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It's a fan edit, it's a challenge, it's a poll, it's a cry for help, it's... Star Wars: The Longer Versions!

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The title says it all, ladies and gentlemen. These fan-edits are about one thing: length.

*cheap porno music plays in the background*

The premise of this edit really isn't all that special: I'm inserting all the officially released deleted scenes into Episodes I-IV*. However, my good friend Erik made a suggestion that will make this somewhat interesting. We're both massive deleted scenes junkies (whenever we watch a movie, it isn't over until we've seen the deleted scenes afterwards). As such, our dream Star Wars versions would have the material reincorporated into the movie, so we'll have it all in one place. Erik, liking to do things the hard way, challenged me to do it using only freeware programs. As such, I'm considering calling this "The Poor Man's Version," instead.

Just so everyone knows, I am COMPLETELY new to this, so if I seem to be struggling with a simple concept, please don't be mad. Having never tried my hand at video editing before, I decided to find out just what needs to be done. I used the tool known as DVDShrink to rip the relevant files from the DVDs to my hard drive. After asking around, I was told that Windows Movie Maker was the best freeware video editor. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem capable of editing the VOB files from the DVDs. Figuring that a conversion was in order, I called my local pastor. After a moment of awkward silence, he hung up and left me to search the web for my answers. I ran into a lot of problems. First and foremost, the quality difference between the DVD files and the AVIs was absolutely glaring. Second, the audio had the tendency to get horribly out of sync. Realizing it would be better just to find another program capable of editing the VOB files, themselves, I figured I should ask you guys. Remember, in accordance with the rules, it has to be freeware. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

These edits might not look pretty (especially with the condition of ANH's deleted scenes), but that's not their aim. This is for the pedants who feel that if it's shot, it should be used. Before my family and I moved (I still keep in touch with Erik), I came up with a detailed shot-by-shot guide as to precisely where the deleted scenes would go. Unfortunately, it seems to have been lost in the move. I'm going to have to retype it, but when I finish I'll post it here to see what you guys think. I made sure to remove shots that simply wouldn't work (due to repeated dialog or a change of setting in the final cut). The change in quality will also provide some humorous moments, such as switching from the completed shots of the battle in the Geonosian arena to the unfinished blue screen shots in the Droid Control Ship. One scene that will rob some of their sanity is an even LONGER podrace sequence.

Where to begin is the big question. I was going to do them in chronological order, but then it dawned on me that TPM wasn't exactly the fandom's favorite son. So, I'm holding a poll. Which would YOU like to see first? I can't seem to find a poll option on this board, so I'll just count them, myself. Select one of these:

Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Episode IV: A New Hope

Now, just you watch. The day I finish all of them will be the day Lucas announces a new boxed set with MORE deleted scenes. After the doctors save me from my little seppuku incident, I guess I'll have to start all over again. Such is life, I suppose.

*After careful consideration, I realized that the new material for Empire and Jedi would only amount to a few seconds (not enough to warrant the projects).
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I'd recommend you start with TPM. The scenes (generally) are pretty self contained and should be able to fit in the movie smoothly. This seems to be a good project to cut your teeth on.
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I think it's also pertinent to point out that ADigitalMan has already created extended editions of the prequels. So if your goal is to learn some software, then by all means, press on, but if you just wanna watch the flicks with all the deleted scenes back in, you might wanna track those down.

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Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.

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I did I, II and III back in the day. They're around.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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Oh, well, that's disheartening... oh, what the Hell. I'll do it anyway. I might just keep it for my personal amusement, then, since I wouldn't be depriving the masses of anything. Oddly, I can't seem to find ADigitalMan's extended editions anywhere on the boards (or the 'Net, for that matter). They're separate from your personal fan-edited editions, right? Well, to whatever end, I still need to find a program capable of editing the VOB files. Any suggestions/explanations/help in any form?
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ADigitalMan's Guide to MPEG2/AC3 Editing

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The Extended Episodes I, II and III were torrented on Pirate Bay. I've downloaded them and I seeded them for a while.
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If you want to edit with Windows Movie Maker, you could convert the .vob files to .avi files using a piece of free software called DVD2AVI (I believe you can get it here). Often, it can convert them in a way that appears to be interlaced, but if you set the option to "FILM", that tends to solve the problem (once you have the program, if you have any questions, you can ask me). You can also run your converted file through the famed VirtualDub, which can help correct any other problems you might have with the .avi, including scaling/stretching/resizing/etc. Then, you can edit it all using WMM, and you're in pretty good shape!

Hope this helps! Please let me know if you have any more questions.

Take care,
Sojourn
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I've tried both of those, but I end up with a bunch of artifacting and inexplicable gray screens every few seconds. I'll try setting it up like you said, though. Thanks! I'll keep my fingers crossed!

EDIT: I'm also going to need to crop the picture in places. The Alternate Cantina Sequence is a top-bottom split-screen with the finished version on the BTM CD, so I need to cut out the lower half of the picture*. I'll also need to cut off the letterboxed black space from the few shots of the '06 DVD that I'll be inserting into ANH. While I haven't tinkered with it for very long (having such a time getting the film together and all), I'm not sure if WMM can do that.

*Come to think of it, which freeware screencapture utility should I use? Since ANH's deleted scenes can't be copied off of the disc, I'll have to record it on my computer screen.
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That's weird -- I ripped Episode II successfully using DVD Shrink and DVD2AVI back in the day (i.e. almost two years ago). My only problems were interlacing and aspect ratio -- and back then, I wasn't familiar enough with video to figure out what to do about them. But the movie seemed to convert fine, overall. When I get back to the computer I used for that project, I might look over my settings to see if I did anything special to make it come out well. If I find anything, I'll let you know!

Take care,
Sojourn
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johnboy, turn your PMs on

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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Sorry for the delay. My internet was knocked out. I enabled PMs.
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Well, I hunkered down and got myself a copy of Womble, so the going just got a lot easier. I decided I was going to be sort of anal about including every extra shot I could find, so I need some more help. In the TPM DVD, the establishing shot of the Queen's quarters on Coruscant was lost because of the reinsertion of the air taxi scene. If anyone here happens to have a copy of the Japanese LD, would it be at all possible to post a download of that particular shot? Are there any other such deleted shots not available on the DVD? I also have an issue with RotS. Dooku's line "Don't assume that, just because there are two of you, you have the advantage" was only available in the RotS video game. Is there an easy way to rip that from the Gamecube? Thanks in advance!
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Air Taxi?? Try this..... (15Mb)

It is from a Scandanavian DVB broadcast of TPM from 2001.

Check out the fan DVD Episode III The Video Game - The Movie by Daveytod which might just have the line you seek from the ROTS game.


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From the same Scandanavian DVB broadcast I also have the alternate "Watto Cheers Sebulba" scene and the alternate scene where "Orn Free Taa's Aides" in the Senate were human.

These changes are listed here.

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keep all those in mind Russ, I may have need of them one day

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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Whoa! I didn't notice that you had posted that, russs15! Thanks a bundle! I figured I would just keep the Senator's aids as they are on the DVD. As for Watto's "Sebulba!," though, I thought they left that intact on the DVD's extended podrace lap two deleted scene. Or was that a totally different shot? Damn it, I wish I hadn't thrown away my TPM VHS back in the day. After doing some research, though, I think the shots we are discussing are the only ones unique to the theatrical version. Am I right?

I'm putting the finishing touches on TPM with the scenes reinserted. Once that's finished, I'm going to scour that DVD for tiny snippets that weren't in the main feature. I'm using T'bone's phenomenal Cut Scenes guide as a heads up for what might be there. Unfortunately, most of those articles were completed before the DVD was released, so it doesn't say if they're there or not. So far, there's at least four short clips I'm looking for:

1.) An unfinished CGI shot of Jar Jar eating a clam before seeing the Federation ships moving his way.
2.) Jar Jar knocking over, catching, and trying to balance a series of containers in Watto's shop.
3.) A shot of a Naboo Starfighter spinning out of control (presumably after being hit).
4.) A brief clip from the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Maul lightsaber fight (I might not include this, as their location might be on an alternate path than that shown in the final version).

Again, if I'm missing anything, let me know! This is actually pretty fun.
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1.) An unfinished CGI shot of Jar Jar eating a clam before seeing the Federation ships moving his way.
2.) Jar Jar knocking over, catching, and trying to balance a series of containers in Watto's shop.
3.) A shot of a Naboo Starfighter spinning out of control (presumably after being hit).
4.) A brief clip from the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Maul lightsaber fight (I might not include this, as their location might be on an alternate path than that shown in the final version).

Again, if I'm missing anything, let me know! This is actually pretty fun.


1. I believe this was on the Star Wars Omnibus Special (babyhum release #12)
2. I think this was in the Jar Jar tone poem from the official site
3. and 4. are both in the montage of clips at the end of the TPM documentary on cut scenes. Some have the Rickster talking over them. The spinning fighter shot (although a bit shorter) was also in one of the TPM trailers.
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Good. If I can't find that first shot on the TPM DVD, I'll just get it from the babyhum DVD (of course, I will give full credit to everyone). I think all the tone poems are on the TPM DVD, so it should have that second shot. Well, all that's left is to look through the special features to see what else there may be. I love special features, so this will be enjoyable.
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Actually, the DVD has only 5 of the 7 tone poems.
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Actually, Sluggo, I have a question for you. This is looking a bit into the future, but when it comes to it, can I use the audio from your "Bast is Best" cut scene? You know, where you dubbed in the original lines from the Chief Bast scene over those written for the Holiday Special?
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HAHA! Be my guest. It's not what you would call a good inmpression, but it did the job. My pal Brad and I finished the "Bast is Best" scene at something like two in the morning. We came up with the name of the clip and couldn't stop laughing. Ah, the things that are funny at 2 am.
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Well, people, there's nothing to see here, anymore. Trying to stick everything in there is a lot more complicated than I gave it credit for. There's so many blurred lines between what to include and what not (shots from a documentary camera as opposed to the actual film camera, the use of unfinished computer graphics shots or pre-viz animatics, determining whether said unfinished or pre-viz shots are merely earlier versions of completed shots already in the film, etc.). I'm just going to stick to the finished, provided scenes. It will just be a learning experience for me (and a chance to impress my grandfather, since he likes Star Wars, but never feels compelled to insert the second disc for the deleted scenes). The only thing y'all might be interested in is my ANH cut, but it will basically be an unrecognizably stripped-down version of Deleted Magic.

In continuing my copy-cat spree, I'm going to try my hand at another Phantom of the Opera fan-edit synced to the original voices, as there's some things I would have done differently than in the current release (no disrespect to Wui-Ming Gan).
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Well, I'm back for a question or two.

1.) Is there a better quality video of the Droid Ship Cut Scene from AotC than the one available in Deleted Magic? Just curious.

2.) I'm converting the ZNM files of the ANH deleted scenes into AVI. Any suggestions on which codec I should use?