It's Official: George Lucas hates his fans :P — Page 7

Harmy is rightfully wigged out over suggestions like mine.  I shouldn't have suggested it and don't recommend it.  Sometimes people spend decades in jail before they successfully prove they had no right to be arrested in the first place.  Steer this discussion somewhere else.

Alexrd said:

georgec said:

Guy is delusional beyond comprehension.

http://movies.msn.com/paralleluniverse/george-lucas-talks-star-wars-critics/story/feature/

Sure, George. Mean critics killed your future movies. It had nothing to do with your inflated ego, greed, and arrogance.

When did he ever mentioned critics? It's more like an assumption made by the article about TNYT's one.

Gossip article.

Are you mental?

George has been vocal about critics hurting his feelings for a long, long time. There is no assumption.

Quit trying to start arguments (when you have no argument) and inform yourself.

I don't think independent mom and pop theaters exist in large numbers anymore.

What could be done at something like Celebration to create awareness? (Without getting people in trouble.)

I've never been to one, so I don't know how they compare to other conventions.

georgec said:

Are you mental?

Ad hominem. Very mature...

George has been vocal about critics hurting his feelings for a long, long time. There is no assumption.

Care to show a source? No need, as none's post points out, he doesn't care.

Quit trying to start arguments (when you have no argument) and inform yourself.

You are you to say anything about arguments, when you start posts with "are you mental"?

Alexrd said:

georgec said:

Are you mental?

Ad hominem. Very mature...

George has been vocal about critics hurting his feelings for a long, long time. There is no assumption.

Care to show a source? No need, as none's post points out, he doesn't care.

Quit trying to start arguments (when you have no argument) and inform yourself.

You are you to say anything about arguments, when you start posts with "are you mental"?

Saying he doesn't care about critics doesn't mean he actually doesn't care. It's called downplaying the issue.

I did provide a source to an article. That's good enough. I'm not going to transcribe it here or paraphrase it for you. That you demand I do something I've already done does make me question your aptitude.

We all remember the old story when the press asked Lucas in 2004 why he didn’t just release the original films alongside the Special Editions:

“The special edition, that’s the one I wanted out there,”

“The other movie, it’s on VHS, if anybody wants it… to me, it doesn’t really exist anymore. It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be.”

So were is this completed film, has anyone seen it yet? He's at least sorry that we fell in love with a "half completed film." There's no riddle that hate surrounds this mans actions, ever since that statement he has continually provoked old fans of his and film enthusiasts. It's great that the NYTimes article paints us as ungrateful childs and enemies, and totally miss the point.

I think what zombie pointed out is one of the main issues we're not taken seriously, those who continue to buy every new product and go and see them multiple times and then endlessly bitch about it. The issue is that the original films aren't restored, not that Vader screams Nooooo in the latest edit of Jedi. But I guess it's also more complicated than that, as it is the only product available in modern format, and not everyone has the disinterest or power to stay away from it. It kind of goes hand in hand.

As Mike.O said, this Lucas' insanity is not only about SW, THX 1138 is more severily altered than any Star Wars film. The original theatrical cuts and 1978 re-releases of THX 1138 and American Graffiti are suppressed. This clearly displays a man that is totally hell-bent on gettin rid of all the original work of his and at the same time he is on the board of directors for The Film Foundation.

georgec said:

Saying he doesn't care about critics doesn't mean he actually doesn't care. It's called downplaying the issue.

Because you are the one who decides what Lucas means with what he says, right?

I did provide a source to an article. That's good enough. I'm not going to transcribe it here or paraphrase it for you. That you demand I do something I've already done does make me question your aptitude.

No, the article is not a source. The article makes a baseless assumption. Otherwise it would have shown a quote with the source.

Bingowings said:

Out of curiosity have accolades like the Academy Awards (R) both actual and nominations ever been used on SE promotional materials (and I include the SEs for THX-1138 etc here)?

