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Info Wanted: What is the best Episode 4 Edit to incorporate deleted footage?

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I am losing track with all the SW edits. What is the best ANH edit that utilizes the Biggs footage, Anchorhead, etc… into the film?

Also has anyone seen that edit from that guy in Germany where he went as far as creating footage for his SW ANH edit? His name is escapes me at the moment. He has a website that even includes trailers of his edits.

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The thing you are looking for is Ocpmovie's great edit Deleted Magic
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
The thing you are looking for is Ocpmovie's great edit Deleted Magic


I do have that. While it is fantastic. I was thinking more of a straight forward movie version.

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You mean Bernd Dötzer.
Here you can view trailers of his films. He has made new scenes himself with action figures and so on, used footage from the Interactive Video game and of course the deleted scenes from Behind the Magic.
He is the one who inspired me to make my own edit of the Star Wars episodes, so thanks to him .

Sadly, there is no way to watch his movie in full lenght (expect if you go to Germany, in april there's a showing of his film at a fan meeting.
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Where can you view trailers of his film?

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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
Where can you view trailers of his film?




Try here...

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Ups, I deleted the link in my post.

Ep. 1 Trailers:
http://www.starwars-union.de/vonfansfuerfans/fanwerke/bdfc/tpm/video/E1-BDFC-Demo-klein.wmv
http://www.starwars-union.de/vonfansfuerfans/fanwerke/bdfc/tpm/video/E1-BDFC-Trailer-high.wmv

Ep. II Videos:
http://www.starwars-union.de/vonfansfuerfans/fanwerke/bdfc/aotc/video/E2-BDFC-Detail02.mpg
http://www.starwars-union.de/vonfansfuerfans/fanwerke/bdfc/aotc/video/E2-BDFC-Detail03.mpg

Ep. IV Trailers:
http://www.starwars-union.de/vonfansfuerfans/fanwerke/bdfc/anh/trailer/swbdfc_trailer_sm.wmv
http://www.starwars-union.de/vonfansfuerfans/fanwerke/bdfc/anh/trailer/swbdfc_trailer_2004.wmv
http://www.starwars-union.de/vonfansfuerfans/fanwerke/bdfc/anh/trailer/E4-BDFCSpot.wmv

Hope this helps.
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Sweet! Thanks for the links, guys! These are some pretty radical changes, especially to ANH.

Does anyone have a copy of any of these, or is this one of those where the creator won't release it?


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Last I heard, Bernd Dötzer hasn't released it. It would be interesting to see all of his changes together on one tape, but some of the changes are pretty radical, so I don't think I would be watching it for anything other than reference. I think a more refined hand should tackle the changes, someone like Darth Editous. Or Opcmovie. Anything those guys touches turns to gold.
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What changes seem to radical for you?
I mean, basically he has just reinserted deleted footage and shortened some existing scenes. And for the footage he created himself I really admire him .

And no, he won't release his edits.
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It's just my opinion, of course, but some of his re-creations were just too artificial, if you take my meaning, sir. Footage from the Hasbro Interactice Game just didn't fit. I think it is a great idea in theory, just not when I was expecting maybe something a little more finished. But I guess you have to do the best with what you have.
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Okay, Sluggo's posted so I will.

Doetzer's edits are as fascinating as they are silly. He's got some fun ideas, which are very entertaining to watch and the kind you'd get from listening to the radio drama while high. It's a lot of nonsense bearing no resemblance to the original Star Wars script, yet watchable.


I (with the vast help and research of Sluggo and others) worked as thoughtfully as I could to slap deleted and making of footage into the film in an entertaining manner. None of the deleted footage is finished or in releasable quality, and it's all quite silly, so it was necessary to give the film a more documentary/comedic tone.

I am offended when someone asks "What is the best Episode 4 Edit to incorporate deleted footage?" and then adds, "Oh yeah, besides that."

The Biggs footage can't be put into a straightforward movie version because it's crap quality and hasn't been released in the same quality and etc etc etc etc etc.

This is as close as you'd want to get. And yeah, I do feel slightly insulted.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Okay, Sluggo's posted so I will.

Doetzer's edits are as fascinating as they are silly. He's got some fun ideas, which are very entertaining to watch and the kind you'd get from listening to the radio drama while high. It's a lot of nonsense bearing no resemblance to the original Star Wars script, yet watchable.


I (with the vast help and research of Sluggo and others) worked as thoughtfully as I could to slap deleted and making of footage into the film in an entertaining manner. None of the deleted footage is finished or in releasable quality, and it's all quite silly, so it was necessary to give the film a more documentary/comedic tone.

I am offended when someone asks "What is the best Episode 4 Edit to incorporate deleted footage?" and then adds, "Oh yeah, besides that."

The Biggs footage can't be put into a straightforward movie version because it's crap quality and hasn't been released in the same quality and etc etc etc etc etc.

This is as close as you'd want to get. And yeah, I do feel slightly insulted.


I wanted to say that I in no way meant to insult you. So please accept my apology. Don't forget I provided footage for your edit. And I show it all the time to friends.

