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It's a thought, anyway. ;-)
Info: another 16mm print of SW on eBay — Page 2
It's a thought, anyway. ;-)
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This is all very exciting! :)
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Dunedain said:
Puggo: Would it be possible to replace the lens you have now with an anamorphic one, if someone could loan you one for this project, so the print could be captured in an anamorphic resolution/aspect ratio (not sure what the correct technical term here is), and thus be anamorphically enhanced on the eventual DVD transfer?
Puggo: Would it be possible to replace the lens you have now with an anamorphic one, if someone could loan you one for this project, so the print could be captured in an anamorphic resolution/aspect ratio (not sure what the correct technical term here is), and thus be anamorphically enhanced on the eventual DVD transfer?
I believe not. Check out www.moviestuff.tv and look up the 16mm Workprinter. I doubt that an anamorphic lens is compatible with the large projection lens positioned after it. The best I can do is capture the entire image full frame (which would be vertically stretched, I believe), and then change the aspect ratio in post. Thus one dimension would be full resolution, and the other wouldn't. It still should look pretty good... I'd have to learn how best to encode for anamorphic playback. I'm sure there are people here who could help me with that.
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I think an anamorphic movie is stretched horizontally (made wider) by the lens. An anamorphic DVD is compressed vertically (made shorter) to show the black bars.
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You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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We were told that's why the 2006 Star Wars unaltered trilogy DVD set would not be anamorphically enhanced, because it was being taken from a source (the laserdisk master) that hadn't had an anamorphic transfer from the film print in the first place. But maybe that's not the same thing as what we are talking about here.
Perhaps one of the film transfer specialists here can help explain this. :)
From what Puggo is saying, the vertical resolution will be full, which, if I recall correctly, is the most important thing. So that's great news. :) And the aspect ratio can then be adjusted so that's it's correct, no vertical stretching and so on. :)
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I was very blatant about what film specifically I was talking about getting transferred, and we spoke extensively about the copyright infringement aspects of what we were doing. The only concern was that they saw how they could be "profiting" off of the transfer, but assured me that the international copyright agreement pretty much had nothing to say about what we were doing, especially because it's for educational purposes. Basically, they agree with our "own the official stuff" code of ethics, and are more than willing to participate in helping us preserve the film.
I can get it transferred, and provide copies to anyone who wishes to do some digital clean-up work, stabilization, IVTC work, color correction, or what have you. The only question is whether we would like to transfer the one on eBay (granted we even win it), or if maybe Puggo's lead would feel comfortable with their copy getting transferred by somebody else besides Puggo.
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PaulisDead2221 said:
I went into a video productions service place near where I live. They will do a 16mm tele-cine of the film if I bring it in. They can capture it on an HDV tape, and provide a 1080i transfer of the film stock on the tape. In addition, they will supply an mpeg2 of the capture if I bring in some portable media to put it on (ie several DL DVDs, external hard drive, etc). They will leave it untouched, and just do a clean, straight transfer of the film. They can also capture the audio and provide it in 32 bit float wav format. The cost would be 15 cents a foot of film. Star Wars should be--like--2300 feet or so I believe.
I was very blatant about what film specifically I was talking about getting transferred, and we spoke extensively about the copyright infringement aspects of what we were doing. The only concern was that they saw how they could be "profiting" off of the transfer, but assured me that the international copyright agreement pretty much had nothing to say about what we were doing, especially because it's for educational purposes. Basically, they agree with our "own the official stuff" code of ethics, and are more than willing to participate in helping us preserve the film.
I went into a video productions service place near where I live. They will do a 16mm tele-cine of the film if I bring it in. They can capture it on an HDV tape, and provide a 1080i transfer of the film stock on the tape. In addition, they will supply an mpeg2 of the capture if I bring in some portable media to put it on (ie several DL DVDs, external hard drive, etc). They will leave it untouched, and just do a clean, straight transfer of the film. They can also capture the audio and provide it in 32 bit float wav format. The cost would be 15 cents a foot of film. Star Wars should be--like--2300 feet or so I believe.
I was very blatant about what film specifically I was talking about getting transferred, and we spoke extensively about the copyright infringement aspects of what we were doing. The only concern was that they saw how they could be "profiting" off of the transfer, but assured me that the international copyright agreement pretty much had nothing to say about what we were doing, especially because it's for educational purposes. Basically, they agree with our "own the official stuff" code of ethics, and are more than willing to participate in helping us preserve the film.
WOW. That would be freaking amazing. if it happened. I've always wanted to see something like this happen.
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The auction ends in 2 days I think- better hurry and decide!
Too bad nobody here got that scope ROTJ print that was up for auction a while back-
it's not likely we'll see another one of those anytime soon.
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Puggo: This print you have access to, other than the fact that it has A New Hope in the title, is the visual quality of the print better than the one up for auction? The opening title can be used from existing sources that don't have A New Hope in them, if need be. It's the visual quality of the movie that really matters. :)
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Dunedain said:
PaulisDead2221: That sounds like a dream 16mm transfer. A full 1080 scan would mean a superb dual layer DVD could be made from it. Plus a full HD version could be made, too. :) Would that scan be at 1920x1080 at 24 frames per second?
PaulisDead2221: That sounds like a dream 16mm transfer. A full 1080 scan would mean a superb dual layer DVD could be made from it. Plus a full HD version could be made, too. :) Would that scan be at 1920x1080 at 24 frames per second?
Well HDV (according to Wikipedia) is capable of capturing 24 frames per second, and capable of either 720p or 1080i, so I believe 24 fps goodness in 1080i is what we can look forward to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV
Here's a link for anyone who'd like to know more about how the film will be stored if we win the print. I didn't know that HDV was just DV with compressed HD video on it, I was a little wary at first, but considering the bit-rate will be close to 20 Mbit/s, it should look great.
