Dek Rollins said:
I have also noticed that the epic force ghosts scene in ROTJ looks different in every version.
Check this screenshots:
From 4K83 DrReel Color Correction (4K83 1.6)
From Harmy Despecialized v2.5 (newest version), clearly looks more “blue”. Why?
From 97 Special Edition :Again there is a color change? Now looking more “grey”.
Which of this is the more similar to the way it was shown in ´83 cinema?
Most likely Despecialized 2.5 is the most accurate out of these three, followed by 4K83 1.6, or somewhere in between. For the original effects shots (as well as a chunk in the middle of the film that was out of focus on the Blu-ray) in DeEd 2.5, Harmy used a scan of a Low-fade 35mm print. These prints are very blue, and Harmy corrected the LPP shots to match the Blu-ray footage. 4K83 1.4 uses my own color correction which I based directly on an LPP scan made by TN1. I made the image warmer and wanted to diminish the blue push, but blue objects on screen still have a stronger blue tone, similar to that Despecialized shot. Though I don’t think it’s quite as saturated. It probably would have looked like that when projected back in the day.
I am still very confused. Because some people is saying Harmy is not much accurate to the authentic color because BR that is their main source is really far from te original colors but other people is saying BR is more accurate than 4K because it uses OCN as source. So… should be distinguish between being accurate to the way it was shown in theaters in 1983 and how the OCN looked?
Why do you think it would have that blue saturation when projected in theaters? I mean, if that blue saturation on Harmy comes from a Low-fade 35mm print and 4K83 comes from theatrical release prints, shouldn´t be 4K83 the most accurate to when it was released in 1983 theaters?
A Low-fade 35mm print is a theatrical release print. 4K83 is made from a 35mm show-print that was in very good condition and is only one extra generation away from the negative rather than three or four like a release print would be. The 4K83 print is not Low-fade stock and was faded red, which is why it needed extensive color correction in the first place.
Despecialized 2.5 sourced that shot from a Low-fade release print, which of course still had most of its color information intact because it’s Low-fade. The rest of the film may or may not be accurate, I don’t have it to compare, but I’m just talking about the force ghost shot that was being referenced. I’m sure Despecialized lacks accuracy in some scenes, in which case 1.6 would have more accurate color consistency.
I mention the stronger blues being more accurate because the majority of prints people saw would have been Low-fade positive prints (LPP), and every LPP people in this community have access to or have seen projected, have had strong blues. 4K83 1.6 looks very nice and, as I mentioned, retains accurate shot-to-shot consistency, but I don’t think it’s accurate to an unfaded projected print circa-1983. The colors in 1.6 are just a bit dull, and I feel it lacks both the warmth of warmer colors as well as lacking stronger blues. It’s not very colorful. There are scans of Kodak prints (not LPP) that haven’t faded very much, and they show similar color biases to 4K83 1.4 with my correction based on an LPP reference.
I’m not trying to toot my own horn, but in this case it’s a bit difficult. All the evidence I’ve seen points to 1.4 being the most accurate representation of the original color timing to date, though both 1.4 and 1.6 retain accurate color consistency. Of course which version of ROTJ you watch is entirely up to personal preference, but I’m talking about accuracy.
I hope none of that was confusing. 😃