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But you think they're rather fine, which makes me lift my eyebrow to say the least :D
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Jon Voight's orbs or the PT?
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Double in quality, double in tender.
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OzoneSherrif said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Okay, I've been wondering something ... is there a derogatory term for Gungans?
Goongas
And "Naboobians" for the Naboo.
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He nailed it here:
"The problem isn’t just that they’ve seen Star Wars, the problem is that they all act as if they are in a Star Wars movie. They act like every word is canonical. Every action and plot device is important. Geeks will pore over details for decades to come. Except that the movies all suck, so we won’t."
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I don't think it should matter that actors have seen the OT. It should be up to the director to put a damper on any over acting.
I didn't think the acting was completely horrible either. I'm not a fan of the prequels but I do think that Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor did a decent job.
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I thought the acting was universally horrendous, but I don't blame the actors. No matter how good an actor is, they need good material, a clear vision of their role, and be given guidance and context by the director. That so many good actors could give such utterly wooden performances speaks of bad script, bad direction, and a general lethargy that must have permeated the whole moviemaking experience.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
I thought the acting was universally horrendous, but I don't blame the actors. No matter how good an actor is, they need good material, a clear vision of their role, and be given guidance and context by the director. That so many good actors could give such utterly wooden performances speaks of bad script, bad direction, and a general lethargy that must have permeated the whole moviemaking experience.
That's very true. If you see good actors, acting poorly it's usually the director's fault. Not that Neeson or McGregor are great actors, but they've certainly been in better movies.
I guess I think those two did well because they played "Jedi" better than I imagine other actors would. Honestly who would do a better job? It's strange to think of big name actors playing that kind of role and actors like Ben Affleck would be beyond horrible.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
I thought the acting was universally horrendous, but I don't blame the actors. No matter how good an actor is, they need good material, a clear vision of their role, and be given guidance and context by the director. That so many good actors could give such utterly wooden performances speaks of bad script, bad direction, and a general lethargy that must have permeated the whole moviemaking experience.
If you had put Christopher Walken somewhere in there, do you think a bad script would've made him boring?
Did the memorable performance by McDiarmid (not so much in Clones, imo) have to do with the fact that his character was the only one Lucas had a connection to? Or because the actors made it on his own?
Having that said, some musicians are put off by a bad instrument, or co-players, others say "fuck it" and manage to produce something awesome out of it.
I've heard Art Tatum made horrendous pianos sound good.
So it goes both ways, I just wanted to point that out.
Neeson and McDonald were okay. Sometimes entertaining, sometimes very boring, but never really off-puttingly artificial like lots (but not all) of the moments with VINH or Her Highness.
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I remember Portman saying when TPM came out that she hadn't seen any of the films and only watched them when she was cast in TPM.
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Darth Bizarro said:
The prequels didn't ruin the original trilogy. If you don't like them, then don't watch them. It's as simple as that. Alien 3 doesn't ruin Aliens for me, because I don't watch it. I don't let the Jaws sequels ruin Jaws for me nor do I let the Matrix sequels ruin The Matrix.
While I agree with your arguments, don't forget that you can't watch the original trilogy in good quality without at least some bits of prequels inside (Hayden in EP6 for example). So I think I can understand someone saying that the prequels ruins the OT for him. It's not just the fact the prequels exist, it's the fact they are now mixed with the OT.
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LexX said:
I remember Portman saying when TPM came out that she hadn't seen any of the films and only watched them when she was cast in TPM.
There is no doubt in my mind that Portman only agreed to the films because she and her parents thought it would be good for her career. She seemed to have zero interest in the themes and magic of the original trilogy.
I think she is also somewhat overrated as an actress. She does not have the unlimited range of the truly great actors/actresses. She excels at playing two types; waifs and jail-bait.
Were there not rumours that Lucas seriously considered replacing her with Keira Knightly for ROTS?
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Oh no, now hating on Nat?
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TV's Frink said:
Oh no, now hating on Nat?
:-(
Not hating. Sometimes she is very good. She just does not seem (IMHO) to have the unlimited range that some "Nat gushers" ascribe to her.
Mmmm. Nat gushers.
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theprequelsrule said:
Mmmm. Nat gushers.
lol
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theprequelsrule said:
She excels at playing two types; waifs and jail-bait.
Wut?
Did you see Garden State? Did you see Black Swan?
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TV's Frink said:
theprequelsrule said:
She excels at playing two types; waifs and jail-bait.Wut?
Did you see Garden State? Did you see Black Swan?
Yes. She plays waif types in both those films.
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I guess we just have different ideas of what a waif is.
*shrug*
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Nah Frink, I'm just being a jerk. I'm bitter about her performance in the prequels, since she was very impressive in her prior films. I think I was more disappointed in her than MacGregor or Neeson.
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theprequelsrule said:
I think I was more disappointed in her than MacGregor or Neeson.
Definitely agree with that. But I think she delivered exactly what George asked for.
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TV's Frink said:
theprequelsrule said:
I think I was more disappointed in her than MacGregor or Neeson.
Definitely agree with that. But I think she delivered exactly what George asked for.
*resigned sigh of a disappointed Star Wars fan*
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theprequelsrule said:
TV's Frink said:
theprequelsrule said:
She excels at playing two types; waifs and jail-bait.Wut?
Did you see Garden State? Did you see Black Swan?
Yes. She plays waif types in both those films.
I quirky mentally handicapped receptionis and an obsessive possibly psychotic dancer are waif types?
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TheBoost said:
theprequelsrule said:
TV's Frink said:
theprequelsrule said:
She excels at playing two types; waifs and jail-bait.Wut?
Did you see Garden State? Did you see Black Swan?
Yes. She plays waif types in both those films.
I quirky mentally handicapped receptionis and an obsessive possibly psychotic dancer are waif types?
"I do not think that word means what you think it means."
It's less her roles, than the manner she seems to play them - always vulnerable, the puppy-dog eyes etc. But, that's how she earns her bread...and then some.
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Ewan hated episode 1 and 2 but said the 3 one was good.
I disagree but that is his opinion.
The third could have been good without overacting by the Emperor, make the duel less ridiculous on mustafar and make the turn to the darkside make sense.
Also if you did not have a sense of them ticking things off on a list to connect it to the original trilogy as if paint by numbers, they could have still linked them in an interesting way by being more subtle. The only thing i think was done well was when the helmet comes down on Anakin and He is Masked as Vader. And the sunset on tatooine. The Frankenstein scene was horrible, we did not have to see Yoda land on dagobah it could have been implied.
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skyjedi2005 said:
...we did not have to see Yoda land on dagobah it could have been implied.
That's a deleted scene from the DVD. It never appeared in the movie.