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PaulisDead2221 said:
I went into a video productions service place near where I live. They will do a 16mm tele-cine of the film if I bring it in. They can capture it on an HDV tape, and provide a 1080i transfer of the film stock on the tape.
I went into a video productions service place near where I live. They will do a 16mm tele-cine of the film if I bring it in. They can capture it on an HDV tape, and provide a 1080i transfer of the film stock on the tape.
Make sure they're doing a frame-by-frame transfer, and not just pointing a camera at a projection. Most transfer houses don't do frame-by-frame because it's considerably slower and thus less cost-effective.
If you guys do get the film, I'd certainly like a shot at it. Since I'd be doing it as a "fan", and not as a business, I'd likely put more time into transferring each scene as best I could, rather than just letting it run and walking away to do other jobs.
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FWIW, I wouldn't make a big deal out of this. If we could get Empire and Jedi as well, we'd have HD versions of all the original films.
If Lucasfilm finds out what has happened, they may be even more aggressive about getting up all of these prints.
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digitalfreaknyc said:
I'd be interested.
FWIW, I wouldn't make a big deal out of this. If we could get Empire and Jedi as well, we'd have HD versions of all the original films.
If Lucasfilm finds out what has happened, they may be even more aggressive about getting up all of these prints.
I'd be interested.
FWIW, I wouldn't make a big deal out of this. If we could get Empire and Jedi as well, we'd have HD versions of all the original films.
If Lucasfilm finds out what has happened, they may be even more aggressive about getting up all of these prints.
how long have prints been out there?
and how long have people been making telecines/scans/etc?
i would hardly think they would start 'cracking down' just
because a lone 16 (not 35mm) print got out, and people
were playing around with it..
anyways, i'm keeping an eye on the auction, and it hasn't
moved much yet....i guess in the next couple of days
we'll know..
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You can go about your business. Move along, move along.
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negative1 said:
how long have prints been out there?
and how long have people been making telecines/scans/etc?
i would hardly think they would start 'cracking down' just
because a lone 16 (not 35mm) print got out, and people
were playing around with it..
anyways, i'm keeping an eye on the auction, and it hasn't
moved much yet....i guess in the next couple of days
we'll know..
later
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how long have prints been out there?
and how long have people been making telecines/scans/etc?
i would hardly think they would start 'cracking down' just
because a lone 16 (not 35mm) print got out, and people
were playing around with it..
anyways, i'm keeping an eye on the auction, and it hasn't
moved much yet....i guess in the next couple of days
we'll know..
later
-1
I dunno man. You tell me. If so many prints are out there and so many people are doing what we're trying to do, then why are we trying to do it in the first place? Shouldn't we just be trying to get a copy from one of the apparently "many" people that have done this before?
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digitalfreaknyc said:
I dunno man. You tell
me. If so many prints are out there and so many people are doing what we're trying to do, then why are we trying to do it in the first place? Shouldn't we just be trying to get a copy from one of the apparently "many" people that have done this before?
I dunno man. You tell
me. If so many prints are out there and so many people are doing what we're trying to do, then why are we trying to do it in the first place? Shouldn't we just be trying to get a copy from one of the apparently "many" people that have done this before?
good point, i've been keeping an eye on these boards for the last
couple of years, so i figured something might have come up by now...
but i guess not? maybe its just a case of timing/technology coming together.
also, it depends on the community...since there are so many projects
going on.......(some have completed), the vinyl restoration ones,
the 8mm versions, the multiple laserdisc conversions (and the upcoming
XO one)....the many, many dvd/hd/1080p versions..
really, what is left? i'm not sure...but isn't getting this version, still
considered rather 'niche'? i don't see hardly as much activity concerning
this version (or at least going by number of posts)..compared to the
more visible re-edits/fan edits....which is fine.....since almost EVERYONE
has seen this movie, and this would be another restoration/preservation..
that being said, i'm sure there's got to be some private owners that have
their own versions/conversions made/done...and of course due to copyrights
have kept it private......maybe the owners are rich/indifferent/waiting for
the right time.....but in this case, i see a community here that shares,
and even puggo said he has access to another print.....so it's just a mattter
of time before one shows up..
finally, YES, like i indicated earlier, the price =$380 with 1 day left,
and as indicated will go up....so i will be bidding on it....i'm not sure
who the other bidders are (cause ebay doesn't show their ids anymore),
or how high it will go...but i do have a semi-fixed amount i will not
go over... IF and that's a big IF someone here on the board gets it,
i will definitely donate to the cause.....the bidding ends tomorrow around
noon (my time)...so i'll come back at lunchtime and check on it..(i do
have a proxy bid setup in case)...
later
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The goal, of course, is to be able to put together, after preservation/restoration techniques have been applied, a dual-layer DVD of Star Wars that will easily surpass the 2006 DVD set (GOUT) in terms of resolution and general clarity and picture quality. And if we have a full DVD resolution or even HD resolution scan of a print, that will allow the preservation/restoration specialists on this forum to do just that. :)
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If negative1 is going to be doing the most intense bidding on this print, then I suggest anyone that want's to kick in to help pay for the print get a hold him right away and tell him how much you'll send him to help pay for the print. This way he will know how much he can bid and we'll have one bidder out there with enough money to put on the print that we are very likely to win. :)
So let's figure out one guy, either negative1 or another of the posters, that will represent the forums here and let that one guy go all out on the bidding for the print, with several forum members backing him with donations. This will give us the best chance to win the print. If we spread the bidding out among ourselves, we'll never be able to bid as much as one guy bidding for all of us, so to speak. We have to hurry on this, there isn't much time left. :)
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