If the award winning elements aren't in the presentation surely evoking them would breach some trades description law?

 don't recall ever seeing the oscars on any of the vhs releases prior to 1997.

probably cuz it was not necessary.  pretty obvious that all three of the OOT movies won oscars for best viz, sound, etc. 

whats not as funny is that many casual movie goers wrongly assume the PT won oscars, when ROTS wasnt even nominated for visual effects (god, I lmao when that happened).

your question goes with my earlier suggestion that if lucas insists the films were 'rough cuts' the oscars and nominations should be vacated.  and all box office grosses start from 1997 onward. 

The Academy Awards and nominations has actually been used on the cover on several video releases of both Star Wars and American Graffiti in the past, I don't think it has ever been on any SE product of SW though.

I'm curious to know if Lucas now completely owns his earlier films just like he now owns the original Star Wars. Maybe the copyrights on those covers tells us something...

walking_carpet said:

your question goes with my earlier suggestion that if lucas insists the films were 'rough cuts' the oscars and nominations should be vacated.  and all box office grosses start from 1997 onward. 

Not even that, the 1997 version was apparently also only a 'rough cut' and so was the DVD version, so they should only count the Blu-Rays.

Alexrd said:

Because you are the one who decides what Lucas means with what he says, right?

And you're the one who decides?

So you think George always says the truth? Like how he's changed his story multiple times about why he "can't" restore the UOT? And you're saying there's never been a difference between what he says/does?

You should give up your childhood ideal of him being the benevolent creator of Star Wars. He is a shrewd businessman.

Baronlando said:

THX1138 is actually the worst, most blatant example of revisionist history for any movie I've ever seen, it's comical how actively misleading the presentation is.

Yeah, the accompanying documentary is Lucas revisionism at its finest. This is the only making of info I know about:  http://www.awn.com/articles/people/back-future-ithx-1138i/page/1%2C1 

zombie84 said:

Lucas says he doesn't care about critics, but with the onslaught that Episode I brought he pretty much has to say that, to save face. He's human and we all know if a human being was in his position and there was so many people saying he is a terrible director and writer, and his fans are even making websites and petitions to get him to stop, that has to hurt. And in fact he has admitted this, under the properly candid conditions. But what can the man do? All he can do is basically try to roll with it and say, "well, who cares about their opinion anyway." But he hears his critics, and he knows, sort of, what they are saying. Lucas makes these films for an audience, contrary to what he says ("I make them for myself"--no you don't George, you make them for an audience and you make great pains to the best of your ability to ensure the audience enjoys the film within the context of your storytelling goals). I'm quoting the exchange below from memory but I'm pretty sure this is verbatim:

Leslie Stahl: When critics go after your directing, your writing--it has to hurt.

George Lucas: Oh it hurts. It always hurts. It hurts a great deal. But part of directing is that you get attacked, sometimes in very personal ways. [goes on to his green-house/white-house analogy]

And of course, Lucas dropped out Jar Jar Binks almost entirely for the following two films when he was a main character in Episode I. Some people say, "oh, his part in the story was done, where would he fit in Ep. II/III". But please, really? You don't think if Jar Jar had been the hit Lucas was hoping that he would find a place for him? He didn't have a place at all in the prequels for the droids, but he forced them in deliberately because of fans, because their characters were hits. Same with Boba Fett, and half the other OT references (Han Solo was even in the first draft of Episode III). In fact, Lucas outlines to ILM artists that critics complained the Episode I Yoda looked fake, even though he was technically more advanced than in 1980, and so it was really important to make Episode II Yoda match the originals.

Lucas not only listens to his critics, but he sometimes changes the films to please them. But he tries to save face, he's stubborn and doesn't want to seem like he was "wrong" so he denies that critics/audiences matter, that he makes the films only the way he wants. But nobody that is human or in the business of storytelling would believe that. And contrary to the brave front he pretty much has to put up, for the sake of his own dignity--the sting of critics hurts a great deal and that's why he tries not to put a lot of attention on them. But he still does care on some level about what they say. He's well aware of things, whether it is online gusher-basher wars, fan edits, or what the media is reporting. His rather advanced state of knowledge about all of this alone shows that he does keep tabs on all of these things. And of course in the link that inspired this he says he doesn't want to make more Star Wars because they just receive criticism. If he didn't listen to critics or fans or whathaveyou then why would that matter? But it does matter, he not only has bitterness over the criticism he gets, but it's so severe that it's discouraging him from the idea of making more films.