I have a buddy who I wanted to show an extended cut of ANH to. He isn't a die hard SW fan like myself or the rest of us. He has seen some of DM when he was over my place but wants something more basic. It doesn't matter if the footage doesn't match the quality of the released material. It is just to get a feel for some missing scenes and how they would have fit into the film. So my intentions were for him.

So to change my request. If I am looking for a version of ANH containing deleted scenes that is not done with a "documentary/comedic" tone what would I be looking for?

And just to mention there have been a number of edits I have seen that utilize footage of lesser quality. In many cases that is all that is available. And these edits are not intended for wide official release anyway so who cares. Actually Fox's extended version of Alien 3 in their box set includes footage of lesser quality even to the extent that the audio is near inaudible and requires subs to find out what they are saying. So if studios can do it why can't fan editors?




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In addition I will be very careful in the future to use the term "fantastic" to describe someone's edit. I don't want it to be taken the wrong way.
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EDIT: sorry, wrong thread!
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Yeah, I know what you meant. I know you like the DM, and you were helpful, and all that ... it's just .... still annoying.



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I guess it's not anger at you specifically. I just feel burned sometimes. There have been polls here which essentially said, what is the best fan edit out there, besides Garrett's. What is the best original trilogy DVD out there, besides Garrett's. I didn't wind up being included in the fan edit contest, it just gets annoying sometimes and this felt like more of the same.

Most or all of these were done by accident rather than intent. No one meant any harm, but they kind of piled up recently and made me feel like part of the club of NoHomers. Which is my fault for being easily offended I guess. Anyway.


I know you meant no harm by it so I'm gonna stop being a dick and be helpful here.


Alien 3 is one thing - that footage was at least VHS quality, and I think it was significantly better than that. The Biggs scenes are .... they're web quality, circa 1999. It's not at a normal frame rate (or indeed any constant frame rate), the compression is ridiculous, etc.


But if you wanted to see them integrated in the film, that would be possible of course. I don't think anyone has done it properly, certainly not done it well, but it would be possible ...

Deleted Magic puts them in the right place in the film with wipes etc, but you couldn't use them straight from Deleted Magic, since it isn't anamorphic widescreen. Still, that would be a very good guide. You'd want to take my Jabba scene from Return of the Ewok, even if it isn't anamorphic ... the work I had to do on Jabba was insanely complex ...

They could be cut into the 2004 DVD. No one has done this.


Anyone who wants to try, it would be an interesting project. You can take some other deleted scenes/ideas from Deleted Magic, there's a lot to choose from.

Eh.
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Garrett, you should never feel like a NoHomer - your sterling examples of fan editing are widely viewed and highly commended. Think of those exclusions as ultimate compliments.
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LOL. Yeah, I guess I just have issues. No hard feelings, guys.
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Originally posted by: THX
Garrett, you should never feel like a NoHomer - your sterling examples of fan editing are widely viewed and highly commended. Think of those exclusions as ultimate compliments.


Well said.

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Deleted Magic is the best thing to come out of Star Wars Fan Productions ever, period.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Thanks guys. Check out Jamie Benning's Building Empire, it's ace.


Aaaanyway, back on subject. Would someone be interested in doing this kind of edit for our friend Rijir here?
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I myself am contemplating a "virtual" lost cut as mentioned in another thread. I'm just wondering if it might go over my head and become too complex. The last time I did an edit it was 1 year from the time I started gathering footage until the edit was completed and burned to disc. I didn't work on it day in and day out. I spent a few months gathering....many months moving.....and two full months doing nothing but editing every night for hours until it was complete. This project would be more difficult. But allow for more creativity.

Also one thing I would want to have is a complete version (most likely a composite from many sources) of the original Jabba footage. And I don't think we have that in full. We have most of it but not every last bit.
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The Return of the Ewok version of Jabba is as good as you're gonna get.
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Great. I started downloading it. Thanks.
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If you want a feel of what the rough cut would have been like, watch Deleted Magic a few times, and if you could watch it on a really old TV that you can turn the color off, that will take you half way there.

So, two things to think about if you are going to do this:

1. Remember that the "Lost Cut" had only 30 to 40 percent different footage. Try to look at this in a glass is half full kind of way.

2. Also remember that there were two different rough cuts. The first was in July of '76 made by John Jympson. This is the famous rough cut of that Insider article. This one had no sound and was in black and white. It had very minimal effects and model work (likely none) from ILM. Also the scenes that were later on the shooting schedule (such as the scenes on the Tantive IV) were not filmed and were represented by a 'Scene Missing' card.

The second rough cut was the one George showed to his friends (like Speilberg and Coppola) and Fox executives. This version already had the Biggs and Anchorhead footage cut out. It had the early opening crawl. It also had temp music from other films and classical music as a temp score. WWII dogfight footage was here in this version, I don't know if this temp footage was in the first rough cut.

3. Remember that since many of your source materials aren't gonna be that great, you want to focus on content instead of quality. Since this is a rough cut, I think most viewers will understand.

Okay, three things. You get the idea.