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msycamore said:
The IP/IN used for home video from '82 up to '92 is edited together in both small and large chunks with mid-reel changes which results in many frames tossed, a real glue-party.
A weird thing - the 1991 UK LBX VHS used a very similar source (even converted from NTSC rather than being a 1:1 25fps native PAL transfer), but there aren't as many visible cement blobs, and far fewer of those weird dark spots in some of the Cantina/Falcon scenes. There are some, but they're less noticeable.
Actually, since the ratio shrinks at every reel change, it may just be the SWE transfer - I know I did a comparison where I claimed there were no glue marks at the reel change when it cuts from Ben and Vader to Han and Chewie in the doorway, but I looked at Russ' VHS capture with the gamma turned up, and they are there, they're just not AS visible, due to it being a lossy AVI conversion of a DVD recorder capture of a VHS tape, rather than a capture of a laserdisc.
And though ITV version doesn't have the "liquid blobs", it does have the glue marks too - but strangely enough, I don't see any at the shot where it cuts from Ben/Vader to Han/Chewie. Not sure why, maybe that frame was dropped? Were the IP reels cemented together into a platter at some point after the ITV version was made? I don't think the 1982 rental transfer has blobs at that point either, and that one also has the glue marks at all the other cuts during the lightsaber duel. Russ' 1989 UK PAL VHS has the glue marks at the reel change...we need to check all home transfers to see what the earliest one was to have glue marks at THAT particular cut.
And unfortunately, all bootlegs from the "cloudy" source are cropped on the top and bottom so you can't see if there are glue marks.
The presence of the original '77 flyover in the ITV leads me to believe that going back to the first 1982 transfer, the crawl, flyover and end credits were always from a different source than the rest of the film. (For those who don't know, the ITV version has a crossfade from the squeezed EpIV crawl to the cropped '77 pan-down.)
The IP/IN that was first seen used for the '92 NTSC Letterbox VHS / Technidisc SWE LD release and subsequent THX releases (GOUT) is most likely an theatrical IP or IN, battered from making countless of prints, contains the theatrical timing, albeit severely pink faded in many instances and further removed from it when it was tweaked in post to counteract it.
I'm still wondering if this was the same IP/IN used for the French LBX LD in 1989, or if that was just a similar IP. Andrea had told me that transfer didn't have the orange errors, but marvins' capture of the intro (posted in the French OT preservation thread) shows that they ARE there. And also remember, in the '92 transfer, it switches to the older transfer for the Greedo scene - there is also a source switch at the same point on the French LD. So both IP/INs (if they're not the same one) must have had the burned-in English subs.
I still have a theory that the unsubbed "first-gen" IP wasn't the main GOUT source, but was only used for the Greedo scene. Is there any visible evidence of a source change?
