may happen...

Once all the films are released on DVD, we will get a super box set like the Alien box set. The Archival Edition.....Right!!!!
I know we are all going on about the SE sucking(not me though..I don't mind them), but I thin Mr Lucas might just do what they did with Alien.
Come 2007 or whatever, we will gat either a 14 disc box set. With the super special editions of all 6 movies. All the shit with extra footage etc, and also the Thearical relaese.
Now, depending on the thechnoloy in 2006-7 it will be a 14 disc set or, if they can fit 2 movies on 1 disc, a 8 or 9 disc set.
I'm telling ya all, thats whats gonna happen.
It will be the biggest and best box set in history.
The way the films were origainally, and the way the films he wants now, all in one beautiful set.

This will be Star Wars for everybody.

Just to keep everybody happy..

Just wait and see....

You will finally get the OT on DVD.

14 discs? Ha! Need I remind you that high definition (with much improved storage capacities over standard DVD) is just around the corner? With that type of technology at his disposal, it might very well be possible to include The Original Theatrical Cut, the '97 Special Edition cuts and the oft-rumored Archive Editions all on a single platter. The resolution may or may not be as great as high definition is capable of... but these are old films, I doubt high definition would significantly improve the way they look. It might be possible to include all three cuts of each film on a single disc along with a commentary. If not... well, speaking only for myself, I care most about getting The Original Theatrical Cuts and the Archive Editions... I don't need to see the Special Editions preserved, but it IS paramount to preserve The Original Theatrical Cuts and the Archive Editions, in my opinion.

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The SE no classic trilogy.

Hell, it ain't even the doctored SE that Lucas was talking about that at least restored Han to shooting first.


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Originally posted by: R2-G2
I don't mean to be rude, but if you came up to me at a store and told me not to buy something, I'd probably tell you to go stick it somewhere. Coming at people like that is confrontational and it is a normal instinctive human response to treat such an approach as hostile and will most likely get you kicked out of the store, because if I was a manager, you would be interfering with my business. Doing something like you are proposing will get you hauled off by the cops.

I feel the better solution is INSTEAD of telling people what NOT to do, take a petition and approach people who have bought the DVD and ask them to sign a petition asking for the release of the original editions of the Star Wars trilogy. You can educate them about the fact that Lucas is only putting the Special Editions out on the box set. A fact that I'm sure some customers will be very surprised about and will probably get you a good number of signatures on that issue alone.

Yes, I know there is an online petition, but I work in the entertainment field and online petitions mean very little to companies. It's hard pieces of paper that REALLY stand out. I realize that the efforts of OT.COM and others on behalf of releasing the OT on DVD are noble, sincere and valiant. But having a big stack of papers plopped on your desk is much more dramatic than someone saying "hey, there are 50,000 signatures on the online petition"

In this day and age, people take the easiest and convenient way out, and that is by doing it online.

Just speaking from my experience in the entertainment industry, hard copy letters carry much more weight than emails.

If you want to bring petitions with you to for people to sign, I am all for it and I may even want to participate. You will probably be well received by customers and you may even get support of the management, because when you convince them that they will sell even more Star Wars if the original editions are released, they will be more than happy to support you; or at least not bother you as you collect signatures. If you want to accost people (yes accost) and tell them not to buy merchandise, I strongly advise against that. It would only get you into trouble and make us OT fans look bad.

Please consider the petition drive idea rather than a picket line.


I think most people would say leave me the fuck alone. I like the Special Editions. I don't think store would cater to you telling customers not to buy.

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you people are missing the point...it's not stopping people from buying because most would tell you to piss off...the point is making a big enough stink so that Lucas and Foxget enough bad press that they have to respond
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Originally posted by: -LD
you people are missing the point...it's not stopping people from buying because most would tell you to piss off...the point is making a big enough stink so that Lucas and Foxget enough bad press that they have to respond


Lucas could give two sh!ts about the popular opinion of his fanbase. 20th Century Fox, on the other hand, is a company and like any company, they depend on sales to stay alive. If they see a chance at making more money (ie, releasing the Original Trilogy as a boxed set of some sort) and have paid attention to the amount of people who have signed the originaltrilogy.com petition, they'd be fools to not do everything in their power to bend Lucas to their will. And it's within their power to do, they've done so before. Fox just needs to be shown, told and (if necessary) FORCED to see the gold mine that the Original Trilogy is. People will buy it because it's Star Wars, we'll buy it because we're getting back the versions from when we were younger. Releasing the Original Trilogy can only be a good thing and Fox need to be educated on this. Forget about what Jim Ward says, he's a puppet who's just following his master's orders. He's not a real decision maker. I guarandamntee you that if Lucas decided to release the Original Trilogy tomorrow, Ward would be backpedaling on his previous "this is Lucas's true vision" statements so fast it would make all our heads spin.

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Fyi.. Check this site about some changes will be happening with the SE Trilogy! BBspot


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They Quoted Jar Jar as "most popular character in star wars." What? Were they Reading?? I remember out of 100% of the overall fans 90% Hated Jar Jar. IMHO The Most Popular Character was Boba Fett and then Vader.

oh well.
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Ummm... please tell me that you guys realize that BBSpot is a parody site. I even posted that exact article in the Jokes thread of this forum.
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Originally posted by: JangoxFett
Fyi.. Check this site about some changes will be happening with the SE Trilogy! BBspot


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For some this will be a "Nightmare"!!




They Quoted Jar Jar as "most popular character in star wars." What? Were they Reading?? I remember out of 100% of the overall fans 90% Hated Jar Jar. IMHO The Most Popular Character was Boba Fett and then Vader.

oh well.


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Do you think the rumored changes to the star wars trilogy is going to happen yes or no? Persionly I hope these changes don't happen.
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Do you think the rumored changes to the star wars trilogy is going to happen yes or no? Persionly I hope these changes don't happen.

When the TPM was originally announced for VHS home video, McCallum said Lucas was too busy to release Star Wars on DVD because he was too busy with the production of the PT, and that after Ep3 came out he would have something "really special" ready for the OT. September's SE release is not going to be it, it's just a stop gap. The "really special" edition AKA Archive Edition will probably be ready for 2007, SW 30th Anniversary.
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