Thank you for this thoughtful, well-written post.

It's funny that Lucas apologists like Alexrd still cling to this notion of Lucas, the Hollywood Antihero, who doesn't care what people say about him. Then Lucas comes out and says he's done with the business (that in itself is obviously not true, just a marketing ploy to convince people to see TPM in 3D and give him more money to keep making SW crap).

The impressionable apologists will take whatever Lucas says and use it to cry foul when someone criticizes the man. But, when Lucas says something that actually supports arguments against him, the apologists will say that people aren't interpreting what he said correctly. Which one is it? He means what he says or he says what he doesn't mean?

Lucas is more or less a pathological liar.

He whines about not being able to get funding for an all-black movie. Tell me, then, how young, lesser accomplished directors like John Singleton (Boyz n the Hood) or Spike Lee were able to secure funding for all-black or multicultural films in the late 80s and early 90s? Sure, those weren't blockbuster action films, but George complains that Hollywood producers didn't see a market for an all-black movie. Maybe because the producers read the script and thought it was shitty?

George is a chronic complainer. He has a "nobody appreciates me" complex. When one excuse becomes refuted or disproven, he generates another. He is quite inconsistent.

Alexrd will be here soon to post more straw man arguments because he has an unhealthy obsession with doing so whenever someone (mainly me) criticizes Georgie.

georgec said:

Alexrd said:

Because you are the one who decides what Lucas means with what he says, right?

And you're the one who decides?

No, I never claimed that.

So you think George always says the truth? Like how he's changed his story multiple times about why he "can't" restore the UOT? And you're saying there's never been a difference between what he says/does?

You should give up your childhood ideal of him being the benevolent creator of Star Wars. He is a shrewd businessman.

Stop using straw men, please. It only shows your big lack of arguments and a very childish attitude.

georgec said:

It's funny that Lucas apologists like Alexrd

So, now that you can't refute my arguments, you call me a "Lucas apologist".

Alexrd will be here soon to post more straw man arguments because he has an unhealthy obsession with doing so

No, but the same can be said about you, as your posts have proven.

To me, it seems like a very childish attitude to come to a forum where the vast majority of people don't like something or someone and make it your personal crusade to retort whenever someone says something against the thing/person people don't like there. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you're here because you want the original version of SW released, I just find it amusing how you always seem to pop up every time someone says something bad against the prequels.

Harmy said:

To me, it seems like a very childish attitude to come to a forum where the vast majority of people don't like something or someone and make it your personal crusade to retort whenever someone says something against the thing/person people don't like there.

That doesn't apply to me. I don't make personal crusades against anyone, but I do criticize and question when people make baseless rants and assumptions. Specially when we are at a time where some members here seem to care about what other people think about this community and want to be taken seriously. Attitudes like the ones shown by georgec don't help at all and only help loosing credibility and gaining a bad reputation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you're here because you want the original version of SW released, I just find it amusing how you always seem to pop up every time someone says something bad against the prequels.

But I don't do that. If you go back to my original post, that can be easily proven:

Alexrd said:

georgec said:

Guy is delusional beyond comprehension.

http://movies.msn.com/paralleluniverse/george-lucas-talks-star-wars-critics/story/feature/

Sure, George. Mean critics killed your future movies. It had nothing to do with your inflated ego, greed, and arrogance.

When did he ever mentioned critics? It's more like an assumption made by the article about TNYT's one.

Gossip article.

Exactly, it's obvious georgec was talking about the critics of the prequels and that interview zombie cited came to my mind almost instantly and I believe that what georgec says is right, George did basically say in the NYT interview that he wouldn't make any more STAR WARS movies, because people were criticising the prequels.

Harmy said:

Exactly, it's obvious georgec was talking about the critics of the prequels and that interview zombie cited came to my mind almost instantly and I believe that what georgec says is right, George did basically say in the NYT interview that he wouldn't make any more STAR WARS movies, because people were criticising the prequels.

No, and I'll post the full quote:

“Why would I make any more,” Lucas says of the “Star Wars” movies, “when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?”

It has nothing to do with film